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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
576
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:26:00 -
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Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do.
Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything
Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability.
FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms.
Lord Byron - Had a club foot
Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything
John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind
What was your argument again?
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Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
285
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:31:00 -
[182] - Quote
And by the way, Kobra...what we do with OUR hard-earned money is OUR decision and doesn't need a "permission slip" from you on how, what and why it needs to be spent.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1105
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:31:00 -
[183] - Quote
Yeah lets get a sticky up here please. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1066
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:37:00 -
[184] - Quote
I was going to make a snark-filled comment about inbreeding, but that's just sad. I'm not going to let my hatred of his grammar heap on top of all the other bullshit he's already facing. Best of luck Quickgloves, I want you back to normal so I can dislike you again :3 |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1068
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:54:00 -
[185] - Quote
Canari Elphus wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do. Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability. FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms. Lord Byron - Had a club foot Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind What was your argument again?
Randolph Bourne - Facial disfigurement and spinal Tuberculosis. Went on to be influential in making Americans believe in a multicultural society and a non-empirical stance.
Helen Keller - Blind, Deaf, thought to be Dumb(mute), pretty sure you know her. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:02:00 -
[186] - Quote
Kingseeker Kobra wrote:I really couldn't care less about the facts, everyone here is no better than the keyboard activists on facebook
"LEL I DONATED 5 BUX TO A DEAD BABY AREN'T I A GOOD PERSON????????" is what this thread boils down to. furthermore I couldn't care less if my posts aren't sugar coated enough for the general populace, maybe reading some hard truth will open their eyes?
The right thing to do would be to put it out of it's misery. This is the second time this has happened to QG too, regnyum made fun of it the first time, and since he's not here, I'll take his place for the second round.
If you see a small animal mangled and twisted, are you going to leave it there to suffer, or are you going to end it's suffering by snapping his neck?
Do the right thing. Niether, I'm gonna go call for help so that it may be nursed back to health. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1068
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:22:00 -
[187] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:I really couldn't care less about the facts, everyone here is no better than the keyboard activists on facebook
"LEL I DONATED 5 BUX TO A DEAD BABY AREN'T I A GOOD PERSON????????" is what this thread boils down to. furthermore I couldn't care less if my posts aren't sugar coated enough for the general populace, maybe reading some hard truth will open their eyes?
The right thing to do would be to put it out of it's misery. This is the second time this has happened to QG too, regnyum made fun of it the first time, and since he's not here, I'll take his place for the second round.
If you see a small animal mangled and twisted, are you going to leave it there to suffer, or are you going to end it's suffering by snapping his neck?
Do the right thing. Niether, I'm gonna go call for help so that it may be nursed back to health.
Nicola Tesla once spent two thousand US Dollars nursing a pigeon back to health. If the father of electricity though that was worth it to save a pigeon(keep in mind inflation makes that at least 20k in Today-Bucks), what's five bucks for a human child? |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood Public Disorder.
37
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:53:00 -
[188] - Quote
Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Atiim wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Is this a joke? The baby needs to die, it's not going to have any quality of life if it survives the battery of medical problems it's had And the fact people are are stupid enough to actually give this guy money?
wow, just wow. DUDE WTF is your problem? If you were QG and in such a dire situation wouldn't you want as much funding as possible? What if that was your newborn child. I've met some pretty stupid people but never In my entire life have I ever met such a cruel, ignorant person such as yourself. Hey can we get a CCP Employee to review this? Because I believe that this is grounds for a perma-ban. Please explain to me how i'm wrong other than "WAAAAH, MY FEELINGS?" This child needs to be put out of it's misery. Furthermore, all that money is probably going straight into his pockets, it probably cost QG 2,000 dollars to even walk through the front door of the hospital you're all gullible children, and I'll be back to say "I told you so" when the kid dies/is deformed/has no quality of life from this fiasco. Sorry you're all too young to set aside your feelings and look at this objectively, but that's not my problem.
My bro was in the exact same position as 'the kid' when he was born, now he lives a normal life.
