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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:03:00 -
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You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users.
There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3.
Go figure. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:You know, I was just arguing with someone about the strafing abilities of Kb/M users. There are those who insist there is no difference between strafing with the Kb/M and strafing with the DS3. Go figure. Honestly there is no difference... OP probably just can't consistently aim at a moving target... Turn AA On?
Honestly, I'm a heavy with 12.5 mil SP dedicated into it. I just recently started side speccing for more options. I know exactly what the strafing abilities of a Heavy using a DS3 are.
I also know that there are Heavies in this game who exceed those abilities. These are Kb/M users.
The difference is in the instantaneous, full speed change in direction you get with a Kb/M that you can't achieve with the DS3. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:14:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Keyboard = 100% or 0% movement.
DS3 = Analog or varying degrees of movement and speed. 0% up to 100%
Strafing as well as a lot of other things are affected by this (Tankers know what I mean).
I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this.
Are they just in denial?
Are they purposefully trying to deceive people into thinking there is no advantage when, to anyone with a discerning eye, the advantage is as obvious as the difference between 12 noon and 12 midnight? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:31:00 -
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Not sure what you're arguing here, but...
What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this.
At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse.
Aiming adjusts to a gradual increas/decrease in movement speed when target is changing directions. Muscle memory is irrelevant.
It is much more difficult to adjust your aim on a target who changes directions instantaneously without reducing speed. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:36:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Not sure what you're arguing here, but... What I am saying is Kb/M gives an obvious advantage over DS3 because they can change their movement direction faster than we can track them with the DS3. They can also hold near perfect aim with the Mouse while doing this. At the same time, because we change directions much slower, it makes DS3 users much easier to track especially with a Mouse. And I'm saying your full of ****... it doesn't work like that in the game. So go back to fantasy land.
And I'm saying your full of ****...any PC gamer will tell you exactly what I'm telling you. It's the very reason Kb/M began being used for gaming in the first place.
So go back to your fantasy land.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:42:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
I'm not deceiving anyone ... i using the DS3 now, i haven't touch the mouse for about 2 weeks, and i truly enjoying using it. My score haven't change, if anything they are a bit better now... because i can actually JUMP now, and reload.. and.. well much easier. The aim-assist is helping me a lot with the transition.
You have created this illusion in you head, everyone that kills you is using Kb/m.
Did I ever say thar? No, so stop putting words in my mouth.
No matter how much you try to argue, you will not change the fact of what I am saying. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:44:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster
Exactly!
How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Yes fantasy land of competitive DUST.. against arguably the best heavy's in the game... Who constantly show me the power of what the DS3 can do... Where as ultramarine and Master jaraiya the forum troll tell's me otherwise... Seriously.. just put your ISK where your mouth is in the game and gain validity or go back to your pub's where you suspect everyone that out moves you and kills you is using a Keyboard..
LOL me a troll...if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black....
Seriously though, I never said that there aren't good players who use DS3.
How does one "gain validity"? By playing in broken laggy PC battles? LOL ok.
I frankly don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks about me honestly.
I never said everyone who out moves me or kills me is using a DS3, so don't put words in my mouth. I simply stated that you can tell the difference between a Kb/M user and a DS3 user by the way they move.
What makes one the "best heavy in the game"? Is it their position on the leaderboards? Is it the length of time they have been playing? Is it their LOL k/d r that they got by proto stopming n00bs in pubs all through Chromosome?
You're delusional if you honestly believe there is no difference between Kb/M movement and DS3 movement. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:I's so obvious...that kb makes you strafe much faster Exactly! How in the hell could you not notice it? It's so painfully obvious! I've played this game since closed beta. I STILL can't tell who is and isn't using kbm. It's not obvious.
Maybe you just aren't that observant. Maybe you just haven't noticed because you never knew what the difference was, so you weren't as likely to pick up on it.
Personally, in my line of work, my eyes are trained to detect the smallest details and imperfections even from a distance. Maybe it is because of this, but for me it is very easy to tell the difference between a DS3 user and a Kb/M user. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:37:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:
Then it isn't obvious. To you it may be. But to majority it isn't.
The majority doesn't even know the difference, but even those who don't will say things like "damn how does he strafe like that" and I will say something like "what do you mean", then the person will say "he moves so...fast"...
It seems that way to the observer because the Kb/M strafer doesn't slow down when side to side strafing. The DS3 user is forced to slow down, then speed up, making him appear to move "slower" when changing directions.
If you honestly don't believe me, test it with your corp mates.
Have one who uses a Kb/M line up behind another who uses a DS3.
Ensure they are both in the same Dropsuit and make sure they both have the same level in Biotics. (movement speed effects strafe, sprint speed, and modules do not)
Have them to begin strafing at the same time changing directions in 3 second intervals.
If strafing is the same for both inputs, they will always remain in the same proximity to eachother as when they started strafing.
If they do not (which they won't) you will see the difference.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:02:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:You understand we get probably the most no show's in PC.. in probably the history of PC's and duel nonstop sometimes for hour's? Please... your understanding in DUST is | | <---- small And you pretend like you know stuff its pathetic. even the stuff you say call's you out to anyone who know's better. Keep making excuses why you die and accept mediocrity... Its the Proto, its the Kb/M, its the lag , its the tower camping... Your like a broken record... LOL, ok dude if you say so.
I don't know ****. I'm 31 years old, but haven't learned a god damned thing all my life.
I have no common sense, and cannot observe blatantly obvious discrepancies in the functionality of a video game.
I only make excuses for my losses because I don't want to admit that I'm so god awful at this game.
new players with 500SP, no corp, and no squad can compete against a team consisting of stacked squads of Proto stompers who have all of their core skills maxed out.
There is no difference between Kb/M and DS3...it's just the imagination of myself and everyone else who says there is.
Oh, and I don't want to play PC because I'm afraid, not because it is currently not enjoyable because of lag issues including framerate and input latency as well as frequent disconnects.
yep...you got me...what can I say
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