At what level are the core mechanics good enough?

What do you feel are the requirements to move past an optimization driven phase and into a content driven phase of development?


* the theory being that CCP does not want to release new content into a shoddy game, because it will lose their one chance to retain the influx of players who come from it.

Perhaps in 6 more months.

I have a feeling CCP is arbitrarily holding off new content because content brings people in but they want to wait until they first get Dust to a point that it can actually hold people in as well. CCP says they aren't arbitrarily holding it off, but then I'd like an explanation for why it takes over 5 months to create 2 heavies and 3 lights which should have been a priority ever since Uprising hit.

People can put up with a less-than-perfect "core" so long as they have plenty of variety.

Question, how long do you guys usually go without new content for other games?

Well when you get to talking about something that's supposed to be an MMO, combined with the fact that it "released" missing half of the symmetrical content required in the game so far...

I'd say as far as per-maturely released MMO's go you could expect new content every 3-6 months.

But this also assume that the game started off with enough content to last that long in the first place.

Other games release every one to two years with major content additions as well as minor ones (well, substantial compared to Dust) every three or so months inbetween.

Also to be fair, games like Battlefield for example don't decide to release without the Russian racial variants of tanks or helicopters

Even Planetside 2 which is an abominably bad game had pretty much all of its content there on release.

I can't agree any more! If we had a PVE option to play, a real and meaningful way to interact with EVE, and FFS just two more lights, 3 more heavies, and 6 more vehicles variants then I wouldn't mind if we had to wait 12 months between updates.

The problem with Dust is it doesn't even feel like it's been released, rather it feels like we are still waiting for CCP to finish the most basic and trivial aspects which are taking an absurdly long time. I mean, when did closed beta start? Getting on close to two years now? How have they not at the very least given a racial variant of each of the core frame sizes?

You mean if the game is complete?

I'm still playing DarkSouls since 2011.

side note on dark souls:

It was a content complete single player game (technically online, quasi multiplayer) Not meant for finding or playing with friends.

Also it was never intended to have a DLC. FromSoft just decided for whatever reason to add some more detail to their story and cash in on it way later. Maybe it was ideas that couldn't make it by Launch deadline but they still wanted to use those boss ideas.

also, the tower of latria, is that not just the best fecking lvl in any computer game everrrr!!!11

WeGÇÖll be interviewing CCP Games about these new DUST 514 changes soon. Stay tuned for our article on the site.

Destiny looks cool, but it's actually not all that unique. Sure many people bring up the Borderlands comparisons, but even more similar is the 2013 game DEFIANCE which is pretty much the exact same concept with the community building thing and live events.

Also I believe many are going to be disappointed with Destiny because of some bad wording by Activision. They said they have a 10 year plan for Destiny, but that is actually referring to the franchise, not the boxed product game you will buy in stores. From the sounds of it, Destiny will be one of those games you buy at the store, get some DLC for, then a year or two later buy the sequel and transfer save files.