Does anyone use the HMG anymore/ I mean seriously?

Me! Me! 1v1 me bro. see what happens to YOUR FACE

I run it. I love it. I mow down 90% of people with ease

Gave up on the heavy and use an assault rifle and have so much more fun!

I solo proto heavies with my SMG and laugh at any heavy that tells me I can't

I was a die hard heavy from the very beginning but with its current state and the size of maps

I have no interest in standing in one small enclosed area and wait to have grenades thrown at me.

The current heavy/HMG is a flop is it powerful in the right situation yes.

how often in this game does the right situation play out per match?

The hmg's range is a joke, it is a cqc area denial weapon more than an heavy machinegun.

I understand this is a arcadey shooter, but seriously who would bring a weapon that weighs more than a big pig upon a battlefield that is outranged by an ordinary assault rifle?

A lot of people. Seriously, I see HMG heavies every other battle.

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i is an active proto heavy


...also

all heavies join 'heavys only' channel

I've been murdering them all with my smg, that's what's been happening :D lol seriously I can outgun anyone that isn't using a prototype hmg in a prototype suit, and even then I can take em out if I have the jump on em. It's really sad, heavies just need a buff in general, they should be tough enough to just not die unless at least 2 people are there shooting them, otherwise they're just targets because they're slow as ****.

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... as a guy with a decent SP heavy alt, i'll say that the difference between trying to lonewolf HMG and run squadded is night and day.

why would you use one? the ar is better in almost every way. and the suit gets no bonus.

The hmg's range is a joke, it is a cqc area denial weapon more than an heavy machinegun.

I understand this is a arcadey shooter, but seriously who would bring a weapon that weighs more than a big pig upon a battlefield that is outranged by an ordinary assault rifle?

sharpshooter skill for the HMG would drastically improve performance and range. If CCP does hat then we could possibly have it back to where it used to be.

I finally got browbeat out of playing a heavy too. I love my lasers so I'm not complaining too much.

It's just pretty crappy that there has never been a new heavy weapon. ever. since well into closed beta. The lack of new/interesting content forced me to use the re-specs to switch classes entirely.

why would you use one? the ar is better in almost every way. and the suit gets no bonus.

Does anyone use the HMG anymore/ I mean seriously?

the very few heavies I see are either dren or milita. And they almost all wield a light weapon or forge guns.

1 out of every 20 matches I run into someone using a proto HMG and ADV or proto heavy suit. but there are so few I almost know them all by name.


What happened to all the heavies with HMGs?

indeed. Change the recoil reduction to dispersion reduction and give it a sharp shooter skill to increase range. That would make it do its job. Suppression.

i have gone to the dark side. I now primarily use a medium suit and either a AR or scram.
I LOVE how much faster i move now! I can actually get cover when i start taking fire its amazing! I can duck around corners i can sprint to go behind an obstacle. I was never really able to do this in the heavy suit i could try but i always just ended up dead anyway.
O and i have several medium frames that cost me under 5k isk but still have good survivability and thanks to some core skills i can fill all the slots up despite the suite having low cpu and pg. I play a heavy mostly now to bust tanks with my proto FG :)

I've been murdering them all with my smg, that's what's been happening :D lol seriously I can outgun anyone that isn't using a prototype hmg in a prototype suit, and even then I can take em out if I have the jump on em. It's really sad, heavies just need a buff in general, they should be tough enough to just not die unless at least 2 people are there shooting them, otherwise they're just targets because they're slow as ****.

bump


except scouts should b only ones able to solo heavies
but withy mad gun game

Precisely. its supposed to be almost like this... (of course player skill can drastically change the out come of these encounters)


heavies > assaults >
assaults > logis
logis > scouts
scouts > heavies


Heavies 1v1 are designed to stop assaults suits.
Assaults suits are better at attacking than logis. therefore 1v1 assaults should win.
Logi's are close in strength to assaults and (should be) faster than assaults. so, they can keep up with scouts.
scouts should be too fast for heavies to get a lock on, making scouts effective on heavies.



