I've used this exact fit a time or two with decent success.

The MD is a good complimentary weapon for the laser, too. It's great for picking off bads that have taken cover from your LR.

Sadly Aero has a condition. He cant touch dirty MInmatar weapons without feeling queasy.

If you find a pair of gloves so you can touch the dirty weapons of the other races then you should swap the CRD-9 for a GEK-38, it isn't worth the 12pg it costs to fit it, the damn proto one is only 3 pg more!!! what the hell is up with that lol

Alright, I am convinced this fit is actually a competitive fit, I've now been doing just as good as with my assault. The main problem tends to be getting to the action, since you're so slow, but once you're their havoc pursues. Also there is about a 20k ISK premium over an advanced assault fit, because clearly the Commando is so good it needs to cost more

LOL

Well I'm talking about when competing against full squds in FW. Obviously in PC there is no room for trying anything unique.

I might pickup the Commando sometime, Dual Imperial Scramblers :p must be nice to almost overheat one, swap to the other for a double whammy.

Logi at your service o7

You can get your armor and shields a lot higher than that with Core Skills .... Not like it helps much, considering how slow the Commando suit is.. and how HUGE the hit box is. The problem with the Commando suit is been a HEAVY suit.

no PLC? get out scrub

I always figured I'd have two of the same weapon on a Commando. ScR & Assault ScR. Skilling into two Amarr weapons that fill similar roles seems a bit of a waste to me.

Ugh . . . no you can't? I have my armor upgrades and shield upgrade at level 4, as I stated in the OP. That brings the base stats from 250 armor / 250 shield to 300 armor / 300 shield. With armor and shield upgrades at 5 then it'd only be 312.5 armor / 312.5 shield (and yes, it does keep track of decimals, it just doesn't display it).

How much higher can you really get the armor/shields than what I have on an advanced commando? I do believe I may be able to squeeze out a complex plate to replace my enhanced plate, but that would be about it.

Also I agree that the large hit box of the heavy is unfortunate, but man I love the look of the Amarr heavy frame so I'm ok with it
It would be nice though if it actually had the base HP reflective of a heavy, because right now even at prototype an assault can out tank you, as well as having the added bonus of an actual armor repair module and a grenade slot. I don't think it needs to be much, just something small like increase base stats from 250/250 to 300/300.

With max Core skills it is possible to have ;

378 hp Shields
447 hp Armor

And with Proto ;

444 hp shields.

But like i said... i doesn't helps.

Hey man, great games today!

And in my opinion the problem with using charge scramblers on the Commando is that you really need to reload them, meaning the reload bonus is going to waste. Still could be a good combo.

That's only 41 more shield and 20 more armor on my advanced suit, I wouldn't call that "a lot higher." Also That's using a complex shield extender which would take up too much CPU for my laser weapons anyways.

I always figured I'd have two of the same weapon on a Commando. ScR & Assault ScR. Skilling into two Amarr weapons that fill similar roles seems a bit of a waste to me.

Edit: and compact hives are da bomb.

Yeah... CPU is the biatch in the Commando suit. Anyway... like i said in the edit, with Core skills is 350 HP shields.

Compact Hives are a Scouts best friend!

10 CPU, 2 PG, and I can restock ammo and repair my meager armor about 2-3 times.

Shield upgrades 5 puts your shields at 312.5 HP. If you then have shield extenders at 5 and commando at prototype and slap a single shield extender, it brings you up to 352.5 shield, but that's a massive SP sink for so little reward. Meanwhile I have my commando at 3 and shield extenders at 3 with shield upgrades at 4, saving my over 2.5 m SP (rough estimate off top of my head), and I'm only 15.5 shield short . . .

Is 312, not 312.5 ... But that is irrelevant. The point is that it doesn't matter what you do it, still sucks. I had to get my Core Upgrades skills to level 4 and electronics to level 3.. just so i can equip a couple of Adv weapons, an Ammo Hive, Enhanced Shield extender and armor repair ... And i have "JUST" enough CPU.

I am fairly confident it is 312.5. Here's my reasoning
1) 300 x 1.25 - 312.5
2) When you look at your armor repair rate in stats, it includes decimals. When you watch your armor rep go up in battle, you'll notice sometimes it may go up 4 while other times it may go up 5 (example). This leads me to believe it counts decimals in your HP but doesn't display it.

Also I've been going 23-0, 15-2, 17-0, 36-6 with 2000+ points against organized squads in FW. I mean sure it's not as good as other suits, but it can mildly compete.

I would say that 37 shield isn't enough to justify taking up a high slot.

That is, unless you can't fit anything else. Having better shield recharge or damage or something sounds more reasonable.

I'll have to try this later today. My usual combo is an assault scrambler with a mass driver.

