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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:34:00 -
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I'd agree that the SCR is not OP.
This doesn't mean that I haven't had regular occasion to curse its existence when I get my scout-running butt unexpectedly blapped off by one, or heard the cursing of Heavy-running teammates who've just received a charged shot from an Imperial right to the forehead.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: the clearest sign that something in this game is OP is that really unreasonable numbers of people start using it. Examples: the pre-nerf flaylock, the pre-nerf TAR, the Chromosome laser rifle. I do not yet see more SCR than assault rifles, even in the hands of high-end teams, and they're the same general class of weapon.
The reasons are obvious to anyone who's tried them out and decided to go for something that's not quite so costly when you miss that amazingly high-damage alpha strike. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
45
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:37:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:bamboo x wrote:
The only other advanced weapons that can OHKO you like that are Forge, Plasma cannon, and Sniper. And they all have a balance between power and drawbacks.
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List a few more Shotgun, Scrambler Pistol, and Nova Knives I feel bad for you if you've been OHKOed by a scrambler pistol, bro.
Got scrambler problems? I feel bad for you son , I got 99 problems but a scrambler ant one.  |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
210
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:44:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:I don't see how overheat should even be an issue. If you're doing it right, like most of the Scrambler guys I see, they are covering a point from long to mid-range, and if you get close it's not even going to overheat if there's only YOU VS HIM before he kills you. I'm not talking about like, shooting a bunch of people at once with the Scrambler. Of course if you're pinned down you need to take cover so you don't overheat/die/have to reload. Just like with ANY weapon.
You guys are stupid. I'm not even going to reply to this thread anymore because it's flooded with Scrambler loving butthurt trolls who probably support the Amarr.
Says the AR loving butthurt troll who probably supports... wait why does it matter which empire we support again? |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
299
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:54:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:To find the DPS of a weapon You take Fire rate and divide by 60
then take that number and multiply by The damage of said gun.
Go do it for every gun in the game and Then tell me which gun has the highest dps in the game other than a sniper rifle(Absolutely no skills included)
If you can prove me wrong I will personally give you 60 million isk
And the guy who said math is useless is very stupid.
Edit:
In fact tomorrow i am going to do the DPS of ever single weapon in the game and post here just so you all can see it.
(Most of you are too stupid to do it anyways)
LIGHT WEAPONS:
The Plasma Cannon has the highest DPS for light weapons and is capable of OHK, but is the hardest to use.
The Placon is followed by the Laser Rifle and ScR, which are the second and third hardest light weapons to use.
SIDEARMS:
Nova Knife has the most DPS of all the sidearms and is capable of OHK, but is the hardest one to use.
The Knife is followed by the Scramble Pistol Headshot, which is the second hardest to use.
Do you see a pattern?
Edit: 60 million isk please. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2177
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:11:00 -
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This thread needs to die |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
342
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:19:00 -
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Scr should blow up after one shot ohk ing the user and if the shot hits the enemy it should heal them fully. |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
8
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:26:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:This thread needs to die
+1
Pocket Rocket GIrl wrote:Got scrambler problems? I feel bad for you son , I got 99 problems but a scrambler ant one. Lol
You go girl!  |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
211
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:53:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:There's no excuse for an advanced scrambler rifle OHKOing an advanced logi suit with advanced shields and armor. Here I am, I've invested just as much SP as they have, and it makes my GEK look like a piece of trash. Facts
- It's too accurate to be so powerful
- It's way better than all the other light weapons
- A fully charged headshot from an advanced scrambler rifle tore through 100 shields and 500 armor with one hit.
Scrambler rifle does well over 900 DPS A heavy machine gun has Less than 500 DPS Mass drivers have 200- 300 DPS Assault rifles have Around 500 DPS The submachine gun does 350 to 450 DPS
Your facts are misinformed, as mentioned somewhere in this post Scrambler Rifle does a large amount of ALPHA DAMAGE, it is a single shot weapon capped by how fast a human can tap the trigger. An AR is a DPS weapon because it can spew out its 60 bullets with CONTINUOS FIRE.
