DUST Search - Weapon Balance needs to be based on PC Stats

Alldin Kan wrote:

ReGnYuM wrote:

Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out.

As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation.

Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics.

Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not.

LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes:

New Breach AR/SMG stats:

Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO)
Breach AR RoF - 450
High Kick for Breach AR
Breach SMG RoF - 882.8
Breach SMG clip size - 62
Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG

New Logistics changes:

Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit)
CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change

New Grenade Stats:

All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2
Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically.
Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG
M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG
Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG

New stats for Ammar Commando:

Shield - 320 HP
Armor - 320 HP
Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s
CPU/PG would receive a slight increase
Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level

New Sentinel bonus:

3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level

Plasma Cannon Assault Variant:

Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC
Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m
Max. Ammo at 12
Charge time is .6 s

Plasma Cannon Normal Variant:

20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant
Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m
Charge time is 1 s

The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level.


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ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1020	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:25:00 - [1] - Quote Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and going Elitist, Elitist... burn the Elitist. Take one second to hear me out. Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because really is not.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1020	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:32:00 - [2] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I <3 ReGnYuM. inb4haters. Good Players Love me, and bad players mask their envy with Jealousy
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1022	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:40:00 - [3] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Let me know what role scouts play in PC... Try pushing the skyfire batterie objects with a fast shotgun scout. Not easy or super faster runner who gets a hack on a key objective
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1022	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Now before everybody starts foaming at the mouth and chanting: Elitist, Elitist, burn the Elitist. Take a second to hear me out. As we all know, the current public match finder is plagued with unbalanced variables. Team sizes, Gear, Lack of roles...etc. Therefore, why would anyone try to use data from such a broken system to balance anything. It would be like trying to build a skyscraper on a sandy foundation. Now no one is saying PC is perfect, but it is definitely more consistent than public matches. CCP I highly suggest that for weapon balance, you use PC statistics. Anyways, I wish people just tired PC before commenting how awesome the AR is every situation, because it really is not. LOL I'm still waiting on CCP to apply these changes: New Breach AR/SMG stats: Breach AR Damage - 63.7 HP (STD), 66.8 HP (ADV), 70.1 HP (PRO) Breach AR RoF - 450 High Kick for Breach AR Breach SMG RoF - 882.8 Breach SMG clip size - 62 Slightly Higher Kick for Breach SMG New Logistics changes: Slot layout has low count on all dropsuits to prevent high HP (it's a medic class not an Officer Assault suit) CPU/PG would be lowered to accommodate above change New Grenade Stats: All Grenade types except Fused will have Max. Ammo of 2 Grenades cannot be resupplied from Nanohives, this is to prevent spam and use it tactically. Fused Locus Grenade - 350 dmg, 2.5 splash radius, 9 CPU and 2 PG M2 Contact Locus Grenade - 400 dmg, 2.8 splash Radius, 18 CPU and 3 PG Thukker Contact Locus Grenade - 450 dmg, 3.0 splash radius, 48 CPU and 6 PG [Changes to contact grenades must be made together with "No resupply" change. New stats for Ammar Commando: Shield - 320 HP Armor - 320 HP Shield Recharge Rate - 17.0 HP/s CPU/PG would receive a slight increase Ammar Commando Bonus - 10% to efficacy of Shield/Armor Modules per level New Sentinel bonus: 3% to handheld weapon damage resistance per level Plasma Cannon Assault Variant: Same Splash Damage stats as the current PLC Base Splash Radius is 3.8 m Max. Ammo at 12 Charge time is .6 s Plasma Cannon Normal Variant: 20% higher Splash damage than the Assault Variant Base Splash Radius is 3.5 m Charge time is 1 s The operation skill for the Plasma Cannon weapon is to be replaced with 5% Splash Radius increase per level. Linky pls
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1026	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:49:00 - [5] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Linky pls Source: my head I agree with everything other than the sentient bonus
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1029	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:12:00 - [6] - Quote Eyemakerwet wrote: Been in plenty pc matches and weapons do not work differently in pc. They dont magicaly change going into pc match instead of a pub. why do trash even bother posting my thread?
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1036	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:48:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: Some could argue that P/C is unbalanced because it is the platform for all of the DUST 514 exploits; taking advantage of the parts where the game is lopsided. Plus, what percentage of the playerbase plays P/C anymore? 1. Yes exploits have been used in the past, but I believe because of PC they were dealt with faster and fixed. Flaylock Spam and Melee Glitch. PC is good at weeding out the exploits and fixing them. 2. The top players still play PC