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Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:18:00 -
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65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
352
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:20:00 -
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You mad bro? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1695
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:21:00 -
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CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:21:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:You mad bro?
Like a fuckin Hatter. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it.
McDonalds is a business, you don't see them increasing the price of the damn McRib by 33% each time they release it.
I don't deal with shady fuckin business practices. |
Gods Architect
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
575
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:23:00 -
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^^ You can do what most do. Don't buy it... you know its still an option |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1041
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:23:00 -
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don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1533
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:25:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it. McDonalds is a business, you don't see them increasing the price of the damn McRib by 33% each time they release it. I don't deal with shady fuckin business practices.
Wasn't it at a special, reduced price last time to celebrate Fanfest?
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
489
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:25:00 -
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Inb4lock
Seriously though it is kinda dumb how expensive they are |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
352
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:26:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it. McDonalds is a business, you don't see them increasing the price of the damn McRib by 33% each time they release it. I don't deal with shady fuckin business practices.
Every time you enter mcdonalds they don't punch you in stomach, take your money and shove a big mac in your mouth.
CCP is not forcefully making you spend your money on this, you can just choice a different option you know... |
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
508
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
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I've never purchased a single booster... every single of my SP come from pure battle ownage and I'm proud of it.
Oh yeah, I was forgetting about passive SP |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1695
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it. McDonalds is a business, you don't see them increasing the price of the damn McRib by 33% each time they release it. I don't deal with shady fuckin business practices. This is a common business strategy. If you don't want it to work then simply don't buy it. If enough people don't buy it then the price will be lowered but if a lot of people buy it (Like last time) it will very likely stay the same. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper
Is there anything in my post that shows I'm uncertain of whether or not i should buy it?
Guess that means your comment is moot point.
Won't be here next release, I give up on companies that all of a sudden become greedy as hell.
Final post. Uninstalling Dust now to open up room for games that have a marketing team that pays the **** attention to its consumer base.
Good fuckin luck. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1524
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:29:00 -
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Come on guys... I'm sure he's been saving up his pennies for a few months and now he finds out he still can't afford them... it kind of hurts y'know. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1042
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:31:00 -
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I'm confused, for some reason I want to respond despite not caring in the slightest if he quits.
weird...
maybe it's for calling a company greedy for not reselling it's product at sale price, when they believe people will still buy it.
or maybe it's because I've reached a point in my characters career where sp means **** all.
oh well, done posting in a pointless thread. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1013
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:32:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Why should they be on crack? You just expect something unreasonable. So if anything, you're the one on crack. They are twice as effective as normal boosters. So in one month you get what you normally would get in 2 months. 30-Day-Passive Boosters are 28.000 for one month. Omega-Boosters are twice the price + 9000 Aurum convenience fee. You get the SP faster after all. Reasonable enough. Or did you expect you can get something that's twice as good for only 10% more? If you don't like it, then stick to normal boosters. But Omega Boosters aren't overpriced. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
354
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:33:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:calisk galern wrote:don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper Is there anything in my post that shows I'm uncertain of whether or not i should buy it? Guess that means your comment is moot point. Won't be here next release, I give up on companies that all of a sudden become greedy as hell. Final post. Uninstalling Dust now to open up room for games that have a marketing team that pays the **** attention to its consumer base. Good fuckin luck.
I bet your playing it right now because you love it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9128
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:34:00 -
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CPM is requesting a meeting with marketing, this will be brought up among other things. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1696
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:34:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:calisk galern wrote:don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper Is there anything in my post that shows I'm uncertain of whether or not i should buy it? Guess that means your comment is moot point. Won't be here next release, I give up on companies that all of a sudden become greedy as hell. Final post. Uninstalling Dust now to open up room for games that have a marketing team that pays the **** attention to its consumer base. Good fuckin luck. Hope you have a wonderful time buying dlc from most other games. Oh and can I have your stuff? |
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CCP Mintchip
C C P C C P Alliance
1614
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:37:00 -
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This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1524
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:40:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. |
ghjl ghjkl
Patriotic Investment Group Inc.
