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RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 164	Posted - 2013.10.09 07:29:00 - [1] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Darwinism yo. Edit: When did Paradox become the lolpolice? PFC should be looked upon as a DUST community Treasure, and as such, should be policed & protected by the community as a whole. It is my belief that the program should be expanded. Should there be regional planets for America, EU, and Asia? If there were, then the reinforcement timers would be more in tune than they currently are. In any case, I commend the Pradox One bros. Edit* Their->there(yes grammar ***) Edit #2 Apparently CCP doesn't like the word ****, so i'll go with Natzi instead.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:10:00 - [2] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: Original post updated, those interested in PFC district must be able to field a full team and agree to follow the rules of PFC, contact Mike Ruan. So Pradox is the police, I'd assume Gens are helping? If the situation warrants, then yes I'll commit my guys.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:21:00 - [3] - Quote MUSH com wrote: This is an extremely misunderstood action by everyone. Its crazy how everyone thinks we are dicks and assholes for this entire thing happening. Has anyone contacted me asking? No. You just assume. Did Subdreddit fight us THREE times legit? Yes. Did a corporation leave the planet? Yes. We were at that moment by sheer chance for that 2nd district and it was vacant. I don't understand why everyone is going crazy about this. We gave Subdreddit their district back and have spoke with EVERYONE involved but the most vocal people about it cant even contact the CEO OF THE CORPORATION IN SUBJECT. The people that know me here know I am cool and my entire corp is cool so stop treating us like a bunch of douche bags bc thats far from what we are. We just want to have a good time, be good sports, and have fun playing a game. Stop judging **** before u know what is going on! Thanks for clearing it up. I guess it's a good thing the situation was posted here on the forums where you had an opportunity to have your say in public view. This is a good thing. Also, I don't think you need be defensive about anything, because I don't believe anyone was necessarily calling you guys bad names, but I will admit that your Corp were made out to be the antagonists here in this scenario, but now that you've had your say, it's easy enough to reverse the image. I, for one, do not mind if you guys continue to hold the vacant PFC district, as long as you abide by the stated rules of PFC. Let the community decide!
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:22:00 - [4] - Quote Gods Architect wrote: MUSH com wrote: This is an extremely misunderstood action by everyone. Its crazy how everyone thinks we are dicks and assholes for this entire thing happening. Has anyone contacted me asking? No. You just assume. Did Subdreddit fight us THREE times legit? Yes. Did a corporation leave the planet? Yes. We were at that moment by sheer chance for that 2nd district and it was vacant. I don't understand why everyone is going crazy about this. We gave Subdreddit their district back and have spoke with EVERYONE involved but the most vocal people about it cant even contact the CEO OF THE CORPORATION IN SUBJECT. The people that know me here know I am cool and my entire corp is cool so stop treating us like a bunch of douche bags bc thats far from what we are. We just want to have a good time, be good sports, and have fun playing a game. Stop judging **** before u know what is going on! War? I hear the distant rumblings... ...yet, some are all to ready to see it all burn down.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:56:00 - [5] - Quote In the absence of an official statement on these forums from Subsonic Synthesis, and with prior notification against the subject Corp of the perceived abuse, and of the action to be taken to rectify the situation, I stand by Pradox One in their prior judgement, and claim them to be justified in their actions. However, in light of the recent statement from the Subsonic Synthesis Representative, It is, in fact, admitted that they were wrong in taking a District from a member Corp by way of 3 consecutive attacks, but have since righted their wrong, and have returned control back to its rightful owner, and for this they are exhonerated. In speaking of the vacant lot they came upon, and unless there is evidence to the contrary, it is my estimation that they are now the rightful owners of that district by way of the PFC Homesteading Act of 4078. The matter is settled, and the attack from Pradox One against Subsonic Synthesis shall commence as a normal PFC battle. In the end, let the situation be a lesson to all, that recourse for interlopers will be swift as demonstrated.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:58:00 - [6] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I think we should return the district, unless I'm mistaken, you didn't know the rules of PFC. But if you did and still took subdreddit's (Not sure if I spelled that right) district, then I believe Mike was just in taking the district. But If I read correctly, you didn't. Alas, this is not my call to make, though, I am but a simple knight. Did you guys take the District from Subsonic Synthesis?
