Ugh . . . no you can't? I have my armor upgrades and shield upgrade at level 4, as I stated in the OP. That brings the base stats from 250 armor / 250 shield to 300 armor / 300 shield. With armor and shield upgrades at 5 then it'd only be 312.5 armor / 312.5 shield (and yes, it does keep track of decimals, it just doesn't display it).

How much higher can you really get the armor/shields than what I have on an advanced commando? I do believe I may be able to squeeze out a complex plate to replace my enhanced plate, but that would be about it.

Also I agree that the large hit box of the heavy is unfortunate, but man I love the look of the Amarr heavy frame so I'm ok with it
It would be nice though if it actually had the base HP reflective of a heavy, because right now even at prototype an assault can out tank you, as well as having the added bonus of an actual armor repair module and a grenade slot. I don't think it needs to be much, just something small like increase base stats from 250/250 to 300/300.

That's only 41 more shield and 20 more armor on my advanced suit, I wouldn't call that "a lot higher." Also That's using a complex shield extender which would take up too much CPU for my laser weapons anyways.

Shield upgrades 5 puts your shields at 312.5 HP. If you then have shield extenders at 5 and commando at prototype and slap a single shield extender, it brings you up to 352.5 shield, but that's a massive SP sink for so little reward. Meanwhile I have my commando at 3 and shield extenders at 3 with shield upgrades at 4, saving my over 2.5 m SP (rough estimate off top of my head), and I'm only 15.5 shield short . . .

I am fairly confident it is 312.5. Here's my reasoning
1) 300 x 1.25 - 312.5
2) When you look at your armor repair rate in stats, it includes decimals. When you watch your armor rep go up in battle, you'll notice sometimes it may go up 4 while other times it may go up 5 (example). This leads me to believe it counts decimals in your HP but doesn't display it.

Also I've been going 23-0, 15-2, 17-0, 36-6 with 2000+ points against organized squads in FW. I mean sure it's not as good as other suits, but it can mildly compete.

Are you not reading my argument? First off, I wasn't saying anything regarding extenders in my reasoning. Also I aknowledged that is says 312, but again this is likely only because CCP figured it would be unnecessary to show. I mean, when you're looking at your HUD do you really want to see decimals?

I bet you 10,000,000 ISK that the game does, in fact, count decimals in your HP. If you care to take me up on that, I will go hunt down a dev.

Now you're just trolling. We're talking about what the actual code lists for the variable, not what it displays in the interface.

That's probably more of a fault of me guessing the numbers for passive bonuses. Shield extenders still is 2% efficacy per level, right? And Commando suit is also 2% efficacy? So I was assuming both at level 5, so

33 hp * 1.1 * 1.1 = 39.93
Then of course,
250 * 1.25 = 312.5
Thus,
312.5 + 39.93 = 352.43

If I am recalling the passive bonuses correctly and you have both at level 5 and it's only showing 350, then I'm doing something wrong.

My adv commando has. Adv shield extenders, proto reactive plate, assault scrambler rifle, exo mass driver, and a scanner. You scan the area shoot out there shield with the scambler rifle, then blow them up with the mass diver. I use this fit in pc it garenty that when I go down somebody going with me. If I remember " I'm away form my game." It has 400 shields and 345 armor with 2 hp/s.

It should say 352 hp, or 353 hp if you want to ignore the 0.5, right ? It says 350 hp. That is 2 hp bellow your calculation...

I normally troll... but i'm not right now.

Are you dense? An enhanced shield extender with maxed extension skills would add 36.333 shields, and with the bonus to plates/extenders that the Commando offers, at level 5 of the Commando skill an enhanced extender would give you 39.93. Add that 312.5, and you end up with 352.43 total shields. How about you go back to elementary school so you can learn basic multiplication and addition.

LOL this thread...

Shield Extenders are worthless due to bad regen and Shotgun goes well with any suit so I won't mention them. The following fits are still considered weak compared to my Assault Gk.0 and the Heavy:


Commando AK.0 - Plasma Cannon/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Allotek Plasma Cannon
• Duvolle Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Complex CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/AR

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• Freedom Mass Driver
• GEK-38 Assault Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic CPU Upgrade

Commando AK.0 - Mass Driver/Scrambler Rifle
-Core Skills, Electronics, and Engineering must be maxed out to fit this

• 2x Complex Light Damage Mods
• EXO-5 Mass Driver
• CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle
• Allotek Nanohive (R)
• Basic Armor Plate

Do you not have the Commando skill at 5? Because that would throw off the numbers you're seeing.

but im a minmatar in a amarr suit

Next to Aero's LAser/ASCR combination, the amount of useful Commando loadouts has increased a little:

Tested commando L weapon combinations:
Laser+ASCR
TAC+AR
ASCR+MASS
AR/ASCR+SWARM
SNIPER+SWARM
SCR R+SCR R

Anything else im missing?

A little clarification on the above post, Alldin is trying to act all elite by fitting a proto commando with an assault suit mentality, then complaining when it doesn't do as well as the assault suit.

I mean 2 complex damage mods, really? And by doing that requiring a CPU mod for your one low? Are you honestly trying to make a glass cannon out of the largest infantry hitbox in the game?

The Commando is a support suit, not an assault suit. And it does support a lot better than the assault can because you offer a much broader versatility than any other suit (the problem is such support isn't really needed). The commando is a niche role, and if you are going to use it here's a few things you have to do,

1) The low slot goes to an armor plate. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I can already hear the shield tankers complaining because armor makes you slow, well #dealwithit

2) Equipment goes to a triage hive so you can actually rep yourself, unless you have a dedicated logi.

3) Highs go to shield extenders. I don't care what you think about how little it adds or how bad the shield regen rate is, because guess what? You have no passive armor regen. Every bit of buffer to prevent that armor from getting tapped is important.

4) You need weapons that compliment eachother in range. If you want to use AR and mass driver for "stripping away shields then tearing apart armor," well one: you are stupid for picking the AR since the AScR strips shields faster, two: by the time you switch weapons and readjust your aim you could of probably just killed the guy by sticking with your original weapon, and three: this means you are probably trying to assault which is not what the suit is for. If you're going to use a MD and AR, then you're best using the MD for getting people at range then the AR if people get close. Also shotgun on a commando is dumb, because again you're taking a slow suit with the largest infantry hitbox and trying to charge and get up close.

I mean, use what you want, that's what Dust is about, but in my opinion you're just not taking advantages of any of the suits strengths and instead trying to make it something it's not.

And ok, that is totally valid! However, you have to keep in mind this is a support suit, so suppression for the squad self defense for yourself. If you're going to try and rambo it, you'd be better off going assault and picking either the MD or AR. And since it's a support suit, stop f***ing around with damage mods. If you need more damage, get your proficiency up. Just like the logistics, who is also a support role (though a different type of support), defense is most important. You can't support if you are dead.