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gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:31:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:also demon souls > than dark souls Depends it was more a classic souls game, but DKS was more fleshed out.
pvp was boss in demon souls, dark souls was more single player imo, granted i didnt stick around to see if it got any better, played it on release day, got the limited edition set, but sold it a couple of months after, single player was great, but not so on the pvp action
demon souls just had a much much better community spirit about it and it lasted a looong ass time , other than gran turismo, was by far my fav experiance on the ps3, but each to there own and all that
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
505
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:42:00 -
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But Hey, Terraria 1.2 is out, and I tried it yesterday, I see fun times coming.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/terraria-update-adds-over-1000-new-items/ |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:48:00 -
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here i go again lol
haven & hearth > than Terraria
i've actually just rage quit as my 3 month old toon got murked last week, and its perma death! 3 months down the drain toon reset to just about zero, gutted lol
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2504
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:50:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:also demon souls > than dark souls Depends it was more a classic souls game, but DKS was more fleshed out. pvp was boss in demon souls, dark souls was more single player imo, granted i didnt stick around to see if it got any better, played it on release day, got the limited edition set, but sold it a couple of months after, single player was great, but not so on the pvp action demon souls just had a much much better community spirit about it and it lasted a looong ass time , other than gran turismo, was by far my fav experiance on the ps3, but each to there own and all that **edit** also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11 Though in DKS the lack of grasses made pvp that much more intense, not to mention the lack of ultra rollers, push locking kats, and Second chance Faith/passive healiers. Though those were all great back in the day, me being one of the latter temple knights. |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:also demon souls > than dark souls Depends it was more a classic souls game, but DKS was more fleshed out. pvp was boss in demon souls, dark souls was more single player imo, granted i didnt stick around to see if it got any better, played it on release day, got the limited edition set, but sold it a couple of months after, single player was great, but not so on the pvp action demon souls just had a much much better community spirit about it and it lasted a looong ass time , other than gran turismo, was by far my fav experiance on the ps3, but each to there own and all that **edit** also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11 Though in DKS the lack of grasses made pvp that much more intense, not to mention the lack of ultra rollers, push locking kats, and Second chance Faith/passive healiers. Though those were all great back in the day, me being one of the latter temple knights.
lol yeah i rolled with spellsword duel kats at sl 120, my mian grief with drk was with finding someone "to" pvp with, the different stones etc just made it awkward, but again, i didnt stick around to see if it got any better
demon souls it was just a case of 4.1 if i remember, pvp lvl, all day everyday, seemed more of a pita in dks
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2504
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:22:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:also demon souls > than dark souls Depends it was more a classic souls game, but DKS was more fleshed out. pvp was boss in demon souls, dark souls was more single player imo, granted i didnt stick around to see if it got any better, played it on release day, got the limited edition set, but sold it a couple of months after, single player was great, but not so on the pvp action demon souls just had a much much better community spirit about it and it lasted a looong ass time , other than gran turismo, was by far my fav experiance on the ps3, but each to there own and all that **edit** also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11 Though in DKS the lack of grasses made pvp that much more intense, not to mention the lack of ultra rollers, push locking kats, and Second chance Faith/passive healiers. Though those were all great back in the day, me being one of the latter temple knights. lol yeah i rolled with spellsword duel kats at sl 120, my mian grief with drk was with finding someone "to" pvp with, the different stones etc just made it awkward, but again, i didnt stick around to see if it got any better demon souls it was just a case of 4.1 if i remember, pvp lvl, all day everyday, seemed more of a pita in dks Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.
Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
505
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:25:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11
****, yes!
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2504
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:26:00 -
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meri jin wrote:gbh08 wrote:also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11 ****, yes! It was tough as ****, Shrine of Storm was the duelling spot though, my fav place was the Valley of Defilement (or whatever the name was) |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
505
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:56:00 -
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Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch. No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc.
Dust could have been so great. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1551
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:02:00 -
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Core-mechanics are never perfect, not even in the best games in history. Realistically you can only aim for "Good Enough", and let the content and features in the game do the rest of the job; Maps, Game-modes, Weapons, Customization.. etc. |
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
510
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:17:00 -
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Look at this:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/dust-514s-uprising-1-5-update-how-objectives-will-help-new-players-stick-around/
Quote:WeGÇÖll be interviewing CCP Games about these new DUST 514 changes soon. Stay tuned for our article on the site.