6
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:42:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
96
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is requesting a meeting with marketing, this will be brought up among other things. Seems a strange thing to bring up. As Aikuchi Tomaru mentions upthread, the price is more than reasonable given the passive omega booster gets you the same amount of SP as two regular boosters (worth 56,000AUR), but in half the time. |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:46:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
LOL cute... |
OMEGA BOOSTER
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:46:00 -
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You guys should Definitely not by me
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It makes me feel cheap |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:49:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Now that you mention it this game resembles War Z A LOT, broken promises price gouging and patch after patch of broken game, this is the last nail in the coffin for CCP... I really hope the people buying these are happy supporting a company that continues give the shaft to whats left of their dying player base.. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
511
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:51:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:calisk galern wrote:don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper Is there anything in my post that shows I'm uncertain of whether or not i should buy it? Guess that means your comment is moot point. Won't be here next release, I give up on companies that all of a sudden become greedy as hell. Final post. Uninstalling Dust now to open up room for games that have a marketing team that pays the **** attention to its consumer base. Good fuckin luck.
Can I have a few millions ISK? I promise I won't spend them all in militia Tanks...
Only Falchions with proto turrets for the lulz! |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1104
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:52:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
Yeah dove.. I get that. But More people buying an item doesn't necessarily = raise price on said item. "Testing the waters" would have meant adjusting the price very slightly up.
Can of soda in NY went from 50 cents > 75cents > $1.00.
Different from going 50 cents > 75 cents > $1.75.
*what if they like the soda?*
Go down the block. cheaper there. This game ccp is not the only can of soda in a square mile.
.....haven't found my socks. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
740
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:53:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:You mad bro? Like a fuckin Hatter. a mad hatter?... |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
226
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:53:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
how much is that in US dollars? |
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Ku Shala
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
556
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:55:00 -
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so for 3 times the price you get 2x the booster ... sold ! |
Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
13
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:57:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! Yup say good by to the RL money the players who wanted you to bring these back were going to spend .... I will just let my last 3 months of active and passiove boosters run out and your not getting another dime from me... Oh and now I prob wont m ake an eve account just FY! .,.. good job marketing |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1699
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:57:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
how much is that in US dollars? Well 40k AUR is $20 so a little more then $30. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1699
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:59:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:so for 3 times the price you get 2x the booster ... sold ! You pay 2x and like 9k extra (Which is reasonable to me seeing that you get 2x more SP 2x quicker) |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1015
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:00:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Mac Dac wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
how much is that in US dollars? Well 40k AUR is $20 so a little more then $30.
I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/ |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
124
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:00:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Duran Lex wrote:calisk galern wrote:don't buy it?
if everybody agrees with you they won't buy it and the next release will be cheaper Is there anything in my post that shows I'm uncertain of whether or not i should buy it? Guess that means your comment is moot point. Won't be here next release, I give up on companies that all of a sudden become greedy as hell. Final post. Uninstalling Dust now to open up room for games that have a marketing team that pays the **** attention to its consumer base. Good fuckin luck. I bet your playing it right now because you love it.
lolz! i bet he'll even play when new stuff comes out and QQ on the forums with an alt about OP new things...
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
287
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:03:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm.
Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite. |
Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:04:00 -
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Heh.
That reminds me of something... like ... 10.000 $ Gold scorpions, right? ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-11-future-eve-nex-goods-dwarf-USD70-monocle ) And yeah: That was a really good idea, right? And worked out so well... |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
83
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:04:00 -
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I think they try get as much money from this game b4 ps4 and games come out and fvked them over |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1699
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:05:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite. Did you not read Mintchips post? |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2553
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:07:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite.
CCP Nothin left a long time ago after most of his hard work over the past 3 years was undermined by the now departed EP, among other reasons. (not a cause and effect, more pointing out there is no one left to undo the damage)
DUST 514 is practically a case study is mismanagement. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
337
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:08:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ah another day and more problems in the world of dust. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1432
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:09:00 -
[43] - Quote
meh i got one i really need to catch up on my SP lol |
The Lion ElJonson
1st legion The Dark Angels
33
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:14:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! Now that's what I call a response. No sarcastic answers, me I would of banned you for talk like that. I like to throw money on this game every week because I want it to get bigger and better. You can play this game for years and not spend a penny. If your short on cash, get a paper round kid, |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
287
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:23:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite. Did you not read Mintchips post?
