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ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1020	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:25:00 - [1] - Quote Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and going Elitist, Elitist... burn the Elitist. Take one second to hear me out. Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because really is not.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 997	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:30:00 - [2] - Quote I <3 ReGnYuM. inb4haters.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1020	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:32:00 - [3] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I <3 ReGnYuM. inb4haters. Good Players Love me, and bad players mask their envy with Jealousy
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 273	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:34:00 - [4] - Quote Well im glad this isn't the usual troll thread you always put up, the game does need to be balanced around 2 full co-ordinated teams, I think everyone will agree on this.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1611	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:36:00 - [5] - Quote Let me know what role scouts play in PC...
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1022	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:40:00 - [6] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Let me know what role scouts play in PC... Try pushing the skyfire batterie objects with a fast shotgun scout. Not easy or super faster runner who gets a hack on a key objective
Alldin Kan TeamPlayers EoN. 672	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:41:00 - [7] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1022	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:43:00 - [8] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. Linky pls
Alldin Kan TeamPlayers EoN. 672	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:46:00 - [9] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1026	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:49:00 - [10] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus

Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 647	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:50:00 - [11] - Quote I can agree with this as PC is a point where both sides will bring their best equipment and tactics to play. But then again, a test server would also accomplish this as players can look for ways to break the game without worrying about losing money or messing with their stats.
Alldin Kan TeamPlayers EoN. 672	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:51:00 - [12] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus Current Sentinel bonus is ****, you got any better idea? I'm still not getting a unique feel on this class like the MAX suits on Planetside 2.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1341	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:02:00 - [13] - Quote Frankly if you hate him it doesnt matter because its right PC is the only place where organized teams/squads go at it with proto gear except vehicle users Currently in PC the common tactics are 1. FG on top of things, mainly the rings so they can shoot everything down 2. Mass drivers, mass driver everywhere 3. lolvehicles, no proto mods or vehicles only proto turrets against proto AV 4. M1 locus grenades, M1 locus grenades everywhere 5. Explosive spam as much as possible, aim less and spam more
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1081	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:05:00 - [14] - Quote Easy to agree with this - balancing should always be done at the highest level of team gameplay. Balancing on lower tiers of gameplay will always result in pathologies revealing themselves in higher tier gameplay and subsequently being exploited in the lower tiers.
DJINN Rampage Ancient Exiles 417	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:08:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. i agree, based on PC stats it is clear that A)Grenades need to be made so they cannot be resupplied. B)You be given the max amount of 2 grenades at the locus, 2 at the flux, and 4 at the AV. C)Mass Drivers be given a nerf to reload speed, as well as splash damage. D)Mass Drivers SHOULD NOT be affected by damage mods. there is a reason grenades don't have thier own damage mod. E)Forge guns, should be given a lock on time to vehicles of .2 second with a lowered reload time as well as more shots in the clip. F)The Assault scrambler rifle have a raised heat build up as it is impossible to over heat in one full clip of the ASC even if spraying constantly. equipped with two damage mods, this does as much damage to armor as a douvalle. G)Armor repair should be given a stacking penalty just like shield regulators.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1102	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:08:00 - [16] - Quote Elitist, Elitist, Burn the Elitist! Kick him in the nuts! Lol. Anyhoo that could work but they would have to keep buffing the plasma cannon until someone was brave enough to use it in a PC match. CCP could also use the data to see what suits and weapons are used most and which ones are avoided like the plague and attempt to find out why.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1140	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:31:00 - [17] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Let me know what role scouts play in PC... DJINN rampage is the only one who uses a scout in PC. i think. lol
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 647	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:37:00 - [18] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus Current Sentinel bonus is ****, you got any better idea? I'm still not getting a unique feel on this class like the MAX suits on Planetside 2. First CCP needs to define what their role is. They have said that they are supposed to be point defenders but nothing about their bonuses leans towards that other than a marginally higher EHP. Maybe bonuses should be tied to proximity to null cannons but be very very good in that case. Have them be teired Tier 1 - When not X meters from a null cannon (or some other point of defense) 2% resistance to handheld light weapons per level Tier 2 - When within X meters of defensive point 3% resistance to handheld light weapons fire per level 5% increase to scan radius and precision per level
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1167	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:38:00 - [19] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus Same here.