You think we will hear something new even for us as community? Some reveals, big or not? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2475
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:21:00 -
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Every interview with CCP on some gaming site tends to be a bunch of stuff that everyone on the forums already knew and rarely touches on questions long time players really want to know. |
Stevez Lau
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:22:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games? Other games release every one to two years with major content additions as well as minor ones (well, substantial compared to Dust) every three or so months inbetween. Also to be fair, games like Battlefield for example don't decide to release without the Russian racial variants of tanks or helicopters Even Planetside 2 which is an abominably bad game had pretty much all of its content there on release. It's worse for a game like Dust. Where you have to permanently spec into areas, some of which you may have to hold off on for >2 years? Or spec into the closest thing to eventually have a wasted 7 million when the race you Really wanted comes out.
This is my huge issue right now. I want the amarr heavy laser to come out but I have no idea when that will be or even if they will do it since they don't give any information. I'll just stuck with my assult scrambler build for now I guess. |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:29:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Perhaps in 6 more months.
I have a feeling CCP is arbitrarily holding off new content because content brings people in but they want to wait until they first get Dust to a point that it can actually hold people in as well. CCP says they aren't arbitrarily holding it off, but then I'd like an explanation for why it takes over 5 months to create 2 heavies and 3 lights which should have been a priority ever since Uprising hit.
People can put up with a less-than-perfect "core" so long as they have plenty of variety. I guess it wouldn't be arbitrarily holding off then but that's what I'm getting at. At what point is core "good enough". Or what basic features do they want in the game BEFORE they bring in new suits and vehicles? Obviously everything so far was on that list, and the things coming up like Factional Warfare changes, squad finder, vehicle re-work,
How about: 1) terrain that doesn't grab you 2) Massive invisible hitboxes around installations 3) A completely broken tier system
If they can fix those 3 gems, have at the new content. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2478
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:30:00 -
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Stevez Lau wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games? Other games release every one to two years with major content additions as well as minor ones (well, substantial compared to Dust) every three or so months inbetween. Also to be fair, games like Battlefield for example don't decide to release without the Russian racial variants of tanks or helicopters Even Planetside 2 which is an abominably bad game had pretty much all of its content there on release. It's worse for a game like Dust. Where you have to permanently spec into areas, some of which you may have to hold off on for >2 years? Or spec into the closest thing to eventually have a wasted 7 million when the race you Really wanted comes out. This is my huge issue right now. I want the amarr heavy laser to come out but I have no idea when that will be or even if they will do it since they don't give any information. I'll just stuck with my assult scrambler build for now I guess. CCP Wolfman did confirm they are working on a heavy scrambler weapon (so, Amarr pulse-laser). I wouldn't expect it anytime remotely soon though.
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gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
185
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.
Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at.
Thats where they went wrong imo, it was about dueling (demon souls), 1v1 pvp, was a good laugh, and so many builds was always something different, somehow they managed to kill it, sure invading noobs while they playing was cool, but for me, the fun was in blatent 1 v 1 fight, aka 4.1 sl 120 or below, good times |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2511
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:34:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Perhaps in 6 more months.
I have a feeling CCP is arbitrarily holding off new content because content brings people in but they want to wait until they first get Dust to a point that it can actually hold people in as well. CCP says they aren't arbitrarily holding it off, but then I'd like an explanation for why it takes over 5 months to create 2 heavies and 3 lights which should have been a priority ever since Uprising hit.
People can put up with a less-than-perfect "core" so long as they have plenty of variety. I guess it wouldn't be arbitrarily holding off then but that's what I'm getting at. At what point is core "good enough". Or what basic features do they want in the game BEFORE they bring in new suits and vehicles? Obviously everything so far was on that list, and the things coming up like Factional Warfare changes, squad finder, vehicle re-work, How about: 1) terrain that doesn't grab you 2) Massive invisible hitboxes around installations 3) A completely broken tier system If they can fix those 3 gems, have at the new content.
Sure these are the glaring issues but the game is passable enough that adding new content would keep the player base interested until CCP can fix these issues. If they spent the next X months just dealing with those problem half the player base would be gone for lack of things to do, or new shinies.
Sure I want those fixed as much as you but what I want more is an enjoyable, engaging, and deep game to play. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2511
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:35:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote: Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.
Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at.