Sure, I did, and I understood what she was saying perfectly: technically, this isn't an increase in price, rather it is a 'restoration' of price.
Also, technically speaking, the French won the second world war...
However, more than anything, I was trying to point out to our dear fan of CCP that perhaps it was CCP who were suffering from delusions rather than them being sane and the rest of the world mad. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
432
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:31:00 -
[46] - Quote
CCP Dev team particularly at 0.40 |
xp3ll3d dust
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
85
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:32:00 -
[47] - Quote
I picked up 3 Omega boosters during the initial release. I had been waiting for months for them to release them again so I could stock up with even more this time. Unfortunately the price jump is just too high to justify them this time. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
738
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
Intended price or not, it's way too high. Please try to justify over 30 dollars for this item, I'd love to hear it. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1412
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:36:00 -
[49] - Quote
Gods Architect wrote:^^ You can do what most do. Don't buy it... you know its still an option I actually wanted to buy it, but considering the most i can afford is (ANOTHER) vet pack..
Not only i would get the SAME stuff i already have, but it would only allow me to buy 1 passive omega booster. I, just dont think is that good of a deal.
for 100k AUR i can buy two 30day booster bundles for 2 months active an 2 months passive and still have AUR left.
I'll have to pass on this deal CCP. Thanks,but not thanks.
I just hope when you release the ''ELite pack'' containing templar blueprints you make it worth while my 100$.... |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
258
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:39:00 -
[50] - Quote
This smells a little like monocle-gate ... Shame we can't shoot or protest in the warbarge or similar! |
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Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
359
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:44:00 -
[51] - Quote
I just bought a bunch. It's a fair price: 2x the SP for a little over 2x the price in half the time. If you're willing to get those SP more slowly then you have that choice too. I'm happy to help fund the game so some of you guys can keep playing for free. |
Sgt Buttscratch
SLAPHAPPY BANDITS
854
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:51:00 -
[52] - Quote
If only they'd fix/release content that would make me want to give $$. As it stands the game is stale and 1.5 is a pointless and minor patch.
Also is it not considered pay to win letting players advance their SP gain using RL money? |
Disfool
Team Bitch-Slap
2
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:55:00 -
[53] - Quote
I think most people in the forums are forgetting that they are BOOSTERS... for the price you guys are paying you are going at double the speed of someone not spending any money... So you guys are complaining about the price of something that after a month (if used to its fullest) puts you 1 month ahead of a player not paying but doing the same amount of work? If i could afford to get the boosters i would, but guess what, i dont need a boost right now, if i had paid and gotten the boosters from day 1 i would be at 30mill sp, but im at 16mill sp instead because i didnt pay, but you guys are saying its too expensive to gain twice as much and it bugs me. Pretty much double anything you can buy cost alot more if you go for what is twice as good as what you were going to buy.
If you guys keep complaining about the price of the BOOSTERS... your just spoiled kids crying because something changed and you can no longer get your bottle anymore, sorry, no more bottle :( |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
289
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
Disfool wrote:I think most people in the forums are forgetting that they are BOOSTERS... for the price you guys are paying you are going at double the speed of someone not spending any money... So you guys are complaining about the price of something that after a month (if used to its fullest) puts you 1 month ahead of a player not paying but doing the same amount of work? If i could afford to get the boosters i would, but guess what, i dont need a boost right now, if i had paid and gotten the boosters from day 1 i would be at 30mill sp, but im at 16mill sp instead because i didnt pay, but you guys are saying its too expensive to gain twice as much and it bugs me. Pretty much double anything you can buy cost alot more if you go for what is twice as good as what you were going to buy.
If you guys keep complaining about the price of the BOOSTERS... your just spoiled kids crying because something changed and you can no longer get your bottle anymore, sorry, no more bottle :(
It bugs you that people are letting a company know that it is being delusional with the pricing of its goods, and that they would sell more if the price was lower, and that they should lower prices given demand for their product is already tanking? Son, you got issues... |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2195
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:09:00 -
[55] - Quote
It's totally optional and it's not P2W, so what's the fuss?