DJINN Rampage Ancient Exiles 418	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:45:00 - [20] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Let me know what role scouts play in PC... DJINN rampage is the only one who uses a scout in PC. i think. lol that would be DJINN Marauder and he preforms very well with it so long as he has an ace team to back him up. Roner General also does very good with his scout suit, two very different playstyles though.

Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 411	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:54:00 - [21] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. Did that hurt when you pulled this list out of your ass? God damn.
Alpha 443-6732 843 Boot Camp 141	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:03:00 - [22] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is in every situation, because it really is not. It should have been like this the whole time...
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 86	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:06:00 - [23] - Quote Been in plenty pc matches and weapons do not work differently in pc. They dont magicaly change going into pc match instead of a pub.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1029	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:12:00 - [24] - Quote Eyemakerwet wrote: Been in plenty pc matches and weapons do not work differently in pc. They dont magicaly change going into pc match instead of a pub. why do trash even bother posting my thread?
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 2003	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:12:00 - [25] - Quote What he's saying is when looking at numbers and compiling data, the stats acquired from pPC where everyone is running the best they have against each other, should be the foundation for balancing weapons and gear in this game. The damage of a weapon should be based on its efficiency vs proto, not vs random sh1TBUMS #s 361-594. and trust me alldins list is nothing. Pop quiz him on random statistics he will likely give u a precise answer
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 87	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:25:00 - [26] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Eyemakerwet wrote: Been in plenty pc matches and weapons do not work differently in pc. They dont magicaly change going into pc match instead of a pub. why do trash even bother posting my thread? I have one or two bad pc matches and im trash? Whateves. Just because u have better gg than me doesnt mean I dont understand weapon ballance. The ar we use today is nothing oike what it will be when the other rifles come out. I understand till they do they cant do anything to the weapon. But realy, think about it how does pc change anyting about a weapons performance. It doesnt!!! What does change is the framerate and lag. game performance in pc is garbage.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 649	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:31:00 - [27] - Quote Also, tournaments should be a good point for data as well as it will pit better and better teams against each other. The issues with using PUB matches for data is that there is no way to get rid of other possible variables that could be affecting the data. - SP level of opponents. Skill plays a big roll in the effectiveness of your gear. - Squads versus Randoms. Squads with mics and coordinated game play are always at an advantage over groups of randoms. They let each other know where enemies are, can effectively use scanners and usually travel together so you have instances where multiple people are engaging one target. - Variation in level of gear. You have people in militia, standard, advanced and even proto all at the same time and that isnt even speaking to the skill of the players. Does a very skilled player in standard gear taking out bad players using proto as a crutch mean that the game is balanced? What about guys who have proto gear but are terrible at fitting it? PC removes many of these variables from the equation and allows you to focus on the gear.
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:31:00 - [28] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is in every situation, because it really is not. I've never seen anyone use ascr in pc if I get on later I might try it....I agree with you but my point is they can't use eve logic then make it act completely different...blasters are short range high damage now if they wish to explain this other than being a holding weapon then I'm okay with it
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 997	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:39:00 - [29] - Quote Eyemakerwet wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Eyemakerwet wrote: Been in plenty pc matches and weapons do not work differently in pc. They dont magicaly change going into pc match instead of a pub. why do trash even bother posting my thread? I have one or two bad pc matches and im trash? Whateves. Just because u have better gg than me doesnt mean I dont understand weapon ballance. The ar we use today is nothing oike what it will be when the other rifles come out. I understand till they do they cant do anything to the weapon. But realy, think about it how does pc change anyting about a weapons performance. It doesnt!!! What does change is the framerate and lag. game performance in pc is garbage. It's not the weapons per se but the players and the tactics they use. Good players wait for a buddy to assist in the murder spree and also hide behind cover while firing. While the newberries run solo and fire prematurely and not in the best tactical position. Ideally if the game is balanced at the top end it will be balanced at the bottom end.
