well, it depends, right?

if you use a scanner, and you know where your mark is, then yeah, it's tough as nails. but you won't be able to take down two before reload.

I use an smg (a toxin due to my lackluster core skills) with my laser rifle. the rifle stops doing damage at 50m, and the smg can do damage okay at 20m. so, it's a pretty big dead zone.

with the md you get less dead zone, but it's not quite as effective.

with the ar, it's like having two ar's.

Indeed +1. When i tried using the plasma cannon i skillend into Minmatar Assault JUST for the SMG clip bonus.

1 plasma shot (some AV capacity too) and 100 SMG bullets do,kind of work XD[/b]

Kinetic weapons have a pretty good damage profile.

it is not entirely kinetic, the SMG uses either Carbonized Lead or Titanium Sabot rounds which also do tiny amounts of explosive damage :)

Disagree.

The reason why you need to get sharpshooter is simple.

Sharpshooter reduces dispersion, turning the spray into a nice tight hailstorm of bullets. This also increases DPS with accuracy, as more and more bullets will end up on target.

Also, you can fire longer before it turns into a spray. At high levels (3-5) you can hipfire it in long bursts with AMAZING accuracy, even at a distance.

It is necessary to truly make the SMG shine.

Real (Wo)men run it on a Logi Suit.

YES!

the dual Ishukone SMG is amazing and I run it on a minmatar scout.

You can dual them with proto and enough CPU / PG upgrades.

You want a speed fit even though now viability of scout speed fits is questionable. I have seen some successful scouts running Dual Ishukones.

You can run a decent fit with m1 scout + Ish main and a breach SMG offhand. The Breach helps with ranged engagements

really fun fit.

Real (Wo)men run it on a Logi Suit.

I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG?

Yeah. It's a console game, which means you spam L1 & R1 as fast as possible, and auto aim does the rest. Works for pretty much any gun in any console game ever created. Enjoy.

SMG's out dmg HMG's at all but in your face ranges (<5m). Why would you not want one?

SMG's out dmg HMG's at all but in your face ranges (<5m). Why would you not want one?

I honestly feel BAD for heavies when i turn them to MUSH in CQC.

SMG SQUAD FTW INDEED.

PSSST Dont tell anyone but i think we all went proto SMG after last weeks escapades Should be a fun weekend!

I'm a CQC person. I think it can be at least better than a GEK. Duvolle with prof 5 anf 3 complex damage mods... no.

max possible dps on HMG is ~890 which you can reliable do around 10m and will still deal ~2/3 of this dps at 20m if you can AIM. I would really like to see an SMG doing such amounts of damage.

I agree. I have only prof 2 and sharpshooter 2 and I prefer it to the GEK prof 3 sharpshooter 3 anywhere within range. I also run minmatar assault suits though so the clip bonus is a big part of it.

I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG?

I run a dual SMG fit on my Minmatar Assault, and have gone 25/4 with 16 assists in one match.

Its beast if you actually take the time to aim, and the recoil will actually give you a headshot if you start at center mass.

Right now my fit includes a complex sidearm damage mod, and will have two when my suit is proto. I am also running an Assault SMG with a regular SMG as my secondary, but I think that I am going to switch it to a Breach soon.

When the Magsec comes out (whenever that is ) I will try to fit that on my suit, as supposedly, its base form is 'long range'.

Absolutely true. Using the Toxin SMG, SMG Sharpshooter 5, and feathering has gotten me a few kills at ranges the other guy was probably calling BS. At least at times when the game was registering my hits.

My advice, don't use a breach. The assault is better to no end trust me. The breach may have power but is slower, more recoil. You'll be missing more and it ALSO to boot has less ammo in a clip. Run dual Ishukone Assault, the best I've ever gone with that fit is 41-1, and bloody hell it is a strong fit, don't go breach.

I want a breach, because I panic when people are too close, and the slower ROF will actually give me a chance to still kill them. 3 of the 4 death in the match I mentioned in post were from people closing on me and circling me or nearby terrain.

However, two Assault SMGs would allow to keep the engagement at longer range.

I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG?