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... as a guy with a decent SP heavy alt, i'll say that the difference between trying to lonewolf HMG and run squadded is night and day.

why would you use one? the ar is better in almost every way. and the suit gets no bonus.

The hmg's range is a joke, it is a cqc area denial weapon more than an heavy machinegun.

I understand this is a arcadey shooter, but seriously who would bring a weapon that weighs more than a big pig upon a battlefield that is outranged by an ordinary assault rifle?

sharpshooter skill for the HMG would drastically improve performance and range. If CCP does hat then we could possibly have it back to where it used to be.

I finally got browbeat out of playing a heavy too. I love my lasers so I'm not complaining too much.

It's just pretty crappy that there has never been a new heavy weapon. ever. since well into closed beta. The lack of new/interesting content forced me to use the re-specs to switch classes entirely.

why would you use one? the ar is better in almost every way. and the suit gets no bonus.

Does anyone use the HMG anymore/ I mean seriously?

the very few heavies I see are either dren or milita. And they almost all wield a light weapon or forge guns.

1 out of every 20 matches I run into someone using a proto HMG and ADV or proto heavy suit. but there are so few I almost know them all by name.


What happened to all the heavies with HMGs?

indeed. Change the recoil reduction to dispersion reduction and give it a sharp shooter skill to increase range. That would make it do its job. Suppression.

i have gone to the dark side. I now primarily use a medium suit and either a AR or scram.
I LOVE how much faster i move now! I can actually get cover when i start taking fire its amazing! I can duck around corners i can sprint to go behind an obstacle. I was never really able to do this in the heavy suit i could try but i always just ended up dead anyway.
O and i have several medium frames that cost me under 5k isk but still have good survivability and thanks to some core skills i can fill all the slots up despite the suite having low cpu and pg. I play a heavy mostly now to bust tanks with my proto FG :)

I've been murdering them all with my smg, that's what's been happening :D lol seriously I can outgun anyone that isn't using a prototype hmg in a prototype suit, and even then I can take em out if I have the jump on em. It's really sad, heavies just need a buff in general, they should be tough enough to just not die unless at least 2 people are there shooting them, otherwise they're just targets because they're slow as ****.

bump


except scouts should b only ones able to solo heavies
but withy mad gun game

Precisely. its supposed to be almost like this... (of course player skill can drastically change the out come of these encounters)


heavies > assaults >
assaults > logis
logis > scouts
scouts > heavies


Heavies 1v1 are designed to stop assaults suits.
Assaults suits are better at attacking than logis. therefore 1v1 assaults should win.
Logi's are close in strength to assaults and (should be) faster than assaults. so, they can keep up with scouts.
scouts should be too fast for heavies to get a lock on, making scouts effective on heavies.



This is how it should be. these are slight advantages nothing prescripted, bt the slight edge should go as indicate above to the aforementioed parties. sadly...

Assault > heavies, scouts, logi's

so there really is no point.

Precisely. its supposed to be almost like this... (of course player skill can drastically change the out come of these encounters)


heavies > assaults >
assaults > logis
logis > scouts
scouts > heavies


Heavies 1v1 are designed to stop assaults suits.
Assaults suits are better at attacking than logis. therefore 1v1 assaults should win.
Logi's are close in strength to assaults and (should be) faster than assaults. so, they can keep up with scouts.
scouts should be too fast for heavies to get a lock on, making scouts effective on heavies.



This is how it should be. these are slight advantages nothing prescripted, bt the slight edge should go as indicate above to the aforementioed parties. sadly...

Assault > heavies, scouts, logi's

so there really is no point.

ya I really need to get that smg specced up.

SMG = AR with 20 more bullets and less range.

Basically if you do good with an HMg, you'd do way better with an AR, scrambler or Ascr, etc.
On a related note. MD are meant for squads so people running MD will get tons of kills in a squad setting where as solo, they are not as effective. This is not the case with the HMG.

Just look at the FW bonuses for this week's event. Not a single thing for the heavies.

It's also because CCP won't do anything to the assault rifle. In fact, they'd rather add more rifles into the game instead of giving heavies some more diversity (i.e. more suits)

i've seen more of them in the last 2 weeks, even fights where the other team were mostly heavy in the iron delta map

I use the HMG now and again.... still is a kick ass weapon for CQC, but that is the problem, is very "specific" ;

Back against the wall kill me if you can... type of weapon.

might as well use a sword or a sledgehammer at that point.