At what level are the core mechanics good enough?

What do you feel are the requirements to move past an optimization driven phase and into a content driven phase of development?


* the theory being that CCP does not want to release new content into a shoddy game, because it will lose their one chance to retain the influx of players who come from it.

My theory is, that they don't have anything to release. They would like to do so, but they don't have anything.

Perhaps in 6 more months.

I have a feeling CCP is arbitrarily holding off new content because content brings people in but they want to wait until they first get Dust to a point that it can actually hold people in as well. CCP says they aren't arbitrarily holding it off, but then I'd like an explanation for why it takes over 5 months to create 2 heavies and 3 lights which should have been a priority ever since Uprising hit.

People can put up with a less-than-perfect "core" so long as they have plenty of variety.

Perhaps in 6 more months.

I have a feeling CCP is arbitrarily holding off new content because content brings people in but they want to wait until they first get Dust to a point that it can actually hold people in as well. CCP says they aren't arbitrarily holding it off, but then I'd like an explanation for why it takes over 5 months to create 2 heavies and 3 lights which should have been a priority ever since Uprising hit.

People can put up with a less-than-perfect "core" so long as they have plenty of variety.

I guess it wouldn't be arbitrarily holding off then but that's what I'm getting at.

At what point is core "good enough". Or what basic features do they want in the game BEFORE they bring in new suits and vehicles?

Obviously everything so far was on that list, and the things coming up like Factional Warfare changes, squad finder, vehicle re-work,

That is possible. But I think they are just incapable. Not all of them, some seems to work, like the guy who is manipulating the "most buy" stuff on in marked board, or the one who is adding extraordinary expansive booster stuff to the marked.

My theory is, that they don't have anything to release. They would like to do so, but they don't have anything.

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Well when you get to talking about something that's supposed to be an MMO, combined with the fact that it "released" missing half of the symmetrical content required in the game so far...

I'd say as far as per-maturely released MMO's go you could expect new content every 3-6 months.

But this also assume that the game started off with enough content to last that long in the first place.

Other games release every one to two years with major content additions as well as minor ones (well, substantial compared to Dust) every three or so months inbetween.

Also to be fair, games like Battlefield for example don't decide to release without the Russian racial variants of tanks or helicopters

Other games release every one to two years with major content additions as well as minor ones (well, substantial compared to Dust) every three or so months inbetween.

Also to be fair, games like Battlefield for example don't decide to release without the Russian racial variants of tanks or helicopters

Even Planetside 2 which is an abominably bad game had pretty much all of its content there on release.

Even Planetside 2 which is an abominably bad game had pretty much all of its content there on release.

we all would be a lot less pissed it the game was done. Like PVE done, EVE connection done, standard assets done.

I can't agree any more! If we had a PVE option to play, a real and meaningful way to interact with EVE, and FFS just two more lights, 3 more heavies, and 6 more vehicles variants then I wouldn't mind if we had to wait 12 months between updates.

The problem with Dust is it doesn't even feel like it's been released, rather it feels like we are still waiting for CCP to finish the most basic and trivial aspects which are taking an absurdly long time. I mean, when did closed beta start? Getting on close to two years now? How have they not at the very least given a racial variant of each of the core frame sizes?

You mean if the game is complete?

I'm still playing DarkSouls since 2011.

It's worse for a game like Dust.
Where you have to permanently spec into areas, some of which you may have to hold off on for >2 years?

Or spec into the closest thing to eventually have a wasted 7 million when the race you Really wanted comes out.

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Yes. I would need a lot less new stuff.




A better example could be that I still enjoy SNES classics. If it's fully done, and done well, I really don't need a lot of new patches. DarkSouls took over a year to give an add on, and I don't even expect to see one.

also

demon souls > than dark souls

@True Adamance and DSL

I have a lot of SL level chars, working on a soul level 200 murderer. This game is so much fun, even farming is done so very very well!

Back to the discussion. I'm waiting for the very first to jump in here and remember us all that this is free to play, and we don't need to play it, and that if we drop money, it is our own fault.
This person will be probably right. But I'm not agreeing on the fact that if it's free, they can do what ever they want with us.

Look I would have payed 60Gé¼ for this game, and I would pay for well done DLs, I'm saying this to get this out of way.


So back to the "it is free stuff".
CCP has used our leap of faith that we gave them, they used the money that we dash forward, so I think that we are in the position to demand something. After all, without US, CCP would have no one who would back this game up. And a company should be very careful if they are thinking the way some fans are doing here: "it's free, you can go bal bla bla".

@True Adamance and DSL

I have a lot of SL level chars, working on a soul level 200 murderer. This game is so much fun, even farming is done so very very well!

Back to the discussion. I'm waiting for the very first to jump in here and remember us all that this is free to play, and we don't need to play it, and that if we drop money, it is our own fault.
This person will be probably right. But I'm not agreeing on the fact that if it's free, they can do what ever they want with us.

Look I would have payed 60Gé¼ for this game, and I would pay for well done DLs, I'm saying this to get this out of way.


So back to the "it is free stuff".
CCP has used our leap of faith that we gave them, they used the money that we dash forward, so I think that we are in the position to demand something. After all, without US, CCP would have no one who would back this game up. And a company should be very careful if they are thinking the way some fans are doing here: "it's free, you can go bal bla bla".

side note on dark souls:

It was a content complete single player game (technically online, quasi multiplayer) Not meant for finding or playing with friends.

Also it was never intended to have a DLC. FromSoft just decided for whatever reason to add some more detail to their story and cash in on it way later. Maybe it was ideas that couldn't make it by Launch deadline but they still wanted to use those boss ideas.