It is 312 ... here is my reasoning ;

I have maxed the Shields Core Skills ... and i looking at it right now... it says 312 hp without shield Extenders.

But yes... i do normally well enough with the MD+ AR combo.. best one so far.

I am fairly confident it is 312.5. Here's my reasoning
1) 300 x 1.25 - 312.5
2) When you look at your armor repair rate in stats, it includes decimals. When you watch your armor rep go up in battle, you'll notice sometimes it may go up 4 while other times it may go up 5 (example). This leads me to believe it counts decimals in your HP but doesn't display it.

Also I've been going 23-0, 15-2, 17-0, 36-6 with 2000+ points against organized squads in FW. I mean sure it's not as good as other suits, but it can mildly compete.

And my Engineering is at 3 while electronics are at 2, I'm still able to fit an advanced laser rifle, advanced assault scrambler rifle, enhanced shield extender, and enhanced armor plate on my advanced Commando. The only non-advanced thing I have is the compact nanohives.

Are you not reading my argument? First off, I wasn't saying anything regarding extenders in my reasoning. Also I aknowledged that is says 312, but again this is likely only because CCP figured it would be unnecessary to show. I mean, when you're looking at your HUD do you really want to see decimals?

I bet you 10,000,000 ISK that the game does, in fact, count decimals in your HP. If you care to take me up on that, I will go hunt down a dev.

Give me the 10,000,000 isk then....

With Enhanced Shield Extender it says .... 350 hp, not 352.5 hp. I looking at it right now... as i typing.

Now you're just trolling. We're talking about what the actual code lists for the variable, not what it displays in the interface.

It should say 352 hp, or 353 hp if you want to ignore the 0.5, right ? It says 350 hp. That is 2 hp bellow your calculation...

I normally troll... but i'm not right now.

That's probably more of a fault of me guessing the numbers for passive bonuses. Shield extenders still is 2% efficacy per level, right? And Commando suit is also 2% efficacy? So I was assuming both at level 5, so

33 hp * 1.1 * 1.1 = 39.93
Then of course,
250 * 1.25 = 312.5
Thus,
312.5 + 39.93 = 352.43

If I am recalling the passive bonuses correctly and you have both at level 5 and it's only showing 350, then I'm doing something wrong.

The commando suits are great. i just dunno why folk seem to slate them. sure they take a bit of work to run efficiently but i love em. at lv4 on my heavy alt and atm i just run dual recruit rifles on basic frame while i'm slowly slugging ahead for my proto suit and workign on AR's. it has a great amount of EHP, insane reload speed and enough room for an ammo pack. only reason i'm waiting on this char is cos i want either the minny or gallente suit

My adv commando has. Adv shield extenders, proto reactive plate, assault scrambler rifle, exo mass driver, and a scanner. You scan the area shoot out there shield with the scambler rifle, then blow them up with the mass diver. I use this fit in pc it garenty that when I go down somebody going with me. If I remember " I'm away form my game." It has 400 shields and 345 armor with 2 hp/s.

My adv commando has. Adv shield extenders, proto reactive plate, assault scrambler rifle, exo mass driver, and a scanner. You scan the area shoot out there shield with the scambler rifle, then blow them up with the mass diver. I use this fit in pc it garenty that when I go down somebody going with me. If I remember " I'm away form my game." It has 400 shields and 345 armor with 2 hp/s.

It should say 352 hp, or 353 hp if you want to ignore the 0.5, right ? It says 350 hp. That is 2 hp bellow your calculation...

I normally troll... but i'm not right now.

It should say 352 hp, or 353 hp if you want to ignore the 0.5, right ? It says 350 hp. That is 2 hp bellow your calculation...

I normally troll... but i'm not right now.

Are you dense? An enhanced shield extender with maxed extension skills would add 36.333 shields, and with the bonus to plates/extenders that the Commando offers, at level 5 of the Commando skill an enhanced extender would give you 39.93. Add that 312.5, and you end up with 352.43 total shields. How about you go back to elementary school so you can learn basic multiplication and addition.

LOL this thread...

Shield Extenders are worthless due to bad regen and Shotgun goes well with any suit so I won't mention them. The following fits are still considered weak compared to my Assault Gk.0 and the Heavy:


Commando AK.0 - Plasma Cannon/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Allotek Plasma Cannon
• Duvolle Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Complex CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Freedom Mass Driver
• GEK-38 Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/Scrambler Rifle
-Core Skills, Electronics, and Engineering must be maxed out to fit this

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• EXO-5 Mass Driver
• CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic Armor Plate

No one said anything about Level 5 Commando.... We was talking mostly about the Adv Commando suit ( 1 high / 1 low )

Still... it doesn't change the fact that i can see with my own eyes 312 hp without and 350 hp with. Most likely scenario is that CCP forgot to change the numbers for the bonuses.