Seriously dude why you trying to nerf **** left and right, the ARs have been and still are powerful and are the most used weapon for the elite players in Dust, the SR is a powerful weapon that rewards skilled players. Why dont you use your efforts to get better at the game and learn to counter particular weapons and strategies, or again as I said skill into the scrambler rifles if you think it is so powerful
HMGs, MDs, ARs, SMGs, Sniper Rifles have no problem ******* up my suit daily but if you're stupid enough to stand still, not use cover and run in the open when players like me are around I WILL gun you down with my Scrambler Rifle and it will hurt.
Please, just try to adapt |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1110
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:13:00 -
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Again, if you can spam r1 11 times a second, then it has 900 DPS.
However, very rarely can somebody do that.
In truth, 6-7 shots a second is the max most can do, giving it a DPS around 400. That's assuming NOTHING misses
It two shots misses, then it's only around 300, and then you have OH, and now the other guy kills you as you can not shoot or melee or run |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
630
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:25:00 -
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If you die quickly to an SCR then you were either ambushed or are standing still.
Hint - Random strafing is your friend.
The SCR will not be nerfed. Want to know why? ---- Mass Driver. With all the QQ that it received, it has not been nerfed. People just had to learn what its strengths and weaknesses were.
Hint 2 - Stop standing there and going toe-2-toe and relying on your EHP and DPS to save you. |
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Jacques Cayton II
Caldari Protectorate United
41
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:28:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:There's no excuse for an advanced scrambler rifle OHKOing an advanced logi suit with advanced shields and armor. Here I am, I've invested just as much SP as they have, and it makes my GEK look like a piece of trash. Facts
- It's too accurate to be so powerful
- It's way better than all the other light weapons
- A fully charged headshot from an advanced scrambler rifle tore through 100 shields and 500 armor with one hit.
Scrambler rifle does well over 900 DPS A heavy machine gun has Less than 500 DPS Mass drivers have 200- 300 DPS Assault rifles have Around 500 DPS The submachine gun does 350 to 450 DPS
Stop whining you have an ar my hmg has no range deal with it the ar is a plasma weapon close range the scrambler is a llaser long range deal wth it you puss |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
9
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:31:00 -
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Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO. |
ShinyJay
REAPERS REPUBLIC
120
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:45:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO.
no it's fine as is. the people that kills you with it are skilled people who know how to aim. your just bad with your gun game |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
213
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:53:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO.
Thank you for finally using the weapon.
Now that you're a bit more informed you should understand that if you compare the SR with the AR, the AR is still top dog it simply has little to no drawbacks
If you try to "adjust" the SR it'll just fall in the bin of wrecked weapons
It is powerful YES but only in the right hands
It is not overpowered, especially when compared to the AR |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
9
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:13:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bamboo x wrote:Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO. Thank you for finally using the weapon. Now that you're a bit more informed you should understand that if you compare the SR with the AR, the AR is still top dog it simply has little to no drawbacks If you try to "adjust" the SR it'll just fall in the bin of wrecked weapons It is powerful YES but only in the right hands It is not overpowered, especially when compared to the AR
No, I really think at least the charge should be a little weaker.
&& bad with my gun game? No. I think whenn I was using an AR i was pissed that they have mid to long range advantage. |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
9
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:00:00 -
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WOW I just buttraped the enemy team with CRW Scrambler
They were camping on one objective and the whole team was fighting the other team
I was practically mid-range sniping that thing is OP mid-range.
Definitely need to weaken the charge shot, at the very least.
