DUST Search - Scrambler REALLY needs to be nerfed

Kal Kronos wrote:

Lea Silencio wrote:

Kal Kronos wrote:

And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol.

SCR will not change and you are wrong. While a big percentage of my fighting is CQC, most of my kills come from charge+volley shots inside of my optimal. The reason you die so quickly to me is because, if memory serves correctly, you run a caldari suit when I face you. You may as well just not fire a round. You'll be dead anyway. And the only reason I am close is because I am trying to push an obj to hack.

And I wouldn't say you face me weekly. I count 4 engagements total in which I have seen you. All within a month and all with disasterous results to you.

Besides, don't you run a Duvolle? I could say the same thing about AR's and their obvious lack of weaknesses, but I don't. You use what works for you, as do I.

The most important point that I said being if it goes fotm it will get changed, if it doesn't get overused of course it will continue to slide under the radar. If tacts didn't get overused I am sure they would still have the same capabilities that they started with as well. Anyway, I have been running a lower SP version of the tactic only downside of it seems to be latency. It seems you either **** face with it or the lag gets you killed.


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Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 373	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:55:00 - [1] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: bamboo x wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: bamboo x wrote: The only other advanced weapons that can OHKO you like that are Forge, Plasma cannon, and Sniper. And they all have a balance between power and drawbacks. [/b][/i] List a few more Shotgun, Scrambler Pistol, and Nova Knives I feel bad for you if you've been OHKOed by a scrambler pistol, bro. Then perhaps we've never met. Also, try using the SR if you think its so OP. Go ahead and see how well you do. better yet, take me on and see how that turns out. Lol. I can ruin it for the OP... ...you would have a bad experience...all .5 seconds of it.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 373	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:00:00 - [2] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Meh, I find it annoying that the gun is better at sub machine range than its intended. Its so good in that range I agree that the gun needs a rework, higher alpha and lower rof would work. I only get killed by the thing when hip fire spammed from inside 20M. I'll let you in on a little secret that will help you out against people that use the gun just like the old tac ar though. Here's the secret, never ADS when they come at you. Strafe and burst fire whatever gun you're using, after they blow their OP spam load and if you survive gun them down. Problem is with AA your chances of surviving are slim, but this will help you win more than you would have before. You make yourself sound like the typical "voice of reason" guy when in fact, you are not. Haven't you, on numerous occasions, sent me rage mail about my gun? Didn't you accuse me of having a "special" controller? Didn't your message header say "Reported"? You, my friend, are a funny guy.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 374	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:21:00 - [3] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: CLONE117 wrote: just blame damage mods and the over heat reduction plus amarr suit for this one.. ive seen the imperial scrambler rifle at work. been on the receiving end of it as well. and with what i stated above. this is what makes it a cqc god currently. take away any of whats stated above and it puts at the back of the front line. but im not suggesting any nerfs for the weapon. since i sometimes use the assault scrambler. . although it does seem a bit too powerful against armor. EDIT: also "cqc god" is hyperbole, i rely on my sidearm for cqc and thats usually a scrambler pistol or a smg, ask any dedicated SR user and they will tell you how stupid you are if you rely only on your SR for cqc, you wont last a minute against players like me, Lea Silencio or Vin Vicious (to name a few) with your logic Tiberus is absoloutely correct. My scrambler pistol is usually my finisher in CQC more often than not. As a matter of fact, i have a certain rotation that I do: 1. See a target, pull out my SCR, unload. 2. Switch to pistol, continue fire. 3. Repeat if necessary. My reasoning behind this is simple...switching to my sidearm buys me precious seconds for my SCR to cooldown. IF I need it again, it is at the ready. Also, I never just go in guns blazing when I see an enemy. I aim at him, check out his stats, form an attack plan and engage, all in about 1 second. As many have stated, using the SCR EFFECTIVELY takes adequate skill, patience and constant monitoring of overheat. In the right hands, it is a monster but those players are few and far between. I can tell you that I only know 7 other players who are TRULY dangerous with it.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 375	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:35:00 - [4] - Quote Additionally for the record, yes...I can fire 11 shots in a second. I used to play jazz trumpet way back when, so I have insanely fast finger reaction, but does it really matter? All of my shots need to hit my target PLUS I run the risk of overheating sooner, so I would only be putting myself at risk. No, I do not, have not or never will use a turbo or modded controller. Money doesn't grow on trees and I use up enough on my mortgage, car payment, student loan payment and my son. I use my regular white Sony DS3 just fine.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 376	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:51:00 - [5] - Quote @Vellocet I use the scrambler pistol as a preferred sidearm for three reasons: 1. I love my semi-auto weapons. Always have. I have good enough aim that the Scrambler pistol's known headshot ability made it a must have imo. Besides, if you're not dead already from my Imperial, you will be when I whip my TT-3 out. Guaranteed. 2. In many ways, it resembles a mini-SCR. High damage individual shots. Flaylock requires no aim (or aiming at the feet). SMG is more "spray and pray". Both are ugly as dirt. 3. It's Amarrian tech! The Almighty crafted that sidearm just for me and he put a little extra "sexy" into it. I will always use Amarrian tech above all. Period.