Before the 1.4 update i had 350hp shields.. after the 1.4 update with the added bonuses, i still have 350hp. Simple answer is;

They added the bonuses to the descriptions, but they forgot to change the attributes.

And i was only joking about 10,000,000 isk.

Yes, believe it or not. Had the Commando from the beginning, realized it was terrible, then only occasionally went back to it to try something new and realize it still is terrible, but not today! My urge kicked in again and I found something somewhat decent.

Commando A/1-Series
ELM-7 Laser Rifle
CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle
Enhanced Shield Extender
Enhanced Armor Plate
Compact Nanohive

337 Shield
424 Armor
I also have Shield Upgrades, Armor Upgrades, and Biotics at Level 4

Figured the work part of the Commando is only 1 low slot, which traditionally thinking has to go to a armor repper. Well decided to put the reps in the hive so I can use that slot for a plate, and man it's a world of difference! Laser rifle is great for taking out anyone at distance, as usual, and the assault scrambler rifle provides excellent mid-close range firepower. Also since it has a large clip than the AR, it means you can constantly fire for a longer time then take advantage of that quick reload speed of the Commando and get right back at it, and then if someone gets too close there's the 240 melee damage. Works much better if you have a logi, but you don't necessarily need one.

I'm almost doing as well as with my Amarr Assault. Almost. Need to get the advanced triage hives so I can carry more than one with me.

Do you not have the Commando skill at 5? Because that would throw off the numbers you're seeing.

Sadly Aero has a condition. He cant touch dirty MInmatar weapons without feeling queasy.

but im a minmatar in a amarr suit

LOL this thread...

Shield Extenders are worthless due to bad regen and Shotgun goes well with any suit so I won't mention them. The following fits are still considered weak compared to my Assault Gk.0 and the Heavy:


Commando AK.0 - Plasma Cannon/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Allotek Plasma Cannon
• Duvolle Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Complex CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Freedom Mass Driver
• GEK-38 Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/Scrambler Rifle
-Core Skills, Electronics, and Engineering must be maxed out to fit this

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• EXO-5 Mass Driver
• CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic Armor Plate

Next to Aero's LAser/ASCR combination, the amount of useful Commando loadouts has increased a little:

Tested commando L weapon combinations:
Laser+ASCR
TAC+AR
ASCR+MASS
AR/ASCR+SWARM
SNIPER+SWARM
SCR R+SCR R

Anything else im missing?

You only missing the one that TRULY works ;

Mass Driver + Assault Rifle.

A little clarification on the above post, Alldin is trying to act all elite by fitting a proto commando with an assault suit mentality, then complaining when it doesn't do as well as the assault suit.

I mean 2 complex damage mods, really? And by doing that requiring a CPU mod for your one low? Are you honestly trying to make a glass cannon out of the largest infantry hitbox in the game?

The Commando is a support suit, not an assault suit. And it does support a lot better than the assault can because you offer a much broader versatility than any other suit (the problem is such support isn't really needed). The commando is a niche role, and if you are going to use it here's a few things you have to do,

1) The low slot goes to an armor plate. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I can already hear the shield tankers complaining because armor makes you slow, well #dealwithit

2) Equipment goes to a triage hive so you can actually rep yourself, unless you have a dedicated logi.

3) Highs go to shield extenders. I don't care what you think about how little it adds or how bad the shield regen rate is, because guess what? You have no passive armor regen. Every bit of buffer to prevent that armor from getting tapped is important.

4) You need weapons that compliment eachother in range. If you want to use AR and mass driver for "stripping away shields then tearing apart armor," well one: you are stupid for picking the AR since the AScR strips shields faster, two: by the time you switch weapons and readjust your aim you could of probably just killed the guy by sticking with your original weapon, and three: this means you are probably trying to assault which is not what the suit is for. If you're going to use a MD and AR, then you're best using the MD for getting people at range then the AR if people get close. Also shotgun on a commando is dumb, because again you're taking a slow suit with the largest infantry hitbox and trying to charge and get up close.

I mean, use what you want, that's what Dust is about, but in my opinion you're just not taking advantages of any of the suits strengths and instead trying to make it something it's not.

WoOw.. to many words...i just going to do my normal thing and just pick the bit that interest me the most.

I using the MD+AR combo because Suppression + Self Defense. Mass Driver to keep people away from me ( Because I die very quickly ) and AR to defend myself if they get to close to me.

And ok, that is totally valid! However, you have to keep in mind this is a support suit, so suppression for the squad self defense for yourself. If you're going to try and rambo it, you'd be better off going assault and picking either the MD or AR. And since it's a support suit, stop f***ing around with damage mods. If you need more damage, get your proficiency up. Just like the logistics, who is also a support role (though a different type of support), defense is most important. You can't support if you are dead.