Yeah, one guy might be able to afford it when you can't, but:
A) You don't have to keep up with the Joneses
B) That guy is funding the game so you can play
There will always be someone with more SP, whether they started before you, played more than you, or spent more cash than you. It really doesn't matter which one.
The gme may be F2P but it isn't F2Develop. It needs a revenue stream and this is probably a very good one. I think too many people see F2P and assume that nobody should pay, or those who do shouldn't get anything for it. That's just not thinking things through. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1857
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Let me get this straight: you are upset at a company for providing a free game with an optional market for real purchases where they set the price to make the money to develop the game in such a way that they can afford to offer it for free, and you are in no way obligated to purchase anything from the store.
Got.
Self-entitlement. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1702
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:14:00 -
[57] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Oh look, another poor person with an entitlement complex. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
289
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Forlorn Destrier wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Let me get this straight: you are upset at a company for providing a free game with an optional market for real purchases where they set the price to make the money to develop the game in such a way that they can afford to offer it for free, and you are in no way obligated to purchase anything from the store. Got. Self-entitlement.
For some people it's about greed. For others like me it's about stupidity. Y'know the kind of stupidity where you have to actually test a 400 warpoint limit for the Academy before you know it's a bad idea? Yeah, that kind of stupidity, expanded to everything else a company does. These guys apparently have a professional accountant employed, who didn't feel the need to inform them of the thing he should have learnt in his very first lesson on the subject: lower prices to increase demand. You're going to tell me demand for Dust is healthy given the peak user trendline? |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1413
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Also is it not considered pay to win letting players advance their SP gain using RL money?
well actually its not. Having better equipment and skills doesnt mean you'll win.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:37:00 -
[60] - Quote
Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Mac Dac wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
how much is that in US dollars? Well 40k AUR is $20 so a little more then $30. I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/ Gé¼20 is $27. Price is over $31.25.... so you're saving kiddo. As trading back to euro.. $31.25 = Gé¼23.11 |
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1108
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
Marketing is OP, please nerf prices. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
890
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
It sure does! But it also doesn't mean they're not a bad idea in their current form, either. My people will be in touch with your people soon and hopefully we can brainstorm some improvements. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
232
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Oh look, another poor person with an entitlement complex.
boba's fetta wrote: ahhh sweet sweet peasent tears.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
58
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 22:57:00 -
[64] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Oh look, another poor person with an entitlement complex.
Did you really just say that?
Must be an fox news loving american. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1528
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 23:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
Aran Abbas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite.
Other than being a mouthy bastard -- do you have any actual information to share with us? Do you think lowering the price of omega boosters will entice more people to start playing the game? Really? Maybe you have some inside information concerning the revenues of CCP versus costs? Maybe you know if CCP is trying to determine optimal rates for once they do get more players on?
What in the slim shady depths of hell do you actually know? |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:30:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP you are fools. Or at least your marketing division.
The aforementioned product (Booster) I imagine is costing you next to... $0 to employ? Right? So essentially you're making 100% profit. If you're making that much profit you LOWER the price, because you want more sales. The HIGHER the price the LESS sales you make hence the LESS profit you generate.
At this point in time that booster costs roughly $30. From this booster, in the time-frame of a month you gain 1,344,000 Skill points. So one would be paying $30 for that many skill points. That can't even buy you level 5 on, say, maxing your CPU upgrade for 0. In a FTP game If I give you -ú30 I STILL can't get that measly 25% CPU reduction (which isn't measly but, you get the point). It may seem like a weird example and I'm SURE you don't think about it like that, but people who buy these things tend to do the maths, and you aren't at all.
Let's suppose, and I'm English so I'll be talking in terms of Sterling (-ú), an Omega booster costs me roughly -ú10. Great, I will definitely buy one EVEN THOUGH I've never bought any AURUM based product on Dust, that sounds like a bargain. charge me close to -ú30? No. Now, I know what you're thinking that means you're making less profit per month if I'm buying one a month, however that's supposing I even BUY one a month. At $30 a month (Which is significantly higher than most subscription based games) you really think people are going to buy this more than once? Sure maybe some rich ******* or the lonely neckbeards but not your average player, no way.
