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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:01:00 -
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I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.
After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.
So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas. On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.
Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.
Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1559
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:02:00 -
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I think you should leave this game... |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1057
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:03:00 -
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You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users.
There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3.
Go figure. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1559
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:05:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users. There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3. Go figure. Honestly there is no difference...
OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On? |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
151
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:05:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.
After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.
So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas. On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.
Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.
Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.
All the best heavies i have ever played against are die hard DS3 users... And they can out dance a armored up scout.
Probably the most notable corp leaders, FC's, Top 10 heavies to watch out for.
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SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
118
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:10:00 -
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Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1059
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users. There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3. Go figure. Honestly there is no difference... OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On? Honestly, I'm a heavy with 12.5 mil SP dedicated into it. I just recently started side speccing for more options. I know exactly what the strafing abilities of a Heavy using a DS3 are.
I also know that there are Heavies in this game who exceed those abilities. These are Kb/M users.
The difference is in the instantaneous, full speed change in direction you get with a Kb/M that you can't achieve with the DS3. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1059
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:14:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this.
Are they just in denial?
Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight? |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
665
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:24:00 -
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I agree you can always tell the person using KB/M vs. DS3. They can keep on target easier with a mouse and with other hand they use the keyboard and strafe at speeds you can keep up with. If someone says there is no difference is because they use the KB/M or they have never faced off with a person who knows how to use one. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
152
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:26:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this. Are they just in denial? Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight?
From you telling us that your heavy expertise say's that KB/m makes them better?
I think you mis-understand the ability in varied speed control in strafing and aiming in CQC, muscle memory adjust's to one assumed speed way easier
Any person who drives power wheel's to Top fuel dragster's would say instant throttle response is nice. Specially from tank's with more top end horsepower speed then torque |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:31:00 -
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Not sure what you're arguing here, but...
What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this.
At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse.
Aiming adjusts to a gradual increas/decrease in movement speed when target is changing directions. Muscle memory is irrelevant.
It is much more difficult to adjust your aim on a target who changes directions instantaneously without reducing speed. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
152
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:33:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Not sure what you're arguing here, but... What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this. At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse.
And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:36:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Not sure what you're arguing here, but... What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this. At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse. And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land.
And I'm saying your full of ****...any PC gamer will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. It's the very reason Kb/M began being used for gaming in the first place.
So go back to your fantasy land.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1558
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:37:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this. Are they just in denial? Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight?
I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My score haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition.
You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
699
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:41:00 -
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I's so obvious that I'm scared when people do not agree that kb makes you strafe much faster and if you consider that ds3 turn speed is not as efficient as mouse turn speed, you must agree that these two devices can't coexist. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:42:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote: I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My score haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition.
You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m.
Did I ever say thar? No, so stop putting words in my mouth.
No matter how much you try to argue, you will not change the fact of what I am saying. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1052
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:43:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I think you should leave this game... Yep, I here i could be playing my PS3, but im stuck on this PC...
Oh wait. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:44:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster Exactly!
How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
699
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:50:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this. Are they just in denial? Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight? I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My scores haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition. You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m.
You can easily say when someone's using a kb/m or a ds3 just let's be honest. In Dust, no matter what, you can't strafe as fast as a keyboard.
And well, if you're doing the same score using a ds3 you're just bad at using kb/m in fps. I know people (no names ;) ) who never played any kind of fps both on PC or PS3 and they actually do great on Dust just because they're using kb/m ( majority of Eve community ) |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1558
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:53:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this. Are they just in denial? Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight? I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My scores haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition. You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m. You can easily say when someone's using a kb/m or a ds3 just let's be honest. In Dust, no matter what, you can't strafe as fast as a keyboard. And well, if you're doing the same score using a ds3 you're just bad at using kb/m in fps. I know people (no names ;) ) who never played any kind of fps both on PC or PS3 and they actually do great on Dust just because they're using kb/m ( majority of Eve community )
I been using the mouse for FPS games for nearly 20 years ... are you going to talk me that i always sucked with the mouse ? all this years ? I have plenty of friends that will disagree with you.
The mouse is unusable at the moment, the DS3 is 10 times better. |
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
152
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:55:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Bethhy wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Not sure what you're arguing here, but... What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this. At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse. And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land. And I'm saying your full of ****...any PC gamer will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. It's the very reason Kb/M began being used for gaming in the first place. So go back to your fantasy land.
Yes fantasy land of competitive DUST.. against arguably the best heavy's in the game... Who constantly show me the power of what the DS3 can do...
Where as ultramarine and Master jaraiya the forum troll tell's me otherwise... Seriously.. just put your ISK where your mouth is in the game and gain validity or go back to your pub's where you suspect everyone that out moves you and kills you is using a Keyboard..
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
144
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:58:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.
After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.
So i started raging so bad i threw the DS3 controller across the room and shoved a remote up my arse. And then I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas. On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.
Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.
Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.
fixed that for you
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1566
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:02:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster Exactly! How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! I've played this game since closed beta. I STILL can't tell who is and isn't using kbm. It's not obvious.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
699
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:05:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean). I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this. Are they just in denial? Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight? I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My scores haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition. You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m. You can easily say when someone's using a kb/m or a ds3 just let's be honest. In Dust, no matter what, you can't strafe as fast as a keyboard. And well, if you're doing the same score using a ds3 you're just bad at using kb/m in fps. I know people (no names ;) ) who never played any kind of fps both on PC or PS3 and they actually do great on Dust just because they're using kb/m ( majority of Eve community ) The mouse is unusable at the moment, the DS3 is 10 times better.