A little clarification on the above post, Alldin is trying to act all elite by fitting a proto commando with an assault suit mentality, then complaining when it doesn't do as well as the assault suit.

I mean 2 complex damage mods, really? And by doing that requiring a CPU mod for your one low? Are you honestly trying to make a glass cannon out of the largest infantry hitbox in the game?

The Commando is a support suit, not an assault suit. And it does support a lot better than the assault can because you offer a much broader versatility than any other suit (the problem is such support isn't really needed). The commando is a niche role, and if you are going to use it here's a few things you have to do,

1) The low slot goes to an armor plate. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I can already hear the shield tankers complaining because armor makes you slow, well #dealwithit

2) Equipment goes to a triage hive so you can actually rep yourself, unless you have a dedicated logi.

3) Highs go to shield extenders. I don't care what you think about how little it adds or how bad the shield regen rate is, because guess what? You have no passive armor regen. Every bit of buffer to prevent that armor from getting tapped is important.

4) You need weapons that compliment eachother in range. If you want to use AR and mass driver for "stripping away shields then tearing apart armor," well one: you are stupid for picking the AR since the AScR strips shields faster, two: by the time you switch weapons and readjust your aim you could of probably just killed the guy by sticking with your original weapon, and three: this means you are probably trying to assault which is not what the suit is for. If you're going to use a MD and AR, then you're best using the MD for getting people at range then the AR if people get close. Also shotgun on a commando is dumb, because again you're taking a slow suit with the largest infantry hitbox and trying to charge and get up close.

I mean, use what you want, that's what Dust is about, but in my opinion you're just not taking advantages of any of the suits strengths and instead trying to make it something it's not.

Well, I still think you are too close minded with your weapon choices. Too much AR or MD (easy mode assault weapons), not enough of every other light weapon. To be honest, I believe the laser rifle is the Commando's best friend. Very surprised that every time I hear someone discussing the commando they never bring up laser rifle, which is the ultimate mid-range killer, combined with any other more assault-oriented weapon.

And come on, the Commando suit obviously going to always be easy to hit because it's a heavy frame. That's all the more reason to add more buffer! Did you think I was suggesting adding shield extenders will somehow make it easy to strafe? lol. Just find it silly that you will take any heavy frame suit and do nothing outside of passive skills to buff it's HP.

Commando suit will always be easy to hit so there's no point in putting an extra extender if I can't get back that HP right away. As for the whole support suit thing, any Assault with good aim on scrambler pistol or a heavily skilled SMG can treat those sidearms as a light weapon (AR/SMG, SR/SMG, Sniper/SMG or SP, Swarm/SMG or SP, LR/SMG, MD/SP...) basically making the Commando Irrelevant, which is why I try to treat the suit as infantry killer.

1. Allotek Nanohive (R) gives 40 Armor HP every 2 seconds AND ammo.
2. Above mention.
3. Extenders are a temporary bonus to HP, once it's gone I'll likely die. Dmg mods are bonus permanent regardless of HP remaining.
4. AR has better Accuracy than Scrambler Rifle, don't like it then use other fit I mentioned. Shotgun is good on any suit if you're in a CQC map.

IF Logi suits were close to being weak as scouts and IF Commando had 2 equipment slots with slightly higher CPU/PG, then I would call it a support class.

Sadly Aero has a condition. He cant touch dirty MInmatar weapons without feeling queasy.

Laser is ok but TAC AR is still the best for long range and doesn't easily show your location. If I try to add more buffer, all I'm doing is increase survivalbility for the first encounter, the damage mods together with healing nanohives means I'll kill faster and keep repairing damage taken.

I feel the slime every time I put on my Amarr Dropsuit but manage to tough it out. Just goes to show the Amarr don't have the intestinal fortitude needed to get the job done.

We'' admittedly a paladin binds the suit to his spine when using an Amarrian dropsuit, perhaps its just me but I long since grew accustom to its presence, though is swear the sheer number of Minmatar renegades making use of superior AMarrian weapons and armour is astounding. I guess its simply because the Amarr make things better.

Long R and D processes after all.

HAHAHA, no. The TAR has nothing on the LR. Like, not even close. Also, besides the fact that you shouldn't be losing your buffer on your first encounter, it doesn't matter how fast you can kill if you have a huge hitbox for everyone to attack. HP is more important.

Don't mean to be rude, but I believe your fit is very poorly thought out. And of course, you believe mine is. I think it would be fun some time to prove whose theory is better. A 1v1 wouldn't work at all because most the time in battle a commando isn't fighting another commando, would be much better to squad up and simply see who can perform better against the same enemies. I'd bet my advanced commando would do better than your proto commando.

Wait what? Where is this in the lore? I must know.

This is why I don't use commando: anyone in any suit can easily kill me.