On a product that costs you next to nothing (I imagine, correct if I'm wrong) where there is no delivery and no stakeholders to pay when you are making probably close to 100% profit you DO NOT raise the price higher than your average player. On an item where all you make is profit you want to make it cheap so that everyone can buy it, and buy it often.
People are even likely to buy in bulk at a cheaper price, offer some economies of scale or something! You just can't slap a random price tag without actually working out how ridiculous your pricing strategy is.
I appreciate it's a free game, but charging $30 for something that only lasts a month and really isn't even that great is just shocking. One can buy a game that lasts for months for less money. And if I'm right, one can actually subscribe to EVE online for less!!!
Morale of the story CCP: If you aim to satisfy your customers, your wallet will be satisfied. IF you aim to satisfy your wallet then your customers will not be satisfied, and neither will your wallet.
NB: My figures may be a little off, I'm going of the number I'm told are apparent. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
86
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 23:31:00 -
[67] - Quote
30$ for a booster? i've already spent so much on this game...i think i'll pass on this one.... |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1529
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 23:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
Do the math...
If I sell 50 widgets at $100 dollars vs 200 widgets at $20 what's the better plan for a profit seeking company? I'd provide more examples concerning a way to nip consumers at their individual price points but I'm sure that's way beyond the level of the average troll to comprehend. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
58
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 23:43:00 -
[69] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:Do the math...
If I sell 50 widgets at $100 dollars vs 200 widgets at $20 what's the better plan for a profit seeking company? I'd provide more examples concerning a way to nip consumers at their individual price points but I'm sure that's way beyond the level of the average troll to comprehend.
I think you example is loaded. You cut the price by 1/5th but only increased sales by 4 times which is dishonest not knowing how the price would effect demand.
Since this is an instantly consumable high-demand good that is needed constantly, odds are that those who would have bought $100 worth of widgets would still spend close to the same if not more, while at the same time increasing the amount of people whom would buy, most likely drastically.
I think if we were to be honest CCP just left a bunch of money on the floor. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1532
|
Posted - 2013.09.30 23:45:00 -
[70] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:I think you example is loaded. You cut the price by 1/5th but only increased sales by 4 times which is dishonest not knowing how the price would effect demand.
Since this is an instantly consumable high-demand good that is needed constantly, odds are that those who would have bought $100 worth of widgets would still spend close to the same if not more, while at the same time increasing the amount of people whom would buy, most likely drastically.
I think if we were to be honest CCP just left a bunch of money on the floor.
Of course the example is loaded... but the only way to find out what happens is to give it a shot and see how demand ACTUALLY responds to price changes. |
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HyperionsThunder
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
52
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:You mad bro? Like a fuckin Hatter.
10/06 just around the corner. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
756
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 00:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
843 Epidemic wrote:CCP you are fools. Or at least your marketing division.
The aforementioned product (Booster) I imagine is costing you next to... $0 to employ? Right? So essentially you're making 100% profit. If you're making that much profit you LOWER the price, because you want more sales. The HIGHER the price the LESS sales you make hence the LESS profit you generate.
At this point in time that booster costs roughly $30. From this booster, in the time-frame of a month you gain 1,344,000 Skill points. So one would be paying $30 for that many skill points. That can't even buy you level 5 on, say, maxing your CPU upgrade for 0. In a FTP game If I give you -ú30 I STILL can't get that measly 25% CPU reduction (which isn't measly but, you get the point). It may seem like a weird example and I'm SURE you don't think about it like that, but people who buy these things tend to do the maths, and you aren't at all.
Let's suppose, and I'm English so I'll be talking in terms of Sterling (-ú), an Omega booster costs me roughly -ú10. Great, I will definitely buy one EVEN THOUGH I've never bought any AURUM based product on Dust, that sounds like a bargain. charge me close to -ú30? No. Now, I know what you're thinking that means you're making less profit per month if I'm buying one a month, however that's supposing I even BUY one a month. At $30 a month (Which is significantly higher than most subscription based games) you really think people are going to buy this more than once? Sure maybe some rich ******* or the lonely neckbeards but not your average player, no way.