I take back my comment on accuracy, that is fine. |
ShinyJay
REAPERS REPUBLIC
120
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:01:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bamboo x wrote:Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO. Thank you for finally using the weapon. Now that you're a bit more informed you should understand that if you compare the SR with the AR, the AR is still top dog it simply has little to no drawbacks If you try to "adjust" the SR it'll just fall in the bin of wrecked weapons It is powerful YES but only in the right hands It is not overpowered, especially when compared to the AR No, I really think at least the charge should be a little weaker. && bad with my gun game? No. I think whenn I was using an AR i was pissed that they have mid to long range advantage.
your AR should have lesser range then a scrambler rifle. the AR is designed that way, or at least suppose to be. your gun game is just that bad. the scrambler is a semi auto weapon compared to the full auto AR. you just died to someone who knows how to pick their shots and take time to aim |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
9
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:05:00 -
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ShinyJay wrote:your AR should have lesser range then a scrambler rifle. the AR is designed that way, or at least suppose to be. your gun game is just that bad. the scrambler is a semi auto weapon compared to the full auto AR. you just died to someone who knows how to pick their shots and take time to aim
Dude, don't talk ****.
I just got 15/6 by camping an objective swarming with hostiles at mid-range with CRW scrambler.
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
631
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:06:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Alright guys, I can tell I've been dealt a bad hand. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. Slightly.
Just... The accuracy or power needs to be slightly nerfed, or maybe the charge could just be a little weaker.
I was playing with it just now and you're right... it's not invincible... but it pretty much destroys anything that's not a Heavy. Just needs a little more balance to it IMO.
Accuracy = player so you think you need to be nerfed? (sorry, had to)
The charge has its drawbacks as well.. you have to have the time to charge the shot and you are stuck in ADS while you are doing it which means you are susceptible to being ambushed. I actually do not use the charged shot at all unless I am waiting to ambush someone.
The reason that everyone things the SCR is so powerful is because they are still stuck in the mentality of shield tanking which is its wheelhouse. That is why heavies are able to survive better against it than most assaults. There really isnt THAT much of a difference between a Heavy and a fully tanked Assault. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2821
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:39:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:ShinyJay wrote:your AR should have lesser range then a scrambler rifle. the AR is designed that way, or at least suppose to be. your gun game is just that bad. the scrambler is a semi auto weapon compared to the full auto AR. you just died to someone who knows how to pick their shots and take time to aim Dude, don't talk ****. I just got 15/6 by camping an objective swarming with hostiles at mid-range with CRW scrambler.
That's okay by most players standards, try Aero who does the same thing and goes 19/0 |
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
112
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Here is why you are wrong: Damage isn't everything, weapons with lower damage like the AR can also gain very high damage per second because of their high rate of fire. The scrambler rifle has high damage, but its damage per second is limited by how fast you can tap with a human finger.
In the time it takes to charge, an AR could have dealt enough damage to kill you anyway. Charge shots pretty much putting all your shots in one basket; if you miss, then the time you took to change was a waste of time, and that wasted time can make the difference between life or death.
It also cost way more PG/CPU then other similar weapons.
The Scrambler rifle also overheats after ONLY about 15 quickly fired shots, and you can't run or switch weapons until it cools down. A charge shot causes a lot of heat buildup, and just firing less than a handful of shots afterwards causes overheat. Overheating in a close gunfight is pretty much a death sentence.
In closing, your opinion is wrong. ALSO: your first 2 points are opinions, NOT "facts" as you call them. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33923848.jpg
My controller has a turbo button. Would that make it a duvolle with overheat? and if your a KB/M who can type fast then that means that... Heck I don't even wanna know what that means |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
31
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:23:00 -
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Counter to ar nerf posts, thats all this is.
But for the sake of argument.
The scramber had a 15 shot magazine, by that I mean it overheats deals damage and immobolize . What do ars have 60 shots quick reload no overheat.