Thats where they went wrong imo, it was about dueling (demon souls), 1v1 pvp, was a good laugh, and so many builds was always something different, somehow they managed to kill it, sure invading noobs while they playing was cool, but for me, the fun was in blatent 1 v 1 fight, aka 4.1 sl 120 or below, good times You could duel I DKS, but the thing about the Souls series is not the player meta, its the griefing, the harshness of players as they try to kill other players struggling to reach the boss, that is what souls is about.
I loved gravelording in the Tombs of the Giants. RED PHANTOM SKELEDOGS. OHKO no matter who you were. |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
185
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote: Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.
Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at.
Thats where they went wrong imo, it was about dueling (demon souls), 1v1 pvp, was a good laugh, and so many builds was always something different, somehow they managed to kill it, sure invading noobs while they playing was cool, but for me, the fun was in blatent 1 v 1 fight, aka 4.1 sl 120 or below, good times You could duel I DKS, but the thing about the Souls series is not the player meta, its the griefing, the harshness of players as they try to kill other players struggling to reach the boss, that is what souls is about. I loved gravelording in the Tombs of the Giants. RED PHANTOM SKELEDOGS. OHKO no matter who you were.
thats the difference, i dont care to grief other players, i play fps since doom, i dont care to gank some scrub, i want straight up fight, which was easy to organise in demon souls, less so in dark souls |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2513
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:46:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote:gbh08 wrote:True Adamance wrote: Ha DKS wasn't about duelling it was about killing, that was my motto. Kill first if they want to duel for their honour later because they think Im a scrub Im only to happy to kick their ass again.
Its possibly the one pvp game I have been exceptionally good at.
Thats where they went wrong imo, it was about dueling (demon souls), 1v1 pvp, was a good laugh, and so many builds was always something different, somehow they managed to kill it, sure invading noobs while they playing was cool, but for me, the fun was in blatent 1 v 1 fight, aka 4.1 sl 120 or below, good times You could duel I DKS, but the thing about the Souls series is not the player meta, its the griefing, the harshness of players as they try to kill other players struggling to reach the boss, that is what souls is about. I loved gravelording in the Tombs of the Giants. RED PHANTOM SKELEDOGS. OHKO no matter who you were. thats the difference, i dont care to grief other players, i play fps since doom, i dont care to gank some scrub, i want straight up fight, which was easy to organise in demon souls, less so in dark souls Wikispaces FC still goes on weekly against the most skilled duellers of the 3rd gen forumers. The 2 gen, my gen and personally the best fighters, are gone now. DKS II may let us get back together.
Griefing is in the spirit of Souls though, its what the game is about, human nature. Shall I help or be a total **** head? The latter almost always is the case. |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1448
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:47:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch. No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc. Dust could have been so great. Look at this, it sounds very expensive, but so nice for us as fans: http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/destiny-beta-being-treated-like-a-full-launch-says-bungie/Quote:GÇ£The Destiny beta, in many ways, is being treated like a full product launch. ...
Tbh destiny is going to kick the pants off every shooter I can't wait I just hope I find a good rp group to game with so I dont have squillers ruin my epic moments |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2515
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:50:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:meri jin wrote:Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch. No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc. Dust could have been so great. Look at this, it sounds very expensive, but so nice for us as fans: http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/destiny-beta-being-treated-like-a-full-launch-says-bungie/Quote:GÇ£The Destiny beta, in many ways, is being treated like a full product launch. ... Tbh destiny is going to kick the pants off every shooter I can't wait I just hope I find a good rp group to game with so I dont have squillers ruin my epic moments perhaps if there are any holy/ knightly/ Templar aligned factions I might come over for a bit when I play, but it'll be like borderlands 2 I'll find my character, play it, and then only occasionally go back for DLC and event content. |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
185
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Wikispaces FC still goes on weekly against the most skilled duellers of the 3rd gen forumers. The 2 gen, my gen and personally the best fighters, are gone now. DKS II may let us get back together.
