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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:55:00 -
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I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG? |
Azrael Arcturus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:59:00 -
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Not at all. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:00:00 -
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Azrael Arcturus wrote:Not at all.
I'm a CQC person. I think it can be at least better than a GEK. Duvolle with prof 5 anf 3 complex damage mods... no. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:01:00 -
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There is nothing stopping you...
I know a guy that uses scrambler pistol as a primary. scary bastard at times. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:03:00 -
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It has been a fleeting thought. I have switched to my SMG to have some impressive results. It's tight fire has lay down many opponents while they blasted away with their GEKs. Check it out and let us know... |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
288
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There is nothing stopping you...
I know a guy that uses scrambler pistol as a primary. scary bastard at times.
That's because it's the 3rd best gun in the game right now. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:04:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG?
YES.
Well i dont know about the rest ofthe community. This was my man weapon as a scout.
I THINK the assault SMG WAS DESIGNED (Wait for your mind to be blown ) as a Logi's MAIN weapon.
It has decent range and believe it or not, i havnt lost a 1 v 1 engagement with it (25mts or less).
THEN AGAIN, i DID use it as a scout so i could close the gap and take full advantage of the higher RoF.
Another thing i did with it was , not too long ago, used the Six Kin SMg and the Flaylock pistol with 2 Cx Sidearm Mods in my Amarr logi (i was playing FULL SUPPORT, and did not do too shabby in negagements).
The problem is , you NEED TO AIM. The SMG IS NOT a spray and pray weapon,unlike the AR, its effectiveness is GREATLY reduced while srpraying and praying.
IMO, IT IS a good replacement for an AR.
The main drawback is how big maps are lately, the AR having a goodchunk of range advantage. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There is nothing stopping you...
I know a guy that uses scrambler pistol as a primary. scary bastard at times.
I know several. The cult is well connected. You are lucky to know one of us. Now Silencio! |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
288
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:06:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG? YES.
Well i dont know about the rest of the community. This was my main weapon as a scout.
I THINK the assault SMG WAS DESIGNED (Wait for your mind to be blown ) as a Logi's MAIN weapon.
It has decent range and believe it or not, i havnt lost a 1 v 1 engagement with it (25mts or less).
THEN AGAIN, i DID use it as a scout so i could close the gap and take full advantage of the higher RoF.
Another thing i did with it was , not too long ago, used the Six Kin SMg and the Flaylock pistol with 2 Cx Sidearm Mods in my Amarr logi (i was playing FULL SUPPORT, and did not do too shabby in negagements).
The problem is , you NEED TO AIM. The SMG IS NOT a spray and pray weapon,unlike the AR, its effectiveness is GREATLY reduced while srpraying and praying.
IMO, IT IS a good replacement for an AR.
The main drawback is how big maps are lately, the AR having a goodchunk of range advantage.
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:08:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage.
Im not sure if sharpshooter increases RANGE to be honest. Doesnt it reduce dispersion rate per level?
(i dont know, its the only think im not skilled into with SMG's...) |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
289
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage.
Im not sure if sharpshooter increases RANGE to be honest. Doesnt it reduce dispersion rate per level?
(i dont know, its the only think im not skilled into with SMG's...)
They use to make it shoot further in chrome, but in uprising they made is dispersion. I want all shots to hit. That's why I['m skilled in it. |
Ghost Kaisar
Pradox One
400
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I have a question. If you have SMG prof 4, and sharpshooter 4, and using the assault ishikune version, can it be a good AR replacement for short to mid range combat to conserve CPU/PG?
Yes it can. You can flat out SHRED though people if you are accurate.
Trying running dual assault SMG on a Minnie Assault suit.
200 bullets before the reload  |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1382
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Azrael Arcturus wrote:Not at all. I'm a CQC person. I think it can be at least better than a GEK. Duvolle with prof 5 anf 3 complex damage mods... no.
Then you just answered your own question. AR will still out DPS...
... until they nerf it. /shrug |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1014
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:18:00 -
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I have a CQC logi build that has a SMG only. Works nice in the right places and makes a fun run if you like up close stuff. I like the wide dispersion at low levels because it is kind of like a shotgun and makes people think twice. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
608
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:18:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage.
Im not sure if sharpshooter increases RANGE to be honest. Doesnt it reduce dispersion rate per level?
(i dont know, its the only think im not skilled into with SMG's...) They use to make it shoot further in chrome, but in uprising they made is dispersion. I want all shots to hit. That's why I['m skilled in it.
I can confirm it's the most important SMG skill to level up after Proficiency.
I rely very much on the SMG because my main weapon is the TAR. I use a M209, Proficiency 3 and Sharpshooter 4 and it's a beast. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:19:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage.
Im not sure if sharpshooter increases RANGE to be honest. Doesnt it reduce dispersion rate per level?
(i dont know, its the only think im not skilled into with SMG's...) They use to make it shoot further in chrome, but in uprising they made is dispersion. I want all shots to hit. That's why I['m skilled in it.
I know what you mean. But you can also aim XD
No offense;but i dont have a single sniper skill into my SMGs and i really dont think i miss at all...
The SMG is actually VERY precise while under the reflex sight. |
broonfondle majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
285
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:24:00 -
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My logi fit uses SMG as a main. For me the assault shines because of the extra ammo capacity so I don't end up having to use hive resources on myself so often. Also a short ranged weapon makes you rely on your team for certain engagements so you can concentrate on repping and reviving others while still having a brilliant weapon when the enemy start pushing back.
On larger maps I am moving towards using the Burst AR though |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
562
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:51:00 -
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As it stands it's the best primary weapon for a tanky scout. The only way to play a scout now is to tank it to be a mini medium frame, by the time you are done doing that you don't have much CPU left, so SMG is the best choice IMO. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:51:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:
I can confirm it's the most important SMG skill to level up after Proficiency. (Sniper skill)
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Actually IMO is the one that gives you more ammo.
SPECIALLY if you are going to use it as MAIN.
the SMG burns through bullets like i do through cigarretes while playing dust...... |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
289
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:
That's what I thought. And that's the reason for sharpshooter 4, and of course prof 4 for more damage.
Im not sure if sharpshooter increases RANGE to be honest. Doesnt it reduce dispersion rate per level?
(i dont know, its the only think im not skilled into with SMG's...) They use to make it shoot further in chrome, but in uprising they made is dispersion. I want all shots to hit. That's why I['m skilled in it. I know what you mean. But you can also aim XDNo offense;but i dont have a single sniper skill into my SMGs and i really dont think i miss at all...If i die is because i lost the DPS war (or you know, because i run around in a 400 HP scout) The SMG is actually VERY precise while under the reflex sight.
The thing is, where the SMG starts getting less accurate, the skill will make it more accurate, so you don't have to worry about people getting out of range as much. |
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Chances Ghost
ThisIsWhyWeCantHaveNiceThings
1129
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:19:00 -
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within its optimal if you start shooting first then its a match for the AR, if they are shooting you first however, RUN.
its a weapon for suits that can dictate the engagement range as well as disengage if things arnt favorable.
this means its best on scouts and minmatar assault (logi as well depending on the build)
my 2 main guns are mass drivers and SMGs.
shotguns are your bane, so make sure you keep range on them and dance.
its all about getting inside the SMG optimal |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
289
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:21:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:within its optimal if you start shooting first then its a match for the AR, if they are shooting you first however, RUN.
its a weapon for suits that can dictate the engagement range as well as disengage if things arnt favorable.
this means its best on scouts and minmatar assault (logi as well depending on the build)
my 2 main guns are mass drivers and SMGs.
shotguns are your bane, so make sure you keep range on them and dance.
its all about getting inside the SMG optimal
Scrambler Rifle/Pistol are still better than those guns SMG is my backup for the Pistol. |
low genius
the sound of freedom
Renegade Alliance
619
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:25:00 -
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well, it depends, right?
if you use a scanner, and you know where your mark is, then yeah, it's tough as nails. but you won't be able to take down two before reload.