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:10:00 - [7] - Quote Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:14:00 - [8] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: Pradox 1. Now you own two districts, you attacked without letting the planet go back on -line, you did not fight with your own corp. What a joke you are. How is subredit more worthy when we beat them 3 games in a row? Maybe someone will police you... Pradox will distribute the District to another Corp. PFC is a training ground for Corps to polish their srategies, and give newer players a chance to particpate and get up to speed. On a different night, with different players on, Subdreddit may have been more than capable of defending the district from being taken.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:22:00 - [9] - Quote New evidence emerges! Reading now... please hold.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:34:00 - [10] - Quote Ok. Let the facts fall as they may... That thread dates to 10/5, and this thread was created on 10/9. Weighing all the evidence presented, Subdreddit should have control of one of the districts, and Southern Legion should have control over the other. In the end, we should all concentarte on setting things right, and that is the only thing that really matters; Pride is secondary. I urge Pradox One to return control of the captured district to The Southern Legion. I also urge Subsonic Synthetics to get there name on the list for a PFC district. Furthermore, I urge the community to consider expanding PFC to include another planet so other interested Corps may have a legitimate chance of participating in full team battles without the necessity of contesting the big dawgs.

RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:39:00 - [11] - Quote Question(?) Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack? I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 179	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:53:00 - [12] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Ok. Let the facts fall as they may... That thread dates to 10/5, and this thread was created on 10/9. Weighing all the evidence presented, Subdreddit should have control of one of the districts, and Southern Legion should have control over the other. In the end, we should all concentarte on setting things right, and that is the only thing that really matters; Pride is secondary. I urge Pradox One to return control of the captured district to The Southern Legion. I also urge Subsonic Synthetics to get their name on the list for a PFC district. Furthermore, I urge the community to consider expanding PFC to include another planet so other interested Corps may have a legitimate chance of participating in full team battles without the necessity of contesting the big dawgs. Actually, I made a mistake in comprehending the facts laid down by Zombie. There was no agreement between Subsonic Synthetics and The Southern Legion to return the vacant lot back to TSOL, so it seems as though that district is, in fact, rightfully belonging to Subsonic Synthetics. As the evidence itself testifies to, the transgression by Subsonic Synthetics onto Subdreddit has been remedied, and no punishment was necessary. Sorry to ruin your fun Pradox One bros, but what's right is right. I revise my assessment, and urge Pradox One to return control of the district back to Subsonic Synthetics.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 179	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:57:00 - [13] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I would like to propose another rule. Corps with 4+ districts shouldn't be on pfc. If a corp can take a bunch of districts then they don't need the training. This will help older corps move on from pfc and let new ones in. as it stands, there is not really much incentive for a corp to say "okay we have evolved, lets move on and give another new corp a chance. " We ceded control of our PFC district to The Generals BC, but in any case, we'd have just made your proposed cut
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:04:00 - [14] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set. Actually the position was taken on the forums and via CEO contact. The forums said AE would be taking over the Police role so why is Pradox stepping in? Furthermore talks with Southern Legion took place well before Pradoxx attacked. Funny how southern legion joined in on the attacks on Pradox side against subsonic. We took the proper channels to fix the situation. will just take another district. Please read until the end of the thread. My position has changed a bit. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. As far as policing PFC, AE are ultimately in control, but it was agreed upon by multpile members on PFC that it would be mutually enforced by those Corps on PFC.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:24:00 - [15] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: Question(?) Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack? I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution. Actually, taking Subdreddits' district on PFC in that manner runs counter to the rules of PFC, and is illegal, however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours. In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 183	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:46:00 - [16] - Quote Mike Ruan wrote: You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar Mike Ruan, I believe I have done an exemplery job in breaking down the situation, and I believe I have come to a fair and unbiased conclusion of what is the right thing to do. Furthermore, if you're looking for a worthy Corp for that District who can field a full team and breath new life into PC, then I believe Subsonic Synthetics are worthy of the label. I urge you to return control of the district back to them, for they obtained control of it in a way that is not contrary to PFC rules.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 187	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:27:00 - [17] - Quote Zombie Supreme wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. I have admired Cubs work on PFC, and I told him so on many occasions. During the FEC war, I fought to keep PFC off limits to attacks from the FEC. However, you are not Cubs. You took a situation which was already dealt with, and did not require you to get involved. You, decided to name yourself in charge of policing PFC, even though neither injured party asked you to. You broke the rules of PFC yourself. Now you are rejecting other people thoughts on the matter and are going to do whatever you wanted to do in the first place. NTM It seems the only person, that is not happy with Subsonic Synthesis getting their district back is you. Please, before making any further statements, give Pradox One time to resolve this issue in concordance with the will of the PFC community. We have spoken, and we have rendered a just verdict in this case. They need to see the last few comments of the thread, respond, and hopefully accordingly. Patience, good Sir.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 191	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:26:00 - [18] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: You see how hard Cubs worked to keep PFC in order? Hate him or not, everyone should respect him and send him a thank you note with some ISK. I am sorry but it seems whatever I do, I will, not make everyone happy so I will continue with my originally stated solution and find a new owner in the fashion TeamPlayers found us. We will get new blood into PFC and sit down with them and tell 'em the rules. edit: grammar Do you disagree with RevoL Frog ruling? RevoL Frog wrote: "however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours. In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One." It is not my ruling. I am not a dictator. Logic, and valid claims, dictate the conclusion.