Depends it was more a classic souls game, but DKS was more fleshed out.

But Hey, Terraria 1.2 is out, and I tried it yesterday, I see fun times coming.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/terraria-update-adds-over-1000-new-items/

pvp was boss in demon souls, dark souls was more single player imo, granted i didnt stick around to see if it got any better, played it on release day, got the limited edition set, but sold it a couple of months after, single player was great, but not so on the pvp action

demon souls just had a much much better community spirit about it and it lasted a looong ass time , other than gran turismo, was by far my fav experiance on the ps3, but each to there own and all that

**edit**

also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11

Though in DKS the lack of grasses made pvp that much more intense, not to mention the lack of ultra rollers, push locking kats, and Second chance Faith/passive healiers. Though those were all great back in the day, me being one of the latter temple knights.

lol yeah i rolled with spellsword duel kats at sl 120, my mian grief with drk was with finding someone "to" pvp with, the different stones etc just made it awkward, but again, i didnt stick around to see if it got any better

demon souls it was just a case of 4.1 if i remember, pvp lvl, all day everyday, seemed more of a pita in dks

also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11

****, yes!

WeGÇÖll be interviewing CCP Games about these new DUST 514 changes soon. Stay tuned for our article on the site.

Look at this:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/dust-514s-uprising-1-5-update-how-objectives-will-help-new-players-stick-around/




You think we will hear something new even for us as community? Some reveals, big or not?

It's worse for a game like Dust.
Where you have to permanently spec into areas, some of which you may have to hold off on for >2 years?

Or spec into the closest thing to eventually have a wasted 7 million when the race you Really wanted comes out.

I guess it wouldn't be arbitrarily holding off then but that's what I'm getting at.

At what point is core "good enough". Or what basic features do they want in the game BEFORE they bring in new suits and vehicles?

Obviously everything so far was on that list, and the things coming up like Factional Warfare changes, squad finder, vehicle re-work,

This is my huge issue right now. I want the amarr heavy laser to come out but I have no idea when that will be or even if they will do it since they don't give any information. I'll just stuck with my assult scrambler build for now I guess.

Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.

Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at.

How about:
1) terrain that doesn't grab you
2) Massive invisible hitboxes around installations
3) A completely broken tier system

If they can fix those 3 gems, have at the new content.

Thats where they went wrong imo, it was about dueling (demon souls), 1v1 pvp, was a good laugh, and so many builds was always something different, somehow they managed to kill it, sure invading noobs while they playing was cool, but for me, the fun was in blatent 1 v 1 fight, aka 4.1 sl 120 or below, good times

You could duel I DKS, but the thing about the Souls series is not the player meta, its the griefing, the harshness of players as they try to kill other players struggling to reach the boss, that is what souls is about.

I loved gravelording in the Tombs of the Giants. RED PHANTOM SKELEDOGS. OHKO no matter who you were.

thats the difference, i dont care to grief other players, i play fps since doom, i dont care to gank some scrub, i want straight up fight, which was easy to organise in demon souls, less so in dark souls

Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch.
No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc.

Dust could have been so great.


Look at this, it sounds very expensive, but so nice for us as fans:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/destiny-beta-being-treated-like-a-full-launch-says-bungie/

Tbh destiny is going to kick the pants off every shooter I can't wait I just hope I find a good rp group to game with so I dont have squillers ruin my epic moments

Wikispaces FC still goes on weekly against the most skilled duellers of the 3rd gen forumers. The 2 gen, my gen and personally the best fighters, are gone now. DKS II may let us get back together.

Griefing is in the spirit of Souls though, its what the game is about, human nature. Shall I help or be a total **** head? The latter almost always is the case.

perhaps if there are any holy/ knightly/ Templar aligned factions I might come over for a bit when I play, but it'll be like borderlands 2 I'll find my character, play it, and then only occasionally go back for DLC and event content.

Got ya coverd their titains and the old monarchy faction apprently. I think it has loot but it's more about developing your toon and your chosen gun. They are also very big on the community building as well see their live events. One of which is pretty epic tbh

we all left as it was made awkward to 1v 1 pvp, again, single player grief mode maybe fun, but it doesnt last and make for the long term like the original had

Please. Invading the Parish at SL15 as a GiantSack 2-handing a lightning Knight Shield NEVER gets old. Getting infinitely pushlocked by 8000 lol2kat users in a row got old pretty quickly.

They are releasing new content when SP resets during downtime.


Let me use my psychic visions....







Pushed back.

Destiny looks cool, but it's actually not all that unique. Sure many people bring up the Borderlands comparisons, but even more similar is the 2013 game DEFIANCE which is pretty much the exact same concept with the community building thing and live events.

Also I believe many are going to be disappointed with Destiny because of some bad wording by Activision. They said they have a 10 year plan for Destiny, but that is actually referring to the franchise, not the boxed product game you will buy in stores. From the sounds of it, Destiny will be one of those games you buy at the store, get some DLC for, then a year or two later buy the sequel and transfer save files.

Destiny looks cool, but it's actually not all that unique. Sure many people bring up the Borderlands comparisons, but even more similar is the 2013 game DEFIANCE which is pretty much the exact same concept with the community building thing and live events.

Also I believe many are going to be disappointed with Destiny because of some bad wording by Activision. They said they have a 10 year plan for Destiny, but that is actually referring to the franchise, not the boxed product game you will buy in stores. From the sounds of it, Destiny will be one of those games you buy at the store, get some DLC for, then a year or two later buy the sequel and transfer save files.