You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users.

There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3.

Go figure.

I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.

After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.

So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas.
On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.

Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.

Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.

Honestly there is no difference...

OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On?

Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.

DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%

Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean).

I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this.

Are they just in denial?

Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight?

...stuff...

Not sure what you're arguing here, but...

What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this.

At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse.

And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land.

I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this.

Are they just in denial?

Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight?

I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My score haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition.

You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m.

I think you should leave this game...

I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster

I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My scores haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition.

You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m.

You can easily say when someone's using a kb/m or a ds3 just let's be honest. In Dust, no matter what, you can't strafe as fast as a keyboard.

And well, if you're doing the same score using a ds3 you're just bad at using kb/m in fps. I know people (no names ;) ) who never played any kind of fps both on PC or PS3 and they actually do great on Dust just because they're using kb/m ( majority of Eve community )

And I'm saying your full of ****...any PC gamer will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. It's the very reason Kb/M began being used for gaming in the first place.

So go back to your fantasy land.

I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.

After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.

So i started raging so bad i threw the DS3 controller across the room and shoved a remote up my arse.
And then I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas.
On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.

Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.

Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.

Exactly!

How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious!

The mouse is unusable at the moment, the DS3 is 10 times better.

Yes fantasy land of competitive DUST.. against arguably the best heavy's in the game... Who constantly show me the power of what the DS3 can do...

Where as ultramarine and Master jaraiya the forum troll tell's me otherwise... Seriously.. just put your ISK where your mouth is in the game and gain validity or go back to your pub's where you suspect everyone that out moves you and kills you is using a Keyboard..

I've played this game since closed beta. I STILL can't tell who is and isn't using kbm. It's not obvious.

Maybe you just aren't that observant. Maybe you just haven't noticed because you never knew what the difference was, so you weren't as likely to pick up on it.

Personally, in my line of work, my eyes are trained to detect the smallest details and imperfections even from a distance. Maybe it is because of this, but for me it is very easy to tell the difference between a DS3 user and a Kb/M user.

I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.

After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.

So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas.
On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.

Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.

Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.

LOL me a troll...if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black....

Seriously though, I never said that there aren't good players who use DS3.

How does one "gain validity"? By playing in broken laggy PC battles? LOL ok.

I frankly don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks about me honestly.

I never said everyone who out moves me or kills me is using a DS3, so don't put words in my mouth. I simply stated that you can tell the difference between a Kb/M user and a DS3 user by the way they move.

What makes one the "best heavy in the game"? Is it their position on the leaderboards? Is it the length of time they have been playing? Is it their LOL k/d r that they got by proto stopming n00bs in pubs all through Chromosome?

You're delusional if you honestly believe there is no difference between Kb/M movement and DS3 movement.

Then it isn't obvious. To you it may be. But to majority it isn't.

The majority doesn't even know the difference, but even those who don't will say things like "damn how does he strafe like that" and I will say something like "what do you mean", then the person will say "he moves so...fast"...

It seems that way to the observer because the Kb/M strafer doesn't slow down when side to side strafing. The DS3 user is forced to slow down, then speed up, making him appear to move "slower" when changing directions.

If you honestly don't believe me, test it with your corp mates.

Have one who uses a Kb/M line up behind another who uses a DS3.

Ensure they are both in the same Dropsuit and make sure they both have the same level in Biotics. (movement speed effects strafe, sprint speed and modules do not)

Have them to begin strafing at the same time changing directions in 3 second intervals.

If strafing is the same for both inputs, they will always remain in the same proximity to eachother as when they started strafing.

If they do not (which they won't) you will see the difference.

How anyone can say they cannot tell the difference between seeing the way ds3 and kb/m uses move is beyond me.

Coming from a PC background up until 5 or so years ago, even I who is fast approaching 40 can see it.

Whoever compared analogue controllers with digital keyboards basically proved it. Most kb are digital so when you strafe you arr getting instant acceleration to full movement by tapping two keys.

You understand we get probably the most no show's in PC.. in probably the history of PC's and duel nonstop sometimes for hour's?

Please... your understanding in DUST is | | <---- small

And you pretend like you know stuff its pathetic. even the stuff you say call's you out to anyone who know's better.

Keep making excuses why you die and accept mediocrity... Its the Proto, its the Kb/M, its the lag, its the tower camping... Your like a broken record...

This topic is very simple for anyone who has any idea how the two input methods work.

KB/M left-right strafing:

1. Press A - instantly 100% speed strafe left
2. Press D - instantly 100% speed strafe right
Commentary: It is impossible to make the keys do less than 100% instant movement speed. They are digital - you move 100% or don't move. So you can - in fact, it is hard not to - achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D.

DS3 left-right strafing:

1. Push left on DS3 stick - instantly there is something like 5% movement left.
2. Then it is 10%, then 20%, then 30%, as you move the stick further left.
3. You only reach 100% movement left speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the left.
4. Push right on DS3 stick - you first go through 90%, 80%, 70% LEFT (i.e. the opposite of what you want...) as you move the stick from it's 95% left position.
5. Eventually you reach the central (neutral) position, then 5%, 10%, etc movement right.
6. You only reach 100% movement right speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the right.
Commentary: It is impossible to make the DS3 do more than 5% (approx) instant movement speed. It is analogue - you cannot help but 5%, then 10%, etc as the stick slides across. So you cannot achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D; the biggest instant change you can achieve from 100% left is to go to something like 90% left

This topic is very simple for anyone who has any idea how the two input methods work.

KB/M left-right strafing:

1. Press A - instantly 100% speed strafe left
2. Press D - instantly 100% speed strafe right
Commentary: It is impossible to make the keys do less than 100% instant movement speed. They are digital - you move 100% or don't move. So you can - in fact, it is hard not to - achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D.

DS3 left-right strafing:

1. Push left on DS3 stick - instantly there is something like 5% movement left.
2. Then it is 10%, then 20%, then 30%, as you move the stick further left.
3. You only reach 100% movement left speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the left.
4. Push right on DS3 stick - you first go through 90%, 80%, 70% LEFT (i.e. the opposite of what you want...) as you move the stick from it's 95% left position.
5. Eventually you reach the central (neutral) position, then 5%, 10%, etc movement right.
6. You only reach 100% movement right speed with the stick at (I believe) 95% to the right.
Commentary: It is impossible to make the DS3 do more than 5% (approx) instant movement speed. It is analogue - you cannot help but 5%, then 10%, etc as the stick slides across. So you cannot achieve instant change from 100% left to 100% right by alternating A and D; the biggest instant change you can achieve from 100% left is to go to something like 90% left

Honestly there is no difference...

OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On?

Deadzone vs No Deadzone? You really think that's the same?
KB/M instant left to right.
Ds3 have to pass through the deadzone to switch direction- slows strafing.

You guys are just bad at the game, probably bad at every single game you play ... I only been using the DS3 for few days and i'm already getting 2.0 K/D ratio scores in regular basics.

Is this the type of players you want CCP ?

I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.

After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.

So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas.
On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.

Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.

Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.

Coming from a guy who is so great at video games, he can't tell the difference of a kb/m and ds3 strafe.. is that why you never post how great you are on your main? All day now I have seen you spew nonsense at jaraiya. No one uses kb/m anymore? Tell that to the 10-20 people in my corp still using kb/m. I love the complaining about trolls part, because you are the only troll I see here

Seriously ... 95% of the kills i get are just awareness, tactical positioning, luck, finishing someone else kill, explosive kills, jumping in a turret at the right time... and so on. Only 5% of the kills i get are to do with the control method i using.

Mouse, DS3, Move controller.... are all just tools, and a tool it's only as effective as the person that is using it.

Strafing goes down in the win column for kb/m. Whereas other things you mentioned, jumping, ads, ect, come easier for sticks...

I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.

After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.

So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas.
On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.

Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.

Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.

Honestly there is no difference...

OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On?

and, yes, you're right here. I would lower the percentage at 80 %. The other 20 % are probably ideal 1 vs 1 where, well, your input method counts as much as lag and fitting.


Actually, it is impossible to jump and track the target with a ds3. You jump and track much better with kb/m. The only "advantage" and not that much is that you can actually run with a grenade cooked. Only that.

I just spent a few minutes testing strafe speeds, and direction change speed on DS3 and KB/M with Light, Medium and Heavy suits.

There is no perceptible difference to me.

What are you guys on about?

And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land.