Seriously I bet if someone broke a bone you'd shoot them to 'relieve the pain'. |
virgindestroyer7
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
211
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:55:00 -
[189] - Quote
Update 16 : 10/5 7:18 pm
Weston was doing well for about 36 hours. He had been switched successfully from an oscillator to a ventilator. His morphine drip was reduced an he began to move again. His counts were also holding steady. This morning his labs were not the best. He had to have yet another transfusion. His 14th to be exact. They began to change his anti-biotic. They want to try an give him more nutrition, but are unable to because his kidneys are still not working properly an the amount of anti-biotic is keeping the doctors hands bound because of his fluid limit.
Now I am no man of false hope I fully understand Weston is sick. However I feel that I must share with you the few moments of joy that I share with Mandy an Weston in the days that we spend together.
Today Weston was moving an trying to open his eyes. He was fighting his battle an I could see it as I stared down at him. Every move he made you could see his tenacity. He actually managed to breath over the ventilator a few times today. Every beep that machine made was like a surge of energy for Mandy and I. A sign of hope way off in the distance.
Mandy an I were blessed with the support of are cousins today. They stood by us these last 2 days giving us support through love an comedy. You guys kept us focused on the good things. An we thank you for being here.
A women came to Mandy an I at the hospital the other day. She offered words of encouragement. she handed Mandy and I a Guardian angel medal an a prayer. Mandy an I have been praying to Weston's guardian angel now every day and we will continue every day for as long as we both live. Wes, you are a beacon of light an hope for all of us.
The war is far from won, But today even with the transfusion, and changes made to antibiotics, it was a good day. Wes every day you fight to be with us is a good day an I will never take that for granted. Thank you for being in my life. |
DiGreatDestroyer
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
27
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:05:00 -
[190] - Quote
Bump |
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Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
290
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:07:00 -
[191] - Quote
Back to the top! |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1914
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:38:00 -
[192] - Quote
Bump |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:21:00 -
[193] - Quote
How can we help If we aren't in a position where we can donate .. i want to support somehow |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
53
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:23:00 -
[194] - Quote
Don't worry QG. You'll make it through this. You and your son.
Then when you and your son grow old you can tell your grandchildren the story of dust and how all of it's players, be itman and woman, young and old, FEC and EON, Mimmitar and Amarr, or Gallente and Caldari all banded together to save the lives of one of their own.
Why? Because were a family, and as far as were concerned, so is your son.
May your son live and prosper. Despite what Kobra want's. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
81
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:24:00 -
[195] - Quote
Kingseeker Kobra wrote: Please explain to me how i'm wrong other than "WAAAAH, MY FEELINGS?"
This child needs to be put out of it's misery.
Furthermore, all that money is probably going straight into his pockets, it probably cost QG 2,000 dollars to even walk through the front door of the hospital
you're all gullible children, and I'll be back to say "I told you so" when the kid dies/is deformed/has no quality of life from this fiasco.
Sorry you're all too young to set aside your feelings and look at this objectively, but that's not my problem.
Can i come to your house and beat the living sh*t out of you, you n*zi sadistic f*ck? okay? thanks
edit: ON SECOND thought .... I think the father of this son should get your f*cking address and beat you himself... anybody agree? |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
53
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Posted - 2013.10.06 02:27:00 -
[196] - Quote
Xaviah Reaper wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote: Please explain to me how i'm wrong other than "WAAAAH, MY FEELINGS?"
This child needs to be put out of it's misery.
Furthermore, all that money is probably going straight into his pockets, it probably cost QG 2,000 dollars to even walk through the front door of the hospital
you're all gullible children, and I'll be back to say "I told you so" when the kid dies/is deformed/has no quality of life from this fiasco.
Sorry you're all too young to set aside your feelings and look at this objectively, but that's not my problem.
