DUST Search - Pradox One declares Subsonic in violation of PFC rules.

Darth Threatius wrote:

RevoL Frog wrote:

Mike Ruan wrote:

Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing.

I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC.

Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC.

Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC.

I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well.

Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list.

Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may.

There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set.

Actually the position was taken on the forums and via CEO contact. The forums said AE would be taking over the Police role so why is Pradox stepping in? Furthermore talks with Southern Legion took place well before Pradoxx attacked. Funny how southern legion joined in on the attacks on Pradox side against subsonic. We took the proper channels to fix the situation. will just take another district.

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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1361	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:21:00 - [31] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: Original post updated, those interested in PFC district must be able to field a full team and agree to follow the rules of PFC, contact Mike Ruan. So Pradox is the police, I'd assume Gens are helping? If the situation warrants, then yes I'll commit my guys. I'll commit some assistance if needed, but in a more covert manner...
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:22:00 - [32] - Quote Gods Architect wrote: MUSH com wrote: This is an extremely misunderstood action by everyone. Its crazy how everyone thinks we are dicks and assholes for this entire thing happening. Has anyone contacted me asking? No. You just assume. Did Subdreddit fight us THREE times legit? Yes. Did a corporation leave the planet? Yes. We were at that moment by sheer chance for that 2nd district and it was vacant. I don't understand why everyone is going crazy about this. We gave Subdreddit their district back and have spoke with EVERYONE involved but the most vocal people about it cant even contact the CEO OF THE CORPORATION IN SUBJECT. The people that know me here know I am cool and my entire corp is cool so stop treating us like a bunch of douche bags bc thats far from what we are. We just want to have a good time, be good sports, and have fun playing a game. Stop judging **** before u know what is going on! War? I hear the distant rumblings... ...yet, some are all to ready to see it all burn down.
Arirana Ancient Exiles 159	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:23:00 - [33] - Quote MUSH com wrote: This is an extremely misunderstood action by everyone. Its crazy how everyone thinks we are dicks and assholes for this entire thing happening. Has anyone contacted me asking? No. You just assume. Did Subdreddit fight us THREE times legit? Yes. Did a corporation leave the planet? Yes. We were at that moment by sheer chance for that 2nd district and it was vacant. I don't understand why everyone is going crazy about this. We gave Subdreddit their district back and have spoke with EVERYONE involved but the most vocal people about it cant even contact the CEO OF THE CORPORATION IN SUBJECT. The people that know me here know I am cool and my entire corp is cool so stop treating us like a bunch of douche bags bc thats far from what we are. We just want to have a good time, be good sports, and have fun playing a game. Stop judging **** before u know what is going on! If you were that worried about being judged then maybe you should have made a public announcement explaining the situation. I think you will come to regret telling everyone to come to you before assuming anything. Getting 200 mails to sort through and reply with the same answer over and over again is fun and all, but maybe with a touchy subject as breaking rules you should have made the announcement instead of waiting until people had only the choice to assume or spam your inbox. Everyone involved would include everyone participating in PFC, so no, you didn't speak to everyone. Clearly because someone involved in PFC was ready to distribute some spanks. They even took the precautions that you failed to take and notified the community before doing so. It's not mandatory, but if you don't want to be viewed as a perpetrator then I'd suggest you take the time to explain what's happened rather than assume everyone will mind their own business. Of course if you do, then by all means take land and tell no one why you did. That's how I wanted it to play out anyway :/
Gods Architect Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 687	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:34:00 - [34] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Gods Architect wrote: MUSH com wrote: This is an extremely misunderstood action by everyone. Its crazy how everyone thinks we are dicks and assholes for this entire thing happening. Has anyone contacted me asking? No. You just assume. Did Subdreddit fight us THREE times legit? Yes. Did a corporation leave the planet? Yes. We were at that moment by sheer chance for that 2nd district and it was vacant. I don't understand why everyone is going crazy about this. We gave Subdreddit their district back and have spoke with EVERYONE involved but the most vocal people about it cant even contact the CEO OF THE CORPORATION IN SUBJECT. The people that know me here know I am cool and my entire corp is cool so stop treating us like a bunch of douche bags bc thats far from what we are. We just want to have a good time, be good sports, and have fun playing a game. Stop judging **** before u know what is going on! War? I hear the distant rumblings... ...yet, some are all to ready to see it all burn down. I'm ready, just set the fires.
Derrith Erador Pradox One 209	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:43:00 - [35] - Quote Honestly, I think we should return the district, unless I'm mistaken, you didn't know the rules of PFC. But if you did and still took subdreddit's (Not sure if I spelled that right) district, then I believe Mike was just in taking the district. But If I read correctly, you didn't. Alas, this is not my call to make, though, I am but a simple knight.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:56:00 - [36] - Quote In the absence of an official statement on these forums from Subsonic Synthesis, and with prior notification against the subject Corp of the perceived abuse, and of the action to be taken to rectify the situation, I stand by Pradox One in their prior judgement, and claim them to be justified in their actions. However, in light of the recent statement from the Subsonic Synthesis Representative, It is, in fact, admitted that they were wrong in taking a District from a member Corp by way of 3 consecutive attacks, but have since righted their wrong, and have returned control back to its rightful owner, and for this they are exhonerated. In speaking of the vacant lot they came upon, and unless there is evidence to the contrary, it is my estimation that they are now the rightful owners of that district by way of the PFC Homesteading Act of 4078. The matter is settled, and the attack from Pradox One against Subsonic Synthesis shall commence as a normal PFC battle. In the end, let the situation be a lesson to all, that recourse for interlopers will be swift as demonstrated.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:58:00 - [37] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I think we should return the district, unless I'm mistaken, you didn't know the rules of PFC. But if you did and still took subdreddit's (Not sure if I spelled that right) district, then I believe Mike was just in taking the district. But If I read correctly, you didn't. Alas, this is not my call to make, though, I am but a simple knight. Did you guys take the District from Subsonic Synthesis?
MoonEagle A ShootBreakStab 46	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:59:00 - [38] - Quote Having played with Subsonic for a couple of months now I can tell you they did not know. They are new to PC and did try to make things right. They are good guys and deserve a second chance.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 3083	Posted - 2013.10.10 04:29:00 - [39] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I think we should return the district, unless I'm mistaken, you didn't know the rules of PFC. But if you did and still took subdreddit's (Not sure if I spelled that right) district, then I believe Mike was just in taking the district. But If I read correctly, you didn't. Alas, this is not my call to make, though, I am but a simple knight. Did you guys take the District from Subsonic Synthetics? *edit- Spelling of Corp name. they did
Mass Heals Subsonic Synthetics 72	Posted - 2013.10.10 04:33:00 - [40] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Honestly, I think we should return the district, unless I'm mistaken, you didn't know the rules of PFC. But if you did and still took subdreddit's (Not sure if I spelled that right) district, then I believe Mike was just in taking the district. But If I read correctly, you didn't. Alas, this is not my call to make, though, I am but a simple knight. Did you guys take the District from Subsonic Synthetics? *edit- Spelling of Corp name. The district has been taking. Before the attack from Pradox One, we were in talks in delivering the district back to subdreddit after our legal attack on their district due to a misunderstanding of PFC rules. But what's done is done, so let's use this as an opportunity for better communication when dealing with a violation of the PFC rules. This could have been handled with less bloodshed. But that's stupid :) Good battle pradox, we had fun and learn every time we fight. It won't be the last you see of us.

Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthetics 5	Posted - 2013.10.10 04:44:00 - [41] - Quote Pradox 1. Now you own two districts, you attacked without letting the planet go back on -line, you did not fight with your own corp. What a joke you are. How is subredit more worthy when we beat them 3 games in a row? Maybe someone will police you...
Mike Ruan Pradox One 129	Posted - 2013.10.10 04:52:00 - [42] - Quote Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:10:00 - [43] - Quote Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:14:00 - [44] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: Pradox 1. Now you own two districts, you attacked without letting the planet go back on -line, you did not fight with your own corp. What a joke you are. How is subredit more worthy when we beat them 3 games in a row? Maybe someone will police you... Pradox will distribute the District to another Corp. PFC is a training ground for Corps to polish their srategies, and give newer players a chance to particpate and get up to speed. On a different night, with different players on, Subdreddit may have been more than capable of defending the district from being taken.
Zombie Supreme Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:15:00 - [45] - Quote Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. No rules were violated, by Subsonic Synthesis. I explained everything to you today, personally in mail. I made a previous post that inquired about this matter and cleared it up about a week ago. That is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113907&find=unread "The Loathing" from TSOLE has even posted a statement further backing up what I have just said, located at the end of the link above. There may be people on PFC that are in violation of the rules, but this is not an example of one. Facts are the day after Subsonic Synthesis got the district from Subdreddit. I personally contacted both parties, and the district was already on it's way to being returned to Subdreddit, before I even checked up on it. Neither parties were disgruntled, and both had agreed to remedy the problem. There was no need for anyone to step in The district Pradox 1 took from Subsonic Synthesis needs to be returned to them. No rules were violated.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:22:00 - [46] - Quote New evidence emerges! Reading now... please hold.
Zombie Supreme Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 50	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:34:00 - [47] - Quote Also if you want to quote rules Mike here is one from Cubs himself. "7a) Attacks can be auto re-upped and all(see note) districts should be converted to Cargo hubs. 150 clone MAX for any attack.. if you cant kill 51 clones in 2 matches, then honestly, you don't deserve to have a district NOTE hubs are not a requirement, but recommended for low tier corps." This rule Pardox One both violated and also proves Subsonic Synthesis innocence. You already posted the link for this rule in the OP but I will repost it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99858&find=unread The original rules for fight club are general guidelines. Ones that need to change, and when the do they need to be made known to all that have districts on PFC, before they can be enforced by the community. It has been made obvious in posts, outside this thread, that some parties want to see PFC burn, just because they are bored. But PFC is one of the few GOOD player made things to come out of this game. If you like PFC Don't let the trolls burn PFC.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:34:00 - [48] - Quote Ok. Let the facts fall as they may... That thread dates to 10/5, and this thread was created on 10/9. Weighing all the evidence presented, Subdreddit should have control of one of the districts, and Southern Legion should have control over the other. In the end, we should all concentarte on setting things right, and that is the only thing that really matters; Pride is secondary. I urge Pradox One to return control of the captured district to The Southern Legion. I also urge Subsonic Synthetics to get there name on the list for a PFC district. Furthermore, I urge the community to consider expanding PFC to include another planet so other interested Corps may have a legitimate chance of participating in full team battles without the necessity of contesting the big dawgs.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 177	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:39:00 - [49] - Quote Question(?) Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack? I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 3085	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:41:00 - [50] - Quote I would like to propose another rule. Corps with 4+ districts shouldn't be on pfc. If a corp can take a bunch of districts then they don't need the training. This will help older corps move on from pfc and let new ones in. as it stands, there is not really much incentive for a corp to say "okay we have evolved, lets move on and give another new corp a chance. "

RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 179	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:53:00 - [51] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Ok. Let the facts fall as they may... That thread dates to 10/5, and this thread was created on 10/9. Weighing all the evidence presented, Subdreddit should have control of one of the districts, and Southern Legion should have control over the other. In the end, we should all concentarte on setting things right, and that is the only thing that really matters; Pride is secondary. I urge Pradox One to return control of the captured district to The Southern Legion. I also urge Subsonic Synthetics to get their name on the list for a PFC district. Furthermore, I urge the community to consider expanding PFC to include another planet so other interested Corps may have a legitimate chance of participating in full team battles without the necessity of contesting the big dawgs. Actually, I made a mistake in comprehending the facts laid down by Zombie. There was no agreement between Subsonic Synthetics and The Southern Legion to return the vacant lot back to TSOL, so it seems as though that district is, in fact, rightfully belonging to Subsonic Synthetics. As the evidence itself testifies to, the transgression by Subsonic Synthetics onto Subdreddit has been remedied, and no punishment was necessary. Sorry to ruin your fun Pradox One bros, but what's right is right. I revise my assessment, and urge Pradox One to return control of the district back to Subsonic Synthetics.
Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthetics 5	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:55:00 - [52] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set. Actually the position was taken on the forums and via CEO contact. The forums said AE would be taking over the Police role so why is Pradox stepping in? Furthermore talks with Southern Legion took place well before Pradoxx attacked. Funny how southern legion joined in on the attacks on Pradox side against subsonic. We took the proper channels to fix the situation. will just take another district.
Zombie Supreme Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:56:00 - [53] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I would like to propose another rule. Corps with 4+ districts shouldn't be on pfc. If a corp can take a bunch of districts then they don't need the training. This will help older corps move on from pfc and let new ones in. as it stands, there is not really much incentive for a corp to say "okay we have evolved, lets move on and give another new corp a chance. " Personally when I attack only use PFC to train my new players. Those battles are open to all members of Molon, not just those PC qualified. Making a rule like that would really complicate things, NTM clear nearly half of PFC ATM. I see PFC as place for training and a neutral place to fight someone without starting a war over it. I guess the most important question would be how many corps are out there that want to, can, and are willing to field a 16 man team up to 3 times a week, that are not already on PFC? Also when a noob fights a noob does anybody really learn anything?
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 179	Posted - 2013.10.10 05:57:00 - [54] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I would like to propose another rule. Corps with 4+ districts shouldn't be on pfc. If a corp can take a bunch of districts then they don't need the training. This will help older corps move on from pfc and let new ones in. as it stands, there is not really much incentive for a corp to say "okay we have evolved, lets move on and give another new corp a chance. " We ceded control of our PFC district to The Generals BC, but in any case, we'd have just made your proposed cut
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:04:00 - [55] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: Mike Ruan wrote: Sorry but Derrith is not a political officer for Pradox One and I did not check the forums to see what others were discussing. I personally feel that those who violate the rules should get in the back of the waiting list. Pradox will evaluate and give this district to a corporation in the same manner TeamPlayers once did, when Pradox One first arrived on PFC. Good guys or not, Subsonic violated the rules, wait for the next opening bros. Subsonic is not the only one who wants a district on PFC. Pradox One, will be searching for a worthy new resident for PFC. I also feel that this is a justified position to take as well. Subsonic violated PFC rules, albeit unknowingly, but nevetheless they did, and as repercussion the vacant district that they rightfully claimed as their own is now taken and will be distributed to the next Corp on the waiting list. Sorry Subsonic bros, but the chips have fallen as they may. There was one of two ways that this could have played out, and I firmly believe had you taken to the forums sooner you would still be in control of the vacant lot, and a simple apology to Subdreddit with the return of their district would have been enough, but the motion to proceed on the recapture was already set. Actually the position was taken on the forums and via CEO contact. The forums said AE would be taking over the Police role so why is Pradox stepping in? Furthermore talks with Southern Legion took place well before Pradoxx attacked. Funny how southern legion joined in on the attacks on Pradox side against subsonic. We took the proper channels to fix the situation. will just take another district. Please read until the end of the thread. My position has changed a bit. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. As far as policing PFC, AE are ultimately in control, but it was agreed upon by multpile members on PFC that it would be mutually enforced by those Corps on PFC.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 3088	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:11:00 - [56] - Quote a mutually enforced pfc will not work until multiple pfc corps actually get together and talk out how this is going to work. AE has not been very vocal about this. If AE does not want to police and settle this matter then it is up to the pfc community. A clear chain of command has to be established.
Mass Heals Subsonic Synthetics 73	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:13:00 - [57] - Quote RevoL Frog wrote: Question(?) Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack? I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 3089	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:23:00 - [58] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. The war room is fun but if your going to be active in pc, it is also good to stay informed in whats actually going on in New Eden.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:24:00 - [59] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: RevoL Frog wrote: Question(?) Was the capture of Subdreddits district by Subsonic Synthetics done in one night by a clone pack? I'm just curious. I don't think the answer has any effect on whether control of the district should be changed, because Subsonic Synthetics already agreed to return it. No, we captured Subdreddit's district after 3 continuous attacks on separate nights using clone packs. We "claimed" southern legion district when we saw it open after the first night of attacks. Once contacted by southern, who explained our actions that "might" have violated PFC rules. We continued to take subdreddit's district as it was a LEGAL attack. We were not sure if we were going to keep the district 4( southern legion's). We proceed to give subdreddit their district back once we understood we were allowed only 1 district. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, our taking of district 4 was a mistake on southern legions fault, not our own. (while I can't speak for all of subsonic's leadership) I believe we are at fault for not addressing the forums quickly enough. Although, whether or not pradox 1 attack on us was justified, a simple meeting between both corps would have solved this WAY easier. We are very easy going, mature, and eager group of people who should have been given the benefit of doubt instead being attacked without any diplomatic resolution. Actually, taking Subdreddits' district on PFC in that manner runs counter to the rules of PFC, and is illegal, however, taking a vacant district is a completely legal move, and barring an agreement between you guys and TSOL, that district is rightfully yours. In the end, you returned the illegally obtained property, as should Pradox One.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 3092	Posted - 2013.10.10 06:32:00 - [60] - Quote Zombie Supreme wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I would like to propose another rule. Corps with 4+ districts shouldn't be on pfc. If a corp can take a bunch of districts then they don't need the training. This will help older corps move on from pfc and let new ones in. as it stands, there is not really much incentive for a corp to say "okay we have evolved, lets move on and give another new corp a chance. " Personally when I attack only use PFC to train my new players. Those battles are open to all members of Molon, not just those PC qualified. Making a rule like that would really complicate things, NTM clear nearly half of PFC ATM. I see PFC as place for training and a neutral place to fight someone without starting a war over it. I guess the most important question would be how many corps are out there that want to, can, and are willing to field a 16 man team up to 3 times a week, that are not already on PFC? Also when a noob fights a noob does anybody really learn anything? Well I knew some people were going to have a problem with my proposal because no one wants to lose a district. However... Already established corps with multiple districts with a proven record of being successful in pc and taking districts and defending them... Well they are already making clones, They are already earning income. These corps can still attack pfc districts and train their new guys. New corps with no districts do not have this luxury. They have to tax and wait and wait until they earn enough money for a clone pack and clone packs suck. 120 clones vs 150+? Clone packs should have 150 to make it like a normal skirmish. But those are CCP's ****** rules.. So long story short Older corps can still train their new guys in pfc even without a pfc district.... What pc needs is new blood. I am just stating what I personally think is best for the community not what is best for individual corps. I am not trying to pick favorites.



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