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Mike Ruan
Pradox One
130
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:33:00 -
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You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. 
I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules.
edit: grammer |
Mass Heals
Subsonic Synthetics
76
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:34:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:
Actually, taking Subdreddits' district on PFC in that manner runs counter to the rules of PFC, and is illegal, however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours.
In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One.
Understood! Thank you for clearing things up for us. I hope to hear from Pradox One soon to resolve this. To whoever this concerns, please feel free to contact myself for any questions or comments. I'll be sure they reach the proper leaders within Subsonic. |
Mass Heals
Subsonic Synthetics
76
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:39:00 -
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Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar
Do you disagree with RevoL Frog ruling?
RevoL Frog wrote: "however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours.
In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One." |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers
EoN.
3092
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:39:00 -
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Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar
finally someone says it, Cubs does not get enough credit from the community. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1362
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:41:00 -
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Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar
True^ |
RevoL Frog
The Generals
EoN.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:46:00 -
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Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar
Mike Ruan, I believe I have done an exemplery job in breaking down the situation, and I believe I have come to a fair and unbiased conclusion of what is the right thing to do.
Furthermore, if you're looking for a worthy Corp for that District who can field a full team and breath new life into PC, then I believe Subsonic Synthetics are worthy of the label.
I urge you to return control of the district back to them, for they obtained control of it in a way that is not contrary to PFC rules. |
Gods Architect
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
691
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:51:00 -
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Mass Heals wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Question(?)
Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack?
I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution.
Welcome to PC. This isn't the first time a situation like this has occurred. Just bear with it. It's not a perfect system we created by any means but it has worked so far. Good luck and happy hunting |
Mass Heals
Subsonic Synthetics
76
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:57:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Mass Heals wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Question(?)
Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack?
I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution. Welcome to PC. This isn't the first time a situation like this has occurred. Just bear with it. It's not a perfect system we created by any means but it has worked so far. Good luck and happy hunting
Thanks man, I've played Eve before so I understand the process. Diplo problems am I right? |
Gods Architect
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
691
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Posted - 2013.10.10 07:02:00 -
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Mass Heals wrote:Gods Architect wrote:Mass Heals wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Question(?)
Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack?
I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution. Welcome to PC. This isn't the first time a situation like this has occurred. Just bear with it. It's not a perfect system we created by any means but it has worked so far. Good luck and happy hunting Thanks man, I've played Eve before so I understand the process. Diplo problems am I right?
More like non communication problems |
Darth Threatius
Subsonic Synthetics
6
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Posted - 2013.10.10 07:29:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:Darth Threatius wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing.
I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC.
Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC.
Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC.
I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set. Actually the position was taken on the forums and via CEO contact. The forums said AE would be taking over the Police role so why is Pradox stepping in? Furthermore talks with Southern Legion took place well before Pradoxx attacked. Funny how southern legion joined in on the attacks on Pradox side against subsonic. We took the proper channels to fix the situation. will just take another district. Please read until the end of the thread. My position has changed a bit. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. As far as policing PFC, AE are ultimately in control, but it was agreed upon by multpile members on PFC that it would be mutually enforced by those Corps on PFC.
Sorry for not reading the whole thread to the end. Regardless of the end results we can accept it whatever it may be. It just shocked the corp as a whole to see what happened after we did everything we could to avoid conflict. Again the fact that southern legion showed up in the battle alongside Pradox one just bent us all. |
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Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
658
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:08:00 -
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Glad to see things were resolved amicably. I do think it's important if you take unusual action on PFC, that you endeavor to announce it here. For instance, if Pradox didn't announce they were taking a corrective action, people might have assumed they were being a rule-breaker themselves.
In this TeamPlayers-less world, we'll all need to talk a bit more when we take action. |
Zombie Supreme
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
51
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:57:00 -
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Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules.
I have admired Cubs work on PFC, and I told him so on many occasions. During the FEC war, I fought to keep PFC off limits to attacks from the FEC. However, you are not Cubs.
You took a situation which was already dealt with, and did not require you to get involved. You, decided to name yourself in charge of policing PFC, even though neither injured party asked you to. You broke the rules of PFC yourself. Now you are rejecting other people thoughts on the matter and are going to do whatever you wanted to do in the first place.
NTM It seems the only person, that is not happy with Subsonic Synthesis getting their district back is you. |
Mike Ruan
Pradox One
133
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:18:00 -
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Too many cooks spoil the tacos.  |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers
EoN.
3109
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:23:00 -
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I am thee one and only approved taco chef.
If you want to learn to make tacos THE RIGHT WAY you must become my apprentice. |
RevoL Frog
The Generals
EoN.
187
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:27:00 -
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Zombie Supreme wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. I have admired Cubs work on PFC, and I told him so on many occasions. During the FEC war, I fought to keep PFC off limits to attacks from the FEC. However, you are not Cubs. You took a situation which was already dealt with, and did not require you to get involved. You, decided to name yourself in charge of policing PFC, even though neither injured party asked you to. You broke the rules of PFC yourself. Now you are rejecting other people thoughts on the matter and are going to do whatever you wanted to do in the first place. NTM It seems the only person, that is not happy with Subsonic Synthesis getting their district back is you.
Please, before making any further statements, give Pradox One time to resolve this issue in concordance with the will of the PFC community. We have spoken, and we have rendered a just verdict in this case.
They need to see the last few comments of the thread, respond, and hopefully accordingly.
Patience, good Sir. |
RevoL Frog
The Generals
EoN.
191
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:26:00 -
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Mass Heals wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar Do you disagree with RevoL Frog ruling? RevoL Frog wrote: "however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours.
In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One."
It is not my ruling. I am not a dictator.
Logic, and valid claims, dictate the conclusion. |
bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:58:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Small question, why did you help tsol then when we tried to take back our district?
they werd good games though.
Indeed they were :)
Dead Six is loving PFC we will take fights from all and everyone. we like to keep it friendly and 100% believe in the whole ethos of PFC.
I'd like to state publicly that we can also be counted on to help keep PFC as it is and defence our community if and when we are asked.
What ever your feelings towardsTP and EoN were in the past, you can not argue that PFC is really vital to indy corps like mine.
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davis fritz
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:54:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:Mass Heals wrote:Mike Ruan wrote:You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar Do you disagree with RevoL Frog ruling? RevoL Frog wrote: "however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours.
In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One." It is not my ruling. I am not a dictator. Logic, and valid claims, dictate the conclusion.
The situation is still not resolved |
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