Can i come to your house and beat the living sh*t out of you, you n*zi sadistic f*ck? okay? thanks OOOOOOON SECOND thought .... I think the father of this son should get your f*cking address and beat you himself... anybody agree? Hey, when you do ask yourself, "What would Larry do?" And then beat 'em even harder for me. Thx |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
294
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:01:00 -
[197] - Quote
Xaviah Reaper wrote:How can we help If we aren't in a position where we can donate .. i want to support somehow
There are some links where you can donate on here, probably in the first couple of pages. If not, his STB brothers and VD7 will probably come in here shortly with links. |
Sephirian Fair
0uter.Heaven
100
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:26:00 -
[198] - Quote
virgindestroyer7 wrote:Update 16 : 10/5 7:18 pm
Weston was doing well for about 36 hours. He had been switched successfully from an oscillator to a ventilator. His morphine drip was reduced an he began to move again. His counts were also holding steady. This morning his labs were not the best. He had to have yet another transfusion. His 14th to be exact. They began to change his anti-biotic. They want to try an give him more nutrition, but are unable to because his kidneys are still not working properly an the amount of anti-biotic is keeping the doctors hands bound because of his fluid limit.
Now I am no man of false hope I fully understand Weston is sick. However I feel that I must share with you the few moments of joy that I share with Mandy an Weston in the days that we spend together.
Today Weston was moving an trying to open his eyes. He was fighting his battle an I could see it as I stared down at him. Every move he made you could see his tenacity. He actually managed to breath over the ventilator a few times today. Every beep that machine made was like a surge of energy for Mandy and I. A sign of hope way off in the distance.
Mandy an I were blessed with the support of are cousins today. They stood by us these last 2 days giving us support through love an comedy. You guys kept us focused on the good things. An we thank you for being here.
A women came to Mandy an I at the hospital the other day. She offered words of encouragement. she handed Mandy and I a Guardian angel medal an a prayer. Mandy an I have been praying to Weston's guardian angel now every day and we will continue every day for as long as we both live. Wes, you are a beacon of light an hope for all of us.
The war is far from won, But today even with the transfusion, and changes made to antibiotics, it was a good day. Wes every day you fight to be with us is a good day an I will never take that for granted. Thank you for being in my life.
By the time I got through this, I couldn't control the tears rolling down my face. My heart aches so much for QG's family right now and my prayers go out Weston. I hope he is able to pull through. That is too much for any family to have to go through. Just... Good luck Weston. |
SUNNY THE NINJA
Immortal Retribution
53
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:39:00 -
[199] - Quote
Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Is this a joke? The baby needs to die, it's not going to have any quality of life if it survives the battery of medical problems it's had And the fact people are are stupid enough to actually give this guy money?
wow, just wow.
Lol, you're a bad potato, and don't deserve to be in a salad...
Stay away from my salad.... |
Kae Kbeng
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
24
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:54:00 -
[200] - Quote
Despite Kobra's comments, though hurtful, have also kept this thread at the top with the replies to his comments.
Anyhow, the rest of us are here for the little child.
Let us focus our energy on Weston.
All loving parent/guardians will hang on to any slither of hope for their child. This is a different kind of battle, where a new dawn with your child means there is still hope for his recovery.
Stay strong and keep the faith... |
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
72
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:59:00 -
[201] - Quote
Canari Elphus wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do. Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability. FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms. Lord Byron - Had a club foot Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind What was your argument again?
I think he's trolling. No one can seriously think that everyone with a disability would be better off dead. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1030
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:04:00 -
[202] - Quote
This is just One great example about how much better this community is compared to other ones. Reading most of these comments just gives me strange warm feelings that I can only equate to as emotions
Medical technology these days is amazing and because of that im pretty hopeful things will even out eventually. But make no mistake, theres still a rough road ahead.
At any rate, best of luck to QG. I really do hope everything turns out good, and I believe that theres a good chance it will! |
IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness
62
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:07:00 -
[203] - Quote
For all the crap eve (and dust by extension) gets for being a wretched hive of scum and villianry it warms my cold black heart to see us pull together when something bad happens to one of our own. I'll definitely contribute to this once get back home. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1030
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:13:00 -
[204] - Quote
Toby Flenderson wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do. Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability. FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms. Lord Byron - Had a club foot Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind What was your argument again? I think he's trolling. No one can seriously think that everyone with a disability would be better off dead.