On a product that costs you next to nothing (I imagine, correct if I'm wrong) where there is no delivery and no stakeholders to pay when you are making probably close to 100% profit you DO NOT raise the price higher than your average player. On an item where all you make is profit you want to make it cheap so that everyone can buy it, and buy it often.
People are even likely to buy in bulk at a cheaper price, offer some economies of scale or something! You just can't slap a random price tag without actually working out how ridiculous your pricing strategy is.
I appreciate it's a free game, but charging $30 for something that only lasts a month and really isn't even that great is just shocking. One can buy a game that lasts for months for less money. And if I'm right, one can actually subscribe to EVE online for less!!!
Morale of the story CCP: If you aim to satisfy your customers, your wallet will be satisfied. IF you aim to satisfy your wallet then your customers will not be satisfied, and neither will your wallet.
NB: My figures may be a little off, I'm going of the number I'm told are apparent.
The only fools are the ones who buy it and expect anything more then an extra 1 mil SP a month. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1371
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 00:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Mac Dac wrote:Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
how much is that in US dollars? Well 40k AUR is $20 so a little more then $30. I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/ Well we sold our souls to corporations and traded living wages for cheap stuff and cheap credit. The grass isn't always greener. We are always a serious illness away from the poor farm as well. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1371
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 00:53:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tallen Ellecon wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:CCP you are fools. Or at least your marketing division.
The aforementioned product (Booster) I imagine is costing you next to... $0 to employ? Right? So essentially you're making 100% profit. If you're making that much profit you LOWER the price, because you want more sales. The HIGHER the price the LESS sales you make hence the LESS profit you generate.
At this point in time that booster costs roughly $30. From this booster, in the time-frame of a month you gain 1,344,000 Skill points. So one would be paying $30 for that many skill points. That can't even buy you level 5 on, say, maxing your CPU upgrade for 0. In a FTP game If I give you -ú30 I STILL can't get that measly 25% CPU reduction (which isn't measly but, you get the point). It may seem like a weird example and I'm SURE you don't think about it like that, but people who buy these things tend to do the maths, and you aren't at all.
Let's suppose, and I'm English so I'll be talking in terms of Sterling (-ú), an Omega booster costs me roughly -ú10. Great, I will definitely buy one EVEN THOUGH I've never bought any AURUM based product on Dust, that sounds like a bargain. charge me close to -ú30? No. Now, I know what you're thinking that means you're making less profit per month if I'm buying one a month, however that's supposing I even BUY one a month. At $30 a month (Which is significantly higher than most subscription based games) you really think people are going to buy this more than once? Sure maybe some rich ******* or the lonely neckbeards but not your average player, no way.
On a product that costs you next to nothing (I imagine, correct if I'm wrong) where there is no delivery and no stakeholders to pay when you are making probably close to 100% profit you DO NOT raise the price higher than your average player. On an item where all you make is profit you want to make it cheap so that everyone can buy it, and buy it often.
People are even likely to buy in bulk at a cheaper price, offer some economies of scale or something! You just can't slap a random price tag without actually working out how ridiculous your pricing strategy is.
I appreciate it's a free game, but charging $30 for something that only lasts a month and really isn't even that great is just shocking. One can buy a game that lasts for months for less money. And if I'm right, one can actually subscribe to EVE online for less!!!
Morale of the story CCP: If you aim to satisfy your customers, your wallet will be satisfied. IF you aim to satisfy your wallet then your customers will not be satisfied, and neither will your wallet.
NB: My figures may be a little off, I'm going of the number I'm told are apparent. The only fools are the ones who buy it and expect anything more then an extra 1 mil SP a month.
Extra 720,000 for $32 |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1006
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 00:58:00 -
[75] - Quote
All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1006
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
Quote:
I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/
$20 is 14.79 Euros... |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1371
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Quote:
I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/
$20 is 14.79 Euros...
You've got to be sh1tting me |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
359
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:Do the math...
If I sell 50 widgets at $100 dollars vs 200 widgets at $20 what's the better plan for a profit seeking company? I'd provide more examples concerning a way to nip consumers at their individual price points but I'm sure that's way beyond the level of the average troll to comprehend. Better example: you get 50 widgets for $100 or 100 widgets for $200 (+ a modest premium for having it delivered in half the time: 1 month instead of 2). That actually sounds pretty f*cking normal to me. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1372
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:09:00 -
[79] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up!