8213 Grade No.2 364	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:43:00 - [30] - Quote Some could argue that P/C is unbalanced because it is the platform for all of the DUST 514 exploits; taking advantage of the parts where the game is lopsided. Plus, what percentage of the playerbase plays P/C anymore?

Paran Tadec TeamPlayers EoN. 1399	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:48:00 - [31] - Quote if you ant to nerf a logi like that, remove equipment slots from all other suits. Then we can talk.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1036	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:48:00 - [32] - Quote 8213 wrote: Some could argue that P/C is unbalanced because it is the platform for all of the DUST 514 exploits; taking advantage of the parts where the game is lopsided. Plus, what percentage of the playerbase plays P/C anymore? 1. Yes exploits have been used in the past, but I believe because of PC they were dealt with faster and fixed. Flaylock Spam and Melee Glitch. PC is good at weeding out the exploits and fixing them. 2. The top players still play PC
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.10.13 16:37:00 - [33] - Quote yup totally agree +1
Elitist Ultima Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:12:00 - [34] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is in every situation, because it really is not. What was that?
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 421	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:14:00 - [35] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: I <3 ReGnYuM. inb4haters. Good Players Love me, and bad players mask their envy with Jealousy I hate everyone until i talk to them, I'd have no rivals if I didn't behave like a bit of a dik, so I guess I hate you, nothing personal Lol
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 421	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:16:00 - [36] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: 8213 wrote: Some could argue that P/C is unbalanced because it is the platform for all of the DUST 514 exploits; taking advantage of the parts where the game is lopsided. Plus, what percentage of the playerbase plays P/C anymore? 1. Yes exploits have been used in the past, but I believe because of PC they were dealt with faster and fixed. Flaylock Spam and Melee Glitch. PC is good at weeding out the exploits and fixing them. 2. The top players still play PC Agreed and you mean the ones who have the patience to deal with lag and don't mind getting blown up repeatedly lol
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 421	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:18:00 - [37] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. Did that hurt when you pulled this list out of your ass? God damn. I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6926	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:20:00 - [38] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Lmfao, would pay to see how bad that fit was
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:23:00 - [39] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly if you hate him it doesnt matter because its right PC is the only place where organized teams/squads go at it with proto gear except vehicle users Currently in PC the common tactics are 1. FG on top of things, mainly the rings so they can shoot everything down 2. Mass drivers, mass driver everywhere 3. lolvehicles, no proto mods or vehicles only proto turrets against proto AV 4. M1 locus grenades, M1 locus grenades everywhere 5. Explosive spam as much as possible, aim less and spam more Lol, you see less variety in PC that's for sure, but it is the best for testing everything at the highest level.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:24:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Lmfao, would pay to see how bad that fit was He had a scrambler rifle and was wrecking everyone actually

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6926	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:26:00 - [41] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Lmfao, would pay to see how bad that fit was He had a scrambler rifle and was wrecking everyone actually Sounds like he was just a monster then, scouts don't exactly have much room to fit things. Clearly a proto suit or else I just don't know anymore
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:26:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Lmfao, would pay to see how bad that fit was I wish I could remember the name but he played it so well, still stealthy like a scout headshotting everyone, ridiculous amount of armour.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:27:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Lmfao, would pay to see how bad that fit was He had a scrambler rifle and was wrecking everyone actually Sounds like he was just a monster then, scouts don't exactly have much room to fit things. Clearly a proto suit or else I just don't know anymore Proto gallente scout.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 672	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:27:00 - [44] - Quote I think introducing the other two ars would make a world of difference.
Cosgar ParagonX 5934	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:31:00 - [45] - Quote Remember when you used to get your ass kicked in Halo? That's why you don't. It's called accessability.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:33:00 - [46] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus Current Sentinel bonus is ****, you got any better idea? I'm still not getting a unique feel on this class like the MAX suits on Planetside 2. First CCP needs to define what their role is. They have said that they are supposed to be point defenders but nothing about their bonuses leans towards that other than a marginally higher EHP. Maybe bonuses should be tied to proximity to null cannons but be very very good in that case. Have them be teired Tier 1 - When not X meters from a null cannon (or some other point of defense) 2% resistance to handheld light weapons per level Tier 2 - When within X meters of defensive point 3% resistance to handheld light weapons fire per level 5% increase to scan radius and precision per level Maybe they could counter hack objectives really fast?