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 384	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:36:00 - [6] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: It would be different if You could only get 2 or 3 shots off a second rather than a max of 11 shots a second. The damage is not the issue it is strictly heat build up/ fire rate. all they have to do is reduce the fire rate slightly to lower the DPS. its quite simple everyone wins except the guys with modded controlers Sigh...these guys and their modded controller accusations. With the TAC, that would have been a legitimate debate, as they did not have overheat. Have you used the SCR? I mean....really? The faster you fire it, the faster it overheats. Sure you can fire slower but it overheats at the SAME ammo rate. Modded controllers would not benefit from using this gun at all. All you would feel is feedback damage and/or "Lea Silencio committed suicide". Enough with trying to make the "modded controller" thing a viable argument as to why it should be changed. The SCR is THE MOST BALANCED GUN IN THE GAME TO DATE. It needs neither a nerf or a buff. They pretty much got it right from day one. Flawed logic is failed logic.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 417	Posted - 2013.10.11 15:18:00 - [7] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WOW I just buttraped the enemy team with CRW Scrambler They were camping on one objective and the whole team was fighting the other team I was practically mid-range sniping that thing is OP mid-range. Definitely need to weaken the charge shot, at the very least. I take back my comment on accuracy, that is fine. Charge shot puts the power of many shots into one. Notice how the gun glows immediately. This prevents charge shot spam. Try to fire 3-4 FULLY charged shots in a row. Can't? Because it will pop in your hand. This is the gun's fail safe. It renders you completely useless for 6 seconds. No switching to sidearm. No sprinting. No reloading. Nothing. Again, that gun is only as good as it's user and elite SCR users are few and far between. The gun is balanced as is. It always has been.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 417	Posted - 2013.10.11 15:32:00 - [8] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol. SCR will not change and you are wrong. While a big percentage of my fighting is CQC, most of my kills come from charge+volley shots inside of my optimal. The reason you die so quickly to me is because, if memory serves correctly, you run a caldari suit when I face you. You may as well just not fire a round. You'll be dead anyway. And the only reason I am close is because I am trying to push an obj to hack. And I wouldn't say you face me weekly. I count 4 engagements total in which I have seen you. All within a month and all with disasterous results to you. Besides, don't you run a Duvolle? Yeah...so...
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 420	Posted - 2013.10.11 18:22:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: bamboo x wrote: WOW I just buttraped the enemy team with CRW Scrambler They were camping on one objective and the whole team was fighting the other team I was practically mid-range sniping that thing is OP mid-range. Definitely need to weaken the charge shot, at the very least. I take back my comment on accuracy, that is fine. Charge shot puts the power of many shots into one. Notice how the gun glows immediately. This prevents charge shot spam. Try to fire 3-4 FULLY charged shots in a row. Can't? Because it will pop in your hand. This is the gun's fail safe. It renders you completely useless for 6 seconds. No switching to sidearm. No sprinting. No reloading. Nothing. Again, that gun is only as good as it's user and elite SCR users are few and far between. The gun is balanced as is. It always has been. Amarr assault 5 lets you fire non-stop charge shots. I hid in the redline and blew through my entire mag to be sure. Based on the assumption that he isn't fully skilled because he is just now trying it. He will pop it.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 420	Posted - 2013.10.11 18:55:00 - [10] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol. SCR will not change and you are wrong. While a big percentage of my fighting is CQC, most of my kills come from charge+volley shots inside of my optimal. The reason you die so quickly to me is because, if memory serves correctly, you run a caldari suit when I face you. You may as well just not fire a round. You'll be dead anyway. And the only reason I am close is because I am trying to push an obj to hack. And I wouldn't say you face me weekly. I count 4 engagements total in which I have seen you. All within a month and all with disasterous results to you. Besides, don't you run a Duvolle? I could say the same thing about AR's and their obvious lack of weaknesses, but I don't. You use what works for you, as do I. The most important point that I said being if it goes fotm it will get changed, if it doesn't get overused of course it will continue to slide under the radar. If tacts didn't get overused I am sure they would still have the same capabilities that they started with as well. Anyway, I have been running a lower SP version of the tactic only downside of it seems to be latency. It seems you either **** face with it or the lag gets you killed. Like I said, it isn't FOTM and most SCR newbros are like "wow! This gun is good!", thinking that bevause they got a HS or 2 on a lower tier suit. Case in point is OP, who was amazed that he got a HS then proceeded to say its OP...all the while he is still in the academy. Put him out to the wolves and I forsee many 2-13 games in his future. Not many people can truly own with it. As I stated before, I only know of 7 guys that consistently get 20-40 kill games with it. SCR will never be FOTM. If that is the case, a nerf SHOULD have happened. Instead, you have guys that get killed with it and whine without ever using it. When they do AND become proficient with it, it's love at first sight. Make the latency an excuse all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that it is a great gun but has a serious drawback. Your AR has none tbh. It takes skill to use and aside from the plasma cannon vs infantry, it is the hardest gun to use.

Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 420	Posted - 2013.10.11 18:56:00 - [11] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: And yes I will continue to send you mail every time I fight you, lately its more advise. As soon as your set up goes fotm you're getting a change to heat build up or rof. I can see it coming, but do continue it doesn't affect me at all as I am still waiting for my rail rifle lol. Btw, I don't need your "advice" either. Kthnkxbai! Some advice for you...watch your flank. I seem to kill you a lot from the side. Keep your head on a swivel.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 426	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:34:00 - [12] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Wow can't believe that I am stepping up to defend scramblers but I believe the OH mechanism does somewhat balance the SR. Unfortunately it is one that seems to need some work, such as possibly increasing the OH damage or increasing the speed at which heat builds up. Friends using the SR have said they can fire off a full clip without overheating and firing at a slower speed also reduces heat buildup so in my mind that says that it is not OP just a weapon that needs some love with the nerf bat. The damage is fine as is the accuracy. I've even spent a few SP on it and see how quickly it could turn into FOTM if we were to have another 3x SP event. They work well even at the 1st level and are certainly more powerful than a standard Assault Rifle but again with all weapons they are not ideal in all situations. Your friends are wrong. I have Proto Amarr assault, Imperial SCR. I can assure you that they can not CONTINUOUSLY fire off an entire clip without overheating UNLESS they give it time in-between cycled shots to appropriately cooldown. Also, the speed at which you fire only determines how fast you overheat. Fire 15 rounds in 2 seconds? Boom overheat. Fire 15 rounds per 15 seconds (1 per second) and gues what? Pop...you still overheat. There is a pre-determined number of rounds (based on your skills and gun) that your gun will pop at if you continuously fire no matter what. The only way, again, to make what your friends say true is to allow the gun its 6 second break to cooldown. Again, take it from someone who knows. Your friends have given you false information.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 444	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Hey i'm looking into skilling into commando's and I wanna know, are Vizams and Imperial Scramblers together effective? Thanks In Advance. Imo, no but I can see how it could be a lethal combo if utilized properly.