Completely fair right?
oh and we have insanely high fitting cost |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
58
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:39:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Meh, I find it annoying that the gun is better at sub machine range than its intended. Its so good in that range I agree that the gun needs a rework, higher alpha and lower rof would work. I only get killed by the thing when hip fire spammed from inside 20M. I'll let you in on a little secret that will help you out against people that use the gun just like the old tac ar though. Here's the secret, never ADS when they come at you. Strafe and burst fire whatever gun you're using, after they blow their OP spam load and if you survive gun them down. Problem is with AA your chances of surviving are slim, but this will help you win more than you would have before. You make yourself sound like the typical "voice of reason" guy when in fact, you are not. Haven't you, on numerous occasions, sent me rage mail about my gun? Didn't you accuse me of having a "special" controller? Didn't your message header say "Reported"? You, my friend, are a funny guy.
You were the first one I ever faced running those tactics, since then I understand what you do how you do it and no longer care. I still think the gun is broke in cqc, the way you run it only proves it. You rarely fight outside of 20m, but instead run into sub range and spam r1. The problem isn't its DPS its that you can do 15 shots at 126 so fast that latency becomes the determining factor in every gun fight. Tell me I'm wrong and I'll call you a liar, I fight you weekly lol. |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
58
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:44:00 -
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And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol. |
bamboo x
Pawns and Kings
11
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:bamboo x wrote:ShinyJay wrote:your AR should have lesser range then a scrambler rifle. the AR is designed that way, or at least suppose to be. your gun game is just that bad. the scrambler is a semi auto weapon compared to the full auto AR. you just died to someone who knows how to pick their shots and take time to aim Dude, don't talk ****. I just got 15/6 by camping an objective swarming with hostiles at mid-range with CRW scrambler. That's okay by most players standards, try Aero who does the same thing and goes 19/0
I'd like to see Aero do it with a character that has under 600k SP, like I did. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2184
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:36:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:
I'd like to see Aero do it with a character that has under 600k SP, like I did.
So you stomped an Academy game
*Soft Clap*
Oh Bravo |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
34
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:39:00 -
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I bet I could go 20+-0 with a character that has 500k sp
using whatever weapon you want lololololololol
Academy victories are like bragging that you punched a baby in the face |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2738
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:47:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:True Adamance wrote:bamboo x wrote:ShinyJay wrote:your AR should have lesser range then a scrambler rifle. the AR is designed that way, or at least suppose to be. your gun game is just that bad. the scrambler is a semi auto weapon compared to the full auto AR. you just died to someone who knows how to pick their shots and take time to aim Dude, don't talk ****. I just got 15/6 by camping an objective swarming with hostiles at mid-range with CRW scrambler. That's okay by most players standards, try Aero who does the same thing and goes 19/0 I'd like to see Aero do it with a character that has under 600k SP, like I did.
Ha, I'd like to see you do that on a gimped commando suit.
And yeah the gun is great for point defense across range, that's the design. Ready counter is work your way up through cover and get in our face. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
417
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:18:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:WOW I just buttraped the enemy team with CRW Scrambler
They were camping on one objective and the whole team was fighting the other team
I was practically mid-range sniping that thing is OP mid-range.
Definitely need to weaken the charge shot, at the very least.
I take back my comment on accuracy, that is fine.
Charge shot puts the power of many shots into one. Notice how the gun glows immediately. This prevents charge shot spam. Try to fire 3-4 FULLY charged shots in a row. Can't? Because it will pop in your hand. This is the gun's fail safe. It renders you completely useless for 6 seconds. No switching to sidearm. No sprinting. No reloading. Nothing.
Again, that gun is only as good as it's user and elite SCR users are few and far between. The gun is balanced as is. It always has been. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
417
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:32:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol.
SCR will not change and you are wrong. While a big percentage of my fighting is CQC, most of my kills come from charge+volley shots inside of my optimal. The reason you die so quickly to me is because, if memory serves correctly, you run a caldari suit when I face you. You may as well just not fire a round. You'll be dead anyway. And the only reason I am close is because I am trying to push an obj to hack.
And I wouldn't say you face me weekly. I count 4 engagements total in which I have seen you. All within a month and all with disasterous results to you.
Besides, don't you run a Duvolle? Yeah...so... |
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