Griefing is in the spirit of Souls though, its what the game is about, human nature. Shall I help or be a total **** head? The latter almost always is the case.
we all left as it was made awkward to 1v 1 pvp, again, single player grief mode maybe fun, but it doesnt last and make for the long term like the original had
My idea of griefing was laying down msg's like "theres loot down here" when its a blatent drop to death, but theres only so much fun to be had outa that, same for invading noobs that didnt know or have a build to fight with, just for me, personally, i liked the pvp action with other pvp'ers, and dark souls did indeed kill that with the extra stones etc requirements, everyone i know that was on the wiki forum, pretty much felt the same
Its another case of devs pushing crap on us that we dont care for or want, instead of listening to the player base that actually plays there game |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1449
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:meri jin wrote:Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch. No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc. Dust could have been so great. Look at this, it sounds very expensive, but so nice for us as fans: http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/destiny-beta-being-treated-like-a-full-launch-says-bungie/Quote:GÇ£The Destiny beta, in many ways, is being treated like a full product launch. ... Tbh destiny is going to kick the pants off every shooter I can't wait I just hope I find a good rp group to game with so I dont have squillers ruin my epic moments perhaps if there are any holy/ knightly/ Templar aligned factions I might come over for a bit when I play, but it'll be like borderlands 2 I'll find my character, play it, and then only occasionally go back for DLC and event content.
Got ya coverd their titains and the old monarchy faction apprently. I think it has loot but it's more about developing your toon and your chosen gun. They are also very big on the community building as well see their live events. One of which is pretty epic tbh |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2518
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:23:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:True Adamance wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:meri jin wrote:Now imagine exploring a ruin of unknown origin, with some guys wearing only the small helmettorch. No one knows what is inside, the hell it is from, if its big or small etc. Dust could have been so great. Look at this, it sounds very expensive, but so nice for us as fans: http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/02/destiny-beta-being-treated-like-a-full-launch-says-bungie/Quote:GÇ£The Destiny beta, in many ways, is being treated like a full product launch. ... Tbh destiny is going to kick the pants off every shooter I can't wait I just hope I find a good rp group to game with so I dont have squillers ruin my epic moments perhaps if there are any holy/ knightly/ Templar aligned factions I might come over for a bit when I play, but it'll be like borderlands 2 I'll find my character, play it, and then only occasionally go back for DLC and event content. Got ya coverd their titains and the old monarchy faction apprently. I think it has loot but it's more about developing your toon and your chosen gun. They are also very big on the community building as well see their live events. One of which is pretty epic tbh I'm all for the psychic powers but I would go Heavily armoured bad ass if the team needed me too. I'm a team player if nothing else.
Anywho back the main point, still cannot understand why content is on hold when so many people desire it. Gameplay is in a stable place now, add the content, balance it, and then lets fumble through the next see of gameplay changes. |
The Eristic
Dust 90210
27
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:25:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:we all left as it was made awkward to 1v 1 pvp, again, single player grief mode maybe fun, but it doesnt last and make for the long term like the original had
Please. Invading the Parish at SL15 as a GiantSack 2-handing a lightning Knight Shield NEVER gets old. Getting infinitely pushlocked by 8000 lol2kat users in a row got old pretty quickly. |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
136
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:27:00 -
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They are releasing new content when SP resets during downtime.
Let me use my psychic visions....
Pushed back. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2518
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:27:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:gbh08 wrote:we all left as it was made awkward to 1v 1 pvp, again, single player grief mode maybe fun, but it doesnt last and make for the long term like the original had
Please. Invading the Parish at SL15 as a GiantSack 2-handing a lightning Knight Shield NEVER gets old. Getting infinitely pushlocked by 8000 lol2kat users in a row got old pretty quickly. Dude try Gravelording there, the newbies cant handle the phantoms so they come to you, farming EoD's is easy, even when you agree to duel them with base level weapons, I counter grief Dark wraiths since my invasion time is set to 0 with base rapiers or Great Scythes. They try using OHKO back stabbing weapons.....
But back to main point. CONTENT ME UP ! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2487
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:28:00 -
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Destiny looks cool, but it's actually not all that unique. Sure many people bring up the Borderlands comparisons, but even more similar is the 2013 game DEFIANCE which is pretty much the exact same concept with the community building thing and live events.
Also I believe many are going to be disappointed with Destiny because of some bad wording by Activision. They said they have a 10 year plan for Destiny, but that is actually referring to the franchise, not the boxed product game you will buy in stores. From the sounds of it, Destiny will be one of those games you buy at the store, get some DLC for, then a year or two later buy the sequel and transfer save files. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2489
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:29:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:They are releasing new content when SP resets during downtime.
Let me use my psychic visions....
Pushed back. Link? |
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