I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living.
$32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1372
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:17:00 -
[80] - Quote
843 Epidemic wrote:CCP you are fools. Or at least your marketing division.
The aforementioned product (Booster) I imagine is costing you next to... $0 to employ? Right? So essentially you're making 100% profit. If you're making that much profit you LOWER the price, because you want more sales. The HIGHER the price the LESS sales you make hence the LESS profit you generate.
At this point in time that booster costs roughly $30. From this booster, in the time-frame of a month you gain 1,344,000 Skill points. So one would be paying $30 for that many skill points. That can't even buy you level 5 on, say, maxing your CPU upgrade for 0. In a FTP game If I give you -ú30 I STILL can't get that measly 25% CPU reduction (which isn't measly but, you get the point). It may seem like a weird example and I'm SURE you don't think about it like that, but people who buy these things tend to do the maths, and you aren't at all.
Let's suppose, and I'm English so I'll be talking in terms of Sterling (-ú), an Omega booster costs me roughly -ú10. Great, I will definitely buy one EVEN THOUGH I've never bought any AURUM based product on Dust, that sounds like a bargain. charge me close to -ú30? No. Now, I know what you're thinking that means you're making less profit per month if I'm buying one a month, however that's supposing I even BUY one a month. At $30 a month (Which is significantly higher than most subscription based games) you really think people are going to buy this more than once? Sure maybe some rich ******* or the lonely neckbeards but not your average player, no way.
On a product that costs you next to nothing (I imagine, correct if I'm wrong) where there is no delivery and no stakeholders to pay when you are making probably close to 100% profit you DO NOT raise the price higher than your average player. On an item where all you make is profit you want to make it cheap so that everyone can buy it, and buy it often.
People are even likely to buy in bulk at a cheaper price, offer some economies of scale or something! You just can't slap a random price tag without actually working out how ridiculous your pricing strategy is.
I appreciate it's a free game, but charging $30 for something that only lasts a month and really isn't even that great is just shocking. One can buy a game that lasts for months for less money. And if I'm right, one can actually subscribe to EVE online for less!!!
Morale of the story CCP: If you aim to satisfy your customers, your wallet will be satisfied. IF you aim to satisfy your wallet then your customers will not be satisfied, and neither will your wallet.
NB: My figures may be a little off, I'm going of the number I'm told are apparent. You are getting an extra 24,000 per day. It's around 720,000 that you GAIN. You get the other 24,000 just for activating the Passive SP on that character. If it were that much of a gain I'd start to come around on it.
I'm also guessing that 90% of those that are supportive of the price haven't contributed much in the form of currency for this game. And won't be purchasing a booster regardless of price. I've spent hundreds on this game. This is me talking as a customer that expects a fair price for a product.
I've been okay with the AUR gouging up to this point, but this price is too much. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1539
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:24:00 -
[81] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've been okay with the AUR gouging up to this point, but this price is too much.
I think that's the whole point of the exercise.
In aggregate, what happens at a different price level... when everyone decides whether or not they want it.
Will people who haven't already purchased a merc pack bundle it that way? Will folks who already went the merc pack route hold off? Moving the price around equates to research.
Well, that and QQ generation! |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1313
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:26:00 -
[82] - Quote
Lol I've placed a meager 30 bucks on bets I have lost. I want the omega. And I shall have the omega. It's really not that serious ya know. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1007
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:26:00 -
[83] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living. $32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery Then like I said, don't buy them. it's really easy. Just. Don't. By them. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1372
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:28:00 -
[84] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've been okay with the AUR gouging up to this point, but this price is too much. I think that's the whole point of the exercise. In aggregate, what happens at a different price level... when everyone decides whether or not they want it. Will people who haven't already purchased a merc pack bundle it that way? Will folks who already went the merc pack route hold off? Moving the price around equates to research. Well, that and QQ generation!
Have you seen prices move at any point in this game? There have been a few sales, but the prices don't move. They've gone up but this isn't some active market that rises and falls based on market activity. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1373
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:30:00 -
[85] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living. $32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery Then like I said, don't buy them. it's really easy. Just. Don't. By them.