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:33:00 - [47] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Remember when you used to get your ass kicked in Halo? That's why you don't. It's called accessability. Damn, you are almost forum warrior level 6, I am jealous, that's a lot of thread dungeons raided
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:38:00 - [48] - Quote Aha, dust fiend he's mentioned on page 1, Roner general and another I know that plays like that is called zabousa something like that. My corpie x7 lion has adopted this style as well and can directly combat almost anyone with a shotgun.
Toyboi The Rainbow Effect 142	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:38:00 - [49] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is in every situation, because it really is not. cant aggre more with this! +1
Cosgar ParagonX 5935	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:42:00 - [50] - Quote Also, if te AR wasn't the best in all situations, we'd have more "nerf x" complaints. People didn't suddenly forget about niche weapons like MD and laser overnight. 1.4 was a huge buff to the AR.

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1204	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:55:00 - [51] - Quote This is something I've been saying for a while now. Dust has some very unbalanced mechanics and the only place that they're really blatant is in PC, because that is where the stakes are highest. So people figure out what the most broken and overpowered weapons and tactics are, and then abuse the hell out of them. Most people in my corp have stopped joining our PC matches because the broken mechanics make it not fun. Those mechanics still exist in FW and public matches, but people there are rarely aware or capable of exploiting them.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:06:00 - [52] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: This is something I've been saying for a while now. Dust has some very unbalanced mechanics and the only place that they're really blatant is in PC, because that is where the stakes are highest. So people figure out what the most broken and overpowered weapons and tactics are, and then abuse the hell out of them. Most people in my corp have stopped joining our PC matches because the broken mechanics make it not fun. Those mechanics still exist in FW and public matches, but people there are rarely aware or capable of exploiting them. Yes and that right there explains dusts competitive side. I was in a clan in halo2 and we abused the sht out of glitches in that game, now I'm older I don't feel I need to do that to win but I have seen that behaviour repeated in dust and its really pathetic, I used to think I was bad ass teleporting through walls and flying through the air in halo 2, now I realise how pathetic exploiting is and how it actually ruins the game. I'll give you a hint, the BEST corp in dust devoted themselves entirely to this, turbo modded controllers and all the op stuff now nerfed. They are not the best, just the most devoted exploiters who need that to win. They are gone now though, no doubt exploiting the fk out of another game or using the most obviously op sht but when it all gets fixed and balanced they move on, like parasites.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 415	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:12:00 - [53] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. if they forced logistics suits to have each equip slot loaded like they do vehicles with their turret slots. hp tanking logi suits wouldnt be a problem.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 422	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:16:00 - [54] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. if they forced logistics suits to have each equip slot loaded like they do vehicles with their turret slots. hp tanking logi suits wouldnt be a problem. I run all advanced equipment with breach ar and ishukone SMG, 1044 HP, actually slightly less as I swapped an extender for a sidearm damage mod, 682 armour, 289 shield
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 509	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:23:00 - [55] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Like scouts need a nerf. Yeah right. You see people tanking eHP on scout suits? It's because those things are dang near impossible to survive in. So what if im invisible on the scanner? If someone even LOOKS at me, they can track me. If a scout is seen from 50m out, it's game over unless you have some cover to run to.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:30:00 - [56] - Quote im just gong to put it out thre ,weapon balance in redundant in PC with majaroity your death will be from core grenades.
Cosgar ParagonX 5940	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:31:00 - [57] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. if they forced logistics suits to have each equip slot loaded like they do vehicles with their turret slots. hp tanking logi suits wouldnt be a problem. My proto suit has 4 equipment slots, but I only use 3 so I can use all proto equipment and this is with a standard AR.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2910	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:34:00 - [58] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is in every situation, because it really is not. ReGnYuM.... you know you scare the **** out of me.... and every Minmatar rebel in New Eden..... but PC is a joke. Boring as hell, Laggy as hell, and worst of all in Minmatar space....