The Spartans did? I thought? Not that I endorse the act, but it is a pretty simple and effective way to keeping mutations out of a population. I mean, think about it, how are mutations going to be passed on if everyone who gets one is put down? From a genetics stand point it makes sense to do that because the more the technique is practiced the less it will have to be practiced over time.
Imagine a world where nobody was at risk of things like Huntington's disease, or Taysachs disease, or Alzheimer's. All of these are genetic mix ups that could have been avoided if the person who passed down those genes wasn't able to in the first place.
But nope. We live in a "morale based society" these days. So that sort of practice wont ever be likely to pass or at least not for a very long time. Meh.... honestly I would look more for a cure to these deformities rather then a quick fix like that. Cures would make the whole practice unnecessary. lol, anyway back to the main point of the post....... I wish QG good luck with his son. Hes been excited about him for months now and I would hate to see things go wrong for the second time in a row..... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
54
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:35:00 -
[205] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do. Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability. FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms. Lord Byron - Had a club foot Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind What was your argument again? I think he's trolling. No one can seriously think that everyone with a disability would be better off dead. The Spartans did? I thought? Not that I endorse the act, but it is a pretty simple and effective way to keeping mutations out of a population. I mean, think about it, how are mutations going to be passed on if everyone who gets one is put down? From a genetics stand point it makes sense to do that because the more the technique is practiced the less it will have to be practiced over time. Imagine a world where nobody was at risk of things like Huntington's disease, or Taysachs disease, or Alzheimer's. All of these are genetic mix ups that could have been avoided if the person who passed down those genes wasn't able to in the first place. But nope. We live in a "morale based society" these days. So that sort of practice wont ever be likely to pass or at least not for a very long time. Meh.... honestly I would look more for a cure to these deformities rather then a quick fix like that. Cures would make the whole practice unnecessary. lol, anyway back to the main point of the post....... I wish QG good luck with his son. Hes been excited about him for months now and I would hate to see things go wrong for the second time in a row..... Please take this seriously, as I am not trolling when I say this, but what happened the first time? All I know is that Reygnum made fun of QG for it, as I was not here long enough to know. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
73
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:37:00 -
[206] - Quote
I've read through a couple of the Kobra's comments and quotes and I think there are a few things to be said. I've looked through this thread a few times (but not nearly all of it) and if I say something that someone else has addressed, forgive me.
The first thing I noticed was this from the website linked by the OP... "We are just trying to raise some money so they can be closer to their son"
Kobra, what is wrong with this? I get that you're sucking the utility argument **** all over this thread but riddle me this: regardless of the outcome of this child's complications/treatment, why would the parents being closer to their child be a bad thing? I think I saw before that you discouraged people sending money partially on the grounds of it not being able to take significant financial strain off of the parents but it would help them be closer to their child. The contributions made by these generous people would have an enormous impact on the parents no matter what happens so why isn't this considered in your analysis of the overall utility of the situation?
Full disclosure, I support euthanasia in the following cases for different reasons... 1. A person wishing their life to end and deciding that they would prefer to die rather than live. 2. A person leaving behind instructions on what to do if unable to make medical decisions on their own (say, while in a coma). 3. A person unable to give consent but has no chance of survival and will endure pain until death.
Each of these cases is complicated with its own reasons for or against, but ultimately I have been in favor of euthanasia after careful thought.
****I should probably make it completely clear that I DO NOT feel that this situation falls into any of the three cases.
The thing about you, Kobra, is you give me the impression of someone who has not yet thought of all of the consequences to the arguments that you're using here either purposely for shock value or because you just didn't think enough before coming to your conclusion on the matter.