This is how it should be. these are slight advantages nothing prescripted, bt the slight edge should go as indicate above to the aforementioed parties. sadly...

Assault > heavies, scouts, logi's

so there really is no point.

Precisely. its supposed to be almost like this... (of course player skill can drastically change the out come of these encounters)


heavies > assaults >
assaults > logis
logis > scouts
scouts > heavies


Heavies 1v1 are designed to stop assaults suits.
Assaults suits are better at attacking than logis. therefore 1v1 assaults should win.
Logi's are close in strength to assaults and (should be) faster than assaults. so, they can keep up with scouts.
scouts should be too fast for heavies to get a lock on, making scouts effective on heavies.



This is how it should be. these are slight advantages nothing prescripted, bt the slight edge should go as indicate above to the aforementioed parties. sadly...

Assault > heavies, scouts, logi's

so there really is no point.

ya I really need to get that smg specced up.

SMG = AR with 20 more bullets and less range.

Basically if you do good with an HMg, you'd do way better with an AR, scrambler or Ascr, etc.
On a related note. MD are meant for squads so people running MD will get tons of kills in a squad setting where as solo, they are not as effective. This is not the case with the HMG.

Just look at the FW bonuses for this week's event. Not a single thing for the heavies.

It's also because CCP won't do anything to the assault rifle. In fact, they'd rather add more rifles into the game instead of giving heavies some more diversity (i.e. more suits)

i've seen more of them in the last 2 weeks, even fights where the other team were mostly heavy in the iron delta map

I use the HMG now and again.... still is a kick ass weapon for CQC, but that is the problem, is very "specific" ;

Back against the wall kill me if you can... type of weapon.

might as well use a sword or a sledgehammer at that point.

don't forget higher dps.

I see plenty of HMG Heavies, they are boss in choke points and there are alot of choke points in the new buildings.

might as well use a sword or a sledgehammer at that point.

Those who say heavies are fine are full of S*** and should not comment unless you play one. I quit being a heavy a month ago and went assault AR and been winning most matches. The only ones I have trouble with is the occasional FG, if the FG did not do the damage it does they would be screwed. I was playing heavy since Beta and I cant express how much I hate the current heavy and its apparent weaknesses. Out ranged, damage is so so, and our suits is like paper to almost all weapons. I play sniper to relieve the boredom and I have put heavies under in less than 3 shots with no problem. I love seeing heavies in the open for I know its an easy kill and the poor B****** is F****. So if you think a heavy is fine how many have seen a scout with a SG own a heavy? How many have seen a AR, ScR user own a heavy with ease? If heavies were as good as some say then you would see more of them and the evidence is completely the opposite.


I called for a strike over a month ago to voice our discontent of the current heavy use. Very few would sign that petition, now that I see less of the heavy brothers I wonder if they would change there minds and sign.


Boycott the heavy and refuse to use it or any heavy weapon until CCP fixes its role.

Those who say heavies are fine are full of S*** and should not comment unless you play one. I quit being a heavy a month ago and went assault AR and been winning most matches. The only ones I have trouble with is the occasional FG, if the FG did not do the damage it does they would be screwed. I was playing heavy since Beta and I cant express how much I hate the current heavy and its apparent weaknesses. Out ranged, damage is so so, and our suits is like paper to almost all weapons. I play sniper to relieve the boredom and I have put heavies under in less than 3 shots with no problem. I love seeing heavies in the open for I know its an easy kill and the poor B****** is F****. So if you think a heavy is fine how many have seen a scout with a SG own a heavy? How many have seen a AR, ScR user own a heavy with ease? If heavies were as good as some say then you would see more of them and the evidence is completely the opposite.


I called for a strike over a month ago to voice our discontent of the current heavy use. Very few would sign that petition, now that I see less of the heavy brothers I wonder if they would change there minds and sign.


