Also just the simple fact that they've added even MORE SP sink skills that you're forced to pick up as a vehicle user.

These are skills that you never would have not trained, and SP you may have placed elsewhere would not have been purchased had you known of these new mandatory skills.

No point with a full repec until All the racial suits and weapons are out... along side the vehicles...

No point with a full repec until All the racial suits and weapons are out... along side the vehicles...

I can somewhat agree with this, I mean it would be nice if we could limit it to simply one final respec once everything is ready. However, I do not particularly see the harm in doing a couple respecs along the way so long as you have a clear stopping point where everyone is clear no more repsecs will be given (i.e. when all core racial suits and vehicles are released).

Respec's are stupid... I Won't say that I will not re-perfect skills for the current times if they are offered... but that really changes the game drastically...

Respec's will only hurt new players more... and benefit high skill point characters to stupid amounts...

We have done this and that is what happened... not to say we didn't like it ;)

If skill multiplyer's are tweaked or how the hierarchy works? CCP is always good at Reimbursing those skill point's so players can re allocate...

But nothing more then that should ever be offered...

It's game breaking... and all of you that can't see you are selfish.

You really want maxed out vehicle driver's the first day? You just asking for problem's with balance again. it all seems... well ^

You really want maxed out vehicle driver's the first day? You just asking for problem's with balance again. it all seems... well ^

No point with a full repec until All the racial suits and weapons are out... along side the vehicles...

It ain't never going to happen. Why? Because last time they did a respec it was a huge pain in the ass for them to do.

It ain't never going to happen. Why? Because last time they did a respec it was a huge pain in the ass for them to do. I doubt their system is streamlined so they can easily perform it. Took them 2 months to get to some people from what I remember so I doubt they will ever want to revisit that again ever just because they got other work to do.

People always bitching about wanting this and wanting that, well if you respec people got your way the next two patches would never happen because they would have all their resources focused on the respec. Then people would whine about the patches being pushed back yada yada yada.

Then soon after the respec would be completed an entirely fresh batch of idiots would be clambering about having another respec because their dumb asses spent it wrong or they didn't take advantage of the last one. So long story short a big hell ******* no!!! I would like this game to actually flesh itself out and get new features instead. kthxbai!

Theres countless reasons everyone should get respecs, and the only reason against them is herp derp FOTM!!!
Except there are no FOTMs, ARs? Everyone already has duvolles, we always have. FGs? Most people specced into FGs at the beginning of uprising..
Really if you don't think there should be a respec, you're preety damn ret@rded.

Even I am in favor of a full respec.

You guys may not grasp how huge that is but that's pretty major for me to say that.

You drive armor tanked HAVs, but you still have to wear a dropsuit while driving it. So you decided to pick a heavy frame with a forge gun just in case you need to counter something long range.

lolwut

Do you even tank?

Look, what's the difference between first day and the 100th day? If it's not balanced then it's not balanced. And hurting new players? Given enough time anyone can max out any skill set, yet there will always be new players. So if you think this will give too big an advantage to long time players over new players, then why in the future would it be any different? I'm sorry, but your arguments don't hold much weight, any problems that would be created are not because of the respec but because of the game itself.

You don't get it... ill say it again....Respec's have happened and That is what happened already... if you want it again then sure we will have a massive balance problem and lack of diversity in the game again sure? but its still selfish.

And yes this will hurt new players by simple logic no matter the silly argument that eventually they will catch up... Yes there are maxed out vehicle drivers...

But the tree is being reworked... and stuff added... So no that won't always be the case... nore should you go from one maxed out extreme to another... because some new content is added to the game... That's just a MEMEME attitude...

When more stuff is added to the game that has been launched longer then a majority of titles you have picked up for PS3 or have even played for half that time... Then Yes there will be some new stuff you can get skill point's for and level into... not get a respec...

The pure conception that every time they add something that you want instead they should let you redo everything... Is delusional... Its the way everyone is trying to push DUST, a game on "easy" mode all the time.... mentality... And frankly its getting tiring. And killing the game...

The respecs that happened in the past did not break the game. The horribly "balanced" Tac AR + Cal Logi were the things that broke the game. CCP has balanced(nerfed) them back into a comfortable spot.

Respecs won't hurt new players... Why? chances are they spread themselves too thin to use anything above std. A respec could be there very thing that gets some of them back on track. Matchmaking if re worked to skill points instead of skill level, may work a lot better to keep vets from stomping newberries.

DUST is too much MMO and not enough FPS. This is what drives players away. FPS games allow you to specialize and re specialize as the battlefield calls for it. DUST allows you to specialize and pretty much sit there content in your specialization. You spec into smgs and scouts for speedy close quarters combat. Map rotation puts you in wide open maps for the next 10 matches with no way to re specialize as the battlefield warrants.

Oh but wait! You can re specialize in a matter of weeks/ months if you grind and cap out every chance you get.... New players look at this like "WTF?", then leave.

This game needs monthly respecs that cost $5-10 worth of Aurum, with ISK variants priced at 50-100mil ISK. CCP gets more Aurum sales. Players get more diversity in the game. Decisions matter for that month. Noobs and vets are happy.

What's wrong with that again?

TAC AR was modded controllers... thats why they changed them... otherwise the SCR would of been "balanced" long ago...

Cal logi didn't even get a nerf till how long ago... But none of that is what did it....

We went from players with good gun and core skills to players with proto suit's and bad other skills... We skipped the learning or gradual skill allocation in the game and went straight for end game. That's what unbalanced thing's... then everyone was running around in full proto...

Any new player coming to DUST after that was in matches with full proto...

The MMO part is what addict's people to DUST and makes them have a hard time leaving.... the FPS part has become boring and random 1 shot death's has ruined it's depth. Ambush don't even work right.

The 50 clone ambush isn't the last man standing... its whatever the server register's got to 0 clones first... 4 clones left? who cares the entire team can spawn.... You got 8 team mates left and their side is wiped? Meh you loose anyway...

Respec's are a death rattle for any game.... it's something that completely ruin's depth and diversity into any game... Ruins specialties.. Ruins Merc's individual worth in the galaxy... that's just MMO's....

Respecs would help diversity.

Oh but wait! You can re specialize in a matter of weeks/ months if you grind and cap out every chance you get.... New players look at this like "WTF?", then leave.

This game needs monthly respecs that cost $5-10 worth of Aurum, with ISK variants priced at 50-100mil ISK. CCP gets more Aurum sales. Players get more diversity in the game. Decisions matter for that month. Noobs and vets are happy.

What's wrong with that again?

You obviously don't understand FOTM and DUST.... and it makes me sad that you make long post's.

Pretty sure this joker wants constant respecs.

But, back to the point Aero, you have a valid argument, I just don't agree with it philosophically. I also think that if we set the precedent that every time one tree gets changed, we get a full respec, you're on the slippery slope to 2, 3, 4 more respecs in the next several months: Oh wait, I want to change something again, I forgot to do it with the respec we got 5 weeks ago, now you added the assault drop ships back, I know 1/3 of the racial weapons aren't in yet and the suits are 3 months away, but can I haz another respect plz?

I know, right? The example doesn't even make sense, how are respecs going to help you adapt to changing battle conditions? Should we just abandon that mechanic altogether and everyone gets access to everything? Or, are you going to respec on the respawn screen? What game are you playing?

Wow, you said it twice, so that must be the greatest argument ever.

Once someone resorts to the sky is falling tactic, with nothing else to support their opinion, their role in the discussion ends as far as I'm concerned. Aero, I personally don't think it's the way to go but you have a valid argument. In fact, if your way ends up using the least amount f CCPs resources and streamlines things to make playtesting easier, maybe I can even get behind it. Either way all the white noise surrounding this topic is tiresome.

I guess we will see how CCPs coin flip goes, lol.

Either a respect is necessary or perhaps even a simulation battlefield/ machine for corporations where testing fits, weapons, and such, etc is possible without the necessary skills allowing players to figure out what they want to do with their SP and ISK before skilling into the actually items.

They should have a respec button u can use ONLY once and it should be per account, not per character. If u decide to use it now, then thats it (NO MORE RESPEC FOR U!), or u can choose to hold to it and use it when theres a patch CCP releases that u do like (of course if u use it then, then thats it for u too).

Also just the simple fact that they've added even MORE SP sink skills that you're forced to pick up as a vehicle user.

These are skills that you never would have not trained, and SP you may have placed elsewhere would not have been purchased had you known of these new mandatory skills.

And the last respec (after official release) was over a few typos and some bad press. This literally guts the entire tree, removes 10 vehicles, introduces a slew of new mandatory skills, changes turret functionality completely, and overall completely alters the way each vehicle class is played.

Expect heavy AV nerfs in the future as well, if they decide to stick with their current plan for vehicles.

all of you people opposing respec's do realize what they're doing to the vehicle skill tree right?

• they're removing vehicle roles such as the logi and assault dropship : what exactly do you want to happen to sp invested in these skills just go away like it never existed?


• they're combining the caldari and gallente vehicle operation skills : so what will happen to this sp the same as the above


• they're adding new skills as prerequisites for skills we already have : so will we just be able to skip these?

and much more a respec is the only option we have and not a partial respec i think that it may be harder to implement then just a full respec and im sure we all don't want CCP to waste their time