For example, you use the utility argument that boils down to "society would have more money if they didn't keep the disabled alive". Let me just remind you that this would mean that researchers, doctors, or anyone who has made a career out of helping the disabled or sick would probably lose their job. Society would have no use to try and improve on current medical treatments for these people and medical science would basically slow to a halt. I know this is sort of a slippery slope argument but not really. My main point is that you're not thinking about what your black and white implications mean past the initial "I'm the Dr. House that everyone is afraid to be but not me, I'm bold" factor.
I will just skip the emotional utility counterargument as I'm sure everyone else on this thread has demonstrated it well enough.
Basically I just see you as a bully. People might be ganging up on you because it offends them but it doesn't offend me at all. Say whatever you want but don't hide behind the utility principle like a shield because it's a weak shield at best. I'm calling you out on it.
Please just remember that you don't have ethics on your side and that there's at least someone who sees through it as just a way for you to rebel against modern social norms. If you wish to continue a debate on the moral issues involved with euthanasia I'd be happy to start another thread but considering you've made your opinion known here the only thing you stand to gain from continuing to discourage people form donating money is the satisfaction that you're potentially keeping grieving parents away from their sick child.
Looking forward to hearing back from you, or better yet, not at all.
I don't believe in any god but I do hope that things work out for the affected parents. I can't imagine how hard this must be for them.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
75
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:03:00 -
[207] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:Canari Elphus wrote: So, by your logic any child born with a disability should be euthanized immediately.
Yes, absolutely. Think of the money society would save not having to pay their medical bills, conform to their standards (i.e. laws mandating ramps, demanding everywhere is "handicap accessible", etc.), reduce a good chunk of the world's population and thus saving on food, water, electricity, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a better place and you cannot possibly deny this. you can't tell me from an objective standpoint the euthanization of disabled children isn't a great idea. It's just like "humanitarian aid" for starving kids in africa now instead of 20 starving kids in africa, there's 20,000 starving kids in africa...all in the name of help. 20,000 more souls that are suffering every single day because people think they're "helping" them why can't people accept the fact that a lot of these cases are better off dead? that's the humane thing to do. Yeah, our world would be so much better without disabled people... because they cant accomplish anything Albert Einstein - Could not speak until he was 3 and had a learning disability. FDR - Had Polio but went on to be one of the greatest presidents in US history. Was elected to 4 terms. Lord Byron - Had a club foot Stephen Hawkings - Yeah, he hasnt done anything John Forbes Nash - Schizophrenia... might know him from A Beautiful Mind What was your argument again? I think he's trolling. No one can seriously think that everyone with a disability would be better off dead. The Spartans did? I thought? Not that I endorse the act, but it is a pretty simple and effective way to keeping mutations out of a population. I mean, think about it, how are mutations going to be passed on if everyone who gets one is put down? From a genetics stand point it makes sense to do that because the more the technique is practiced the less it will have to be practiced over time. Imagine a world where nobody was at risk of things like Huntington's disease, or Taysachs disease, or Alzheimer's. All of these are genetic mix ups that could have been avoided if the person who passed down those genes wasn't able to in the first place. But nope. We live in a "morale based society" these days. So that sort of practice wont ever be likely to pass or at least not for a very long time. Meh.... honestly I would look more for a cure to these deformities rather then a quick fix like that. Cures would make the whole practice unnecessary. lol, anyway back to the main point of the post....... I wish QG good luck with his son. Hes been excited about him for months now and I would hate to see things go wrong for the second time in a row.....
There's a reason we don't look back on ancient civilizations and think "why don't we still do that?". It's a simple and effective way to keep anything you want out of the population. Jews for example. Mutations need to be eradicated. Not people with mutations. I'd rather die from any disease than think my kids would be killed for being born blind or having an extra finger.
The eugenics debate is based completely on morality. Competing moral principles for or against. It seems that society (well at least western) has made up its mind about it. |
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
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Let's keep warm thoughts toward a member of our community in a time of great hardship. Please take other discussions elsewhere.
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Kingseeker Kobra wrote:
I'd gladly post on my main had CCP not banned me for exposing their ineptitude.
Ccp....please just get the ip ban over with already.
Quick, Prayers coming out for ya buddy. Virtual hug coming in real hot |
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