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:06:00 - [59] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. i agree, based on PC stats it is clear that A)Grenades need to be made so they cannot be resupplied. B)You be given the max amount of 2 grenades at the locus, 2 at the flux, and 4 at the AV. C)Mass Drivers be given a nerf to reload speed, as well as splash damage. D)Mass Drivers SHOULD NOT be affected by damage mods. there is a reason grenades don't have thier own damage mod. E)Forge guns, should be given a lock on time to vehicles of .2 second with a lowered reload time as well as more shots in the clip. F)The Assault scrambler rifle have a raised heat build up as it is impossible to over heat in one full clip of the ASC even if spraying constantly. equipped with two damage mods, this does as much damage to armor as a douvalle. G)Armor repair should be given a stacking penalty just like shield regulators. Actually, damage mods should just be REMOVED. They make guns better than their intended niche is (or in the ar's case, at everything).
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 425	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:15:00 - [60] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I like all that except the logi is a medic, gtfo and you know it. Saw a scout with over 600hp yesterday, nerf those? Lol no. Like scouts need a nerf. Yeah right. You see people tanking eHP on scout suits? It's because those things are dang near impossible to survive in. So what if im invisible on the scanner? If someone even LOOKS at me, they can track me. If a scout is seen from 50m out, it's game over unless you have some cover to run to. Woah, I was mocking a scout nerf because of how a scout was playing in context to the bit about Logis tanking so much hp. Re read it.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1350	Posted - 2013.10.14 11:40:00 - [61] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly if you hate him it doesnt matter because its right PC is the only place where organized teams/squads go at it with proto gear except vehicle users Currently in PC the common tactics are 1. FG on top of things, mainly the rings so they can shoot everything down 2. Mass drivers, mass driver everywhere 3. lolvehicles, no proto mods or vehicles only proto turrets against proto AV 4. M1 locus grenades, M1 locus grenades everywhere 5. Explosive spam as much as possible, aim less and spam more Lol, you see less variety in PC that's for sure, but it is the best for testing everything at the highest level. But it also shows not just is wrong with the weapons but also the maps The maps we have are CQC based generally, tanks are meh you dont even have to bother with tanks even if you dont want to since they are not game changers You need heavys but explosive spam can neutrilize them, lazers are not used, AR are good but in CQC you lose to explosives spam and seem to be better than heavys lol etc Its whats most popular, the maps need to be more diverse so we see more weapons being used
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 768	Posted - 2013.10.14 12:20:00 - [62] - Quote Stats spread from everywhere, people use proto level items even in public matches, there is no need to select only the stats from PC, but they are interesting when you are looking at full proto vs full proto. BTW, when they balance a weapon i think they also look at the average of the stats of player using that weapon, it's a little too much complicated for using only a close system as PC.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1516	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:49:00 - [63] - Quote Well you get an idea of what is broken when you have an organized squad of 16 players spamming it.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 150	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:02:00 - [64] - Quote Making a comparison to another game here, but its relevant. In mechwarrior online, they dont balance on pubs (pugs as they call it) Why? It could be a vet testing an unfamiliar setup, a noob on his first game, or generally just trolls. What they balance on is conquest, if all they see for conquests is jenners with XL engines and medium lasers, guess what mech gets the hammer? If they balanced on pugs, then high level heavy frames would get nerfed allthe time. Missile boats would be nonexistent, and snipers wouldn't do damage.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1018	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:02:00 - [65] - Quote +1 I want stats that are from competent players, not some random jerkwad that doesn't use his reticle before complaining about **** being OP. +1 for Alldin too.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1208	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:04:00 - [66] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: I <3 ReGnYuM. inb4haters. Good Players Love me, and bad players mask their envy with Jealousy You have goods points, but you come off as an elitist all the time in my eyes, so whatever.....
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2284	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:13:00 - [67] - Quote They have to fix PC first or they are just balancing for lag and explosives would be nerfed hard.


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