I use an smg (a toxin due to my lackluster core skills) with my laser rifle. the rifle stops doing damage at 50m, and the smg can do damage okay at 20m. so, it's a pretty big dead zone.
with the md you get less dead zone, but it's not quite as effective.
with the ar, it's like having two ar's. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2028
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:27:00 -
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The smg is an excellent weapon when used as a primary, pending proper use of optimal ranges. With the scout's mobility it is very nice and it also is an excellent weapon for Logis looking for more CPU/PG without giving up stopping power. They also typically don't logi in open terrain so you can make good use of the range while repping.
A minmatar suit can also increase the amount of ammo in the clip, giving you the range and dps of the assault smg with 100 rounds in a clip. Its a big deal lol. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:34:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:The smg is an excellent weapon when used as a primary, pending proper use of optimal ranges. With the scout's mobility it is very nice and it also is an excellent weapon for Logis looking for more CPU/PG without giving up stopping power. They also typically don't logi in open terrain so you can make good use of the range while repping.
A minmatar suit can also increase the amount of ammo in the clip, giving you the range and dps of the assault smg with 100 rounds in a clip. Its a big deal lol.
Indeed +1. When i tried using the plasma cannon i skillend into Minmatar Assault JUST for the SMG clip bonus.
1 plasma shot (some AV capacity too) and 100 SMG bullets do,kind of work XD |
Ghost Kaisar
Pradox One
401
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:
I can confirm it's the most important SMG skill to level up after Proficiency. (Sniper skill)
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Actually IMO is the one that gives you more ammo.
SPECIALLY if you are going to use it as MAIN.
the SMG burns through bullets like i do through cigarretes while playing dust......
Disagree.
The reason why you need to get sharpshooter is simple.
Sharpshooter reduces dispersion, turning the spray into a nice tight hailstorm of bullets. This also increases DPS with accuracy, as more and more bullets will end up on target.
Also, you can fire longer before it turns into a spray. At high levels (3-5) you can hipfire it in long bursts with AMAZING accuracy, even at a distance.
It is necessary to truly make the SMG shine. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:41:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:
I can confirm it's the most important SMG skill to level up after Proficiency. (Sniper skill)
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Actually IMO is the one that gives you more ammo.
SPECIALLY if you are going to use it as MAIN.
the SMG burns through bullets like i do through cigarretes while playing dust...... Disagree. The reason why you need to get sharpshooter is simple. Sharpshooter reduces dispersion, turning the spray into a nice tight hailstorm of bullets. This also increases DPS with accuracy, as more and more bullets will end up on target. Also, you can fire longer before it turns into a spray. At high levels (3-5) you can hipfire it in long bursts with AMAZING accuracy, even at a distance. It is necessary to truly make the SMG shine.
Well i guess Me playing CLOSE and with SMG as main i prefer more ammo capacity than less dispersion rate on a weapon that aimed doesnt have that much (at 20-15mts less).
But everyone is entitled to their opinion i guess. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:The smg is an excellent weapon when used as a primary, pending proper use of optimal ranges. With the scout's mobility it is very nice and it also is an excellent weapon for Logis looking for more CPU/PG without giving up stopping power. They also typically don't logi in open terrain so you can make good use of the range while repping.
A minmatar suit can also increase the amount of ammo in the clip, giving you the range and dps of the assault smg with 100 rounds in a clip. Its a big deal lol.
Indeed +1. When i tried using the plasma cannon i skillend into Minmatar Assault JUST for the SMG clip bonus.
1 plasma shot (some AV capacity too) and 100 SMG bullets do,kind of work XD
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
153
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:31:00 -
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You know how it goes in these forums...
NERF THE SMG!!! |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
392
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:43:00 -
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SMG all around great gun
I use it as a main on my AV fits and dual SMG fits
even as my sidearm to the SG in most situations I switch to the SMG |
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