I never said that mouse is good on Dust. I'm just telling you that mouse is better than ds3 on Dust. Let's try this. Play some battlefield 3 using your ds3. now set sensitivity at 30 / 30. Play around. You'll notice that you actually "feel" the analog stick, and when you want to look at your back it doesn't take half an hour to look back. Now play Battlefield at 100 / 100 (like many of my mates do on BF3) and compare its sensitivity to Dust one. It is precise and fast. It is enjoyable. But. I clearly remember BF3 pre-closed beta. They was actually trying to put tighter kb/m and ds3 users cross platform, and well DS3 users always got owned bad. Really bad. So bad that they didn't put the two devices together at last. Moreover, consider that you can't "dance" on Battlefield, both because you don't have such a ridiculous strafe speed and because you don't have such a ridiculous amount of HP. That's another game, yes, but sometimes you have to learn from others mistakes, don't you agree? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Yes fantasy land of competitive DUST.. against arguably the best heavy's in the game... Who constantly show me the power of what the DS3 can do... Where as ultramarine and Master jaraiya the forum troll tell's me otherwise... Seriously.. just put your ISK where your mouth is in the game and gain validity or go back to your pub's where you suspect everyone that out moves you and kills you is using a Keyboard.. LOL me a troll...if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black....
Seriously though, I never said that there aren't good players who use DS3.
How does one "gain validity"? By playing in broken laggy PC battles? LOL ok.
I frankly don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks about me honestly.
I never said everyone who out moves me or kills me is using a DS3, so don't put words in my mouth. I simply stated that you can tell the difference between a Kb/M user and a DS3 user by the way they move.
What makes one the "best heavy in the game"? Is it their position on the leaderboards? Is it the length of time they have been playing? Is it their LOL k/d r that they got by proto stopming n00bs in pubs all through Chromosome?
You're delusional if you honestly believe there is no difference between Kb/M movement and DS3 movement. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster Exactly! How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! I've played this game since closed beta. I STILL can't tell who is and isn't using kbm. It's not obvious. Maybe you just aren't that observant. Maybe you just haven't noticed because you never knew what the difference was, so you weren't as likely to pick up on it.
Personally, in my line of work, my eyes are trained to detect the smallest details and imperfections even from a distance. Maybe it is because of this, but for me it is very easy to tell the difference between a DS3 user and a Kb/M user. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster Exactly! How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! I've played this game since closed beta. I STILL can't tell who is and isn't using kbm. It's not obvious. Maybe you just aren't that observant. Maybe you just haven't noticed because you never knew what the difference was, so you weren't as likely to pick up on it. Personally, in my line of work, my eyes are trained to detect the smallest details and imperfections even from a distance. Maybe it is because of this, but for me it is very easy to tell the difference between a DS3 user and a Kb/M user. Then it isn't obvious. To you it may be. But to majority it isn't. |
Stevez Lau
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:27:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I was just in a game where a HEAVY was strafeing so fast back and forth that I was unable to land any bullets from my SMG despite haveing my DS3 settings at 100 and 100.
After the game I sent a mail asking WTF and the response was KB/M dancing FTW.
So I decided to go play Fallout New Vegas. On Friday I will play BF4 Open Beta.
Anywho November and Black Friday for a PS4.
Getting real tired of unbalanced gameplay.
Strafing with KB/M makes no difference than if you were using the DS3. The difference is the accuracy due to the Analogue sticks. We were given aim assist to help deal with that. So I am pretty sure you just missed the heavy and are a little annoyed about it. Am I right? The first step to improvement, is to admit you suck like the rest of us! <3 |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
152
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:29:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Bethhy wrote:Yes fantasy land of competitive DUST.. against arguably the best heavy's in the game... Who constantly show me the power of what the DS3 can do... Where as ultramarine and Master jaraiya the forum troll tell's me otherwise... Seriously.. just put your ISK where your mouth is in the game and gain validity or go back to your pub's where you suspect everyone that out moves you and kills you is using a Keyboard.. LOL me a troll...if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.... Seriously though, I never said that there aren't good players who use DS3. How does one "gain validity"? By playing in broken laggy PC battles? LOL ok. I frankly don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks about me honestly. I never said everyone who out moves me or kills me is using a DS3, so don't put words in my mouth. I simply stated that you can tell the difference between a Kb/M user and a DS3 user by the way they move. What makes one the "best heavy in the game"? Is it their position on the leaderboards? Is it the length of time they have been playing? Is it their LOL k/d r that they got by proto stopming n00bs in pubs all through Chromosome? You're delusional if you honestly believe there is no difference between Kb/M movement and DS3 movement.
I started chromosome with all the "proto stomping noobs"? but I new FPS skill regardless of equipment...
I never considered them "noob's" skill is skill... I learned.. got better.. watched... adapted... all through this never once have I accurately been able to tell who uses what input device. KDr is fine but who cares about that...
Players know skill when they face each other and mutual respect happens regardless of the beef.... even with how random CCP has made death's in this DUST and age.
Some of the most accurate aim'ers I have ever seen in over a decade playing competitive FPS's have been ds3 and shocked the hell out of me... And this is before Aim assist even existed or did anything...
The PC lag is universal.. that is not an excuse.... Just chatter that clog's up the com's... Welcome to gaming... Lag... oh noes |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1558
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:33:00 -
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This is just one of those threads ;
- I don't use the Kb/m myself, and i have not idea how good it is. But i'm 100% sure that i "always" get kill by it.
I just going to ignore you now... |
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