Sorry to disappoint but I want to see this game succeed. The CPM has already said they have requested an audience with CCP over this price. It's too high, it's that simple.
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1704
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:36:00 -
[86] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Did you really just say that?
Must be another fox news loving american.
So let me put this a way that your Reagan worshipping mind might understand.
Remember the dis-proven Laffer curve? The one where if you tax at a higher rate you get less taxes? Well supply and demand works kinda the same way. This means that by pricing these items so high, CCP has actually decreased the amount of profit they could make from these items. (i know incredibly simplified but consider the audience.)
If priced at fanfair pricing, people may have bought enough of these boosters for a year, spending hundreds each. Instead they decided to overcharge for them and most have turned away.
Dear shoeless hippy,
How about you let capitalism work. If they arent selling well, CCP can do something about it on their own.
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
579
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:36:00 -
[87] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
so, don't buy them... ya cheap bastid. |
RIPRISING GONE RAMBO
Living Like Larry Schwag
15
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
Buddy you are soo right but i gotta love how ccp responds to your post as if it were really a misunderstanding and not a flat out rant :) |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1009
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 01:53:00 -
[89] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:
Sorry to disappoint but I want to see this game succeed. The CPM has already said they have requested an audience with CCP over this price. It's too high, it's that simple.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the price of Omega Boosters will not make or break this game. There are plenty of players now that do and will continue to play for free, and many others who will join and do the same.
There are also many players who are more than content to use regular active and passive boosters.
Simply because the CPM are opposed to the price does not mean a change is set in stone. They are there to bring the community's concerns to CCP. Honestly there are thing which should be a larger priority to the CPM such as the missing Racial Variants of Certain Dropsuits and Vehicles. Funny how they never really show up in those threads despite overwhelming community concern, but they show up in this weak ass rant thread on page three voicing their protest to AUR items...
Seems to me like some of the CPM may be letting their personal agenda effect their role as a community representative. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
59
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 02:01:00 -
[90] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Did you really just say that?
Must be another fox news loving american.
So let me put this a way that your Reagan worshipping mind might understand.
Remember the dis-proven Laffer curve? The one where if you tax at a higher rate you get less taxes? Well supply and demand works kinda the same way. This means that by pricing these items so high, CCP has actually decreased the amount of profit they could make from these items. (i know incredibly simplified but consider the audience.)
If priced at fanfair pricing, people may have bought enough of these boosters for a year, spending hundreds each. Instead they decided to overcharge for them and most have turned away.
Dear shoeless hippy, How about you let capitalism work. If they arent selling well, CCP can do something about it on their own.
Dear Mr. Republican (I can't think of a worse insult tbh),
I know your educational system is horrible, and you live in a neopotism based economy, so I forgive your cro-magnon views on the poor (btw jesus loved the poor and hated the rich). This is reality though, we are looking to engage in a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship with CCP as consumers.
While I have no problem walking away from the omega boosters, I do have a problem with mismanagement in the marketing division of a game company I greatly enjoy. They are throwing away GOBS of money, and that type of descision making process does not inspire confidence in the future of this game I enjoy.
Oh and to the people complaining about baying more in Euros, be glad we don't have many Tea Partiers or american republican/christians. I know I will gladly pay more to keep that type of society out. |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2015
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! No |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
802
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:65k for the Omega booster? That's a ******* 33% increase from the previously released ones.
Are you on crack?
That's the greediest ******* **** I've seen since War Z's server fiasco. (now called Zombie Survival Stories or some stupid ****).
Don't give me that supply and demand bullshit either. Purposely limiting items to raise the demand doesn't justify increasing the damn price by 33%. That's shady as fuckin hell.
How hilarious it is, that after all the bullshit I've waded through on the development team, and not minding the length of time it takes to create a decent game, It's the marketing team that makes me say **** you and your game.
See you on the PS4 if you ever ******* make it there with you greedy assholes.
Awww QQQQ.
Deal with it.
Went on vacation during the offseason. Why?
Well during the regular season all motel rooms are double or triple at most vacation spots.
Business. Deal with it. |
lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
89
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:26:00 -
[93] - Quote
Ummmm....I actually have to fully agree with