Boycott the heavy and refuse to use it or any heavy weapon until CCP fixes its role.

Heavies are fine.

I don't base my heavy experiences off of pubs like everyone else is doing. Pubs are not a reliable place to see if a suit is working or not when it's suppose to be situational to begin with. A suits as good as a team can put it to effect - and in PC heavies are put to great effect.

Does anyone use the HMG anymore/ I mean seriously?

the very few heavies I see are either dren or milita. And they almost all wield a light weapon or forge guns.

1 out of every 20 matches I run into someone using a proto HMG and ADV or proto heavy suit. but there are so few I almost know them all by name.


What happened to all the heavies with HMGs?

I am still trying to understand where this whole 'situational thing" comes from.
Each suit is supposed to have advantages and disadvantages. however, how one uses said advantages is up to them.

Not to adress your eariler point. Why is every suit "situation" except assault suits?

since, heavies are supposed to be defense only. then shouldnt assaults be offense only?

It's messed up - I know. But in what situation do you see a heavy thriving in long distance combat even with a long distance weapon? Our hitbox is too big and we're too slow.. We'll likely just get gunned down trying to put our sights down on 'em. It makes us situational. Just like scouts shouldn't be charging head first. Is CCP doing what's right for each class to play there roles effectively? Nope. But it is what it is and it's likely to get worse and more situational for the heavy, and I mean every type of heavy. There won't ever be a heavy to rival the assault suit in versatilely. And that's the role the assault player plays - versatile. At least in my opinion, but the logi seems more capable of being anything it wants.

I'm starting to think it just the combination of the two that's the problem The heavy suit has too many limiting factors for a weapon that is only good in certain situations, which is mainly close quarters. The reason the shotgun is so good is cause you can put it on a light suit and close the distance and determine your situation.

The heavy suit is supposed to allow you tank your way into an ideal situation which it fails to do in any way. Even out running a grenade is not always an option especially in tight quarters. So using the Hmg with the heavy suit is just a bad combo under the current build.

We cant run away from a fight for the most part (without an LAV) Any type of open area is certain death without the ability to close the gap. The fact that dispersion does little more than tickle someone who is landing head shots on us is a but ridiculous. "Aim assist and long range weapons." We can both agree that the range we had in Chromosone may have been to much however with the range that assault rifles have combined with the aim assist and less lag the Hmg or suit needs something to make it less of "situational suit that we are not able dictate"

In my opinion the HMG/ Heavy Suit is the problem fix one or the other and there may be a chance. But with the limiting factors that are imposed on the heavy suit right now just makes it no fun to play, when you can do twice as good with an AR carry other fun stuff in your equipment slot and actually play the objectives and choos your situation instead of waitng for the situation to come to you, which usually just ends in a grenade.

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I'm starting to think it just the combination of the two that's the problem The heavy suit has too many limiting factors for a weapon that is only good in certain situations, which is mainly close quarters. The reason the shotgun is so good is cause you can put it on a light suit and close the distance and determine your situation.

The heavy suit is supposed to allow you tank your way into an ideal situation which it fails to do in any way. Even out running a grenade is not always an option especially in tight quarters. So using the Hmg with the heavy suit is just a bad combo under the current build.

We cant run away from a fight for the most part (without an LAV) Any type of open area is certain death without the ability to close the gap. The fact that dispersion does little more than tickle someone who is landing head shots on us is a but ridiculous. "Aim assist and long range weapons." We can both agree that the range we had in Chromosone may have been to much however with the range that assault rifles have combined with the aim assist and less lag the Hmg or suit needs something to make it less of "situational suit that we are not able dictate"

In my opinion the HMG/ Heavy Suit is the problem fix one or the other and there may be a chance. But with the limiting factors that are imposed on the heavy suit right now just makes it no fun to play, when you can do twice as good with an AR carry other fun stuff in your equipment slot and actually play the objectives and choos your situation instead of waitng for the situation to come to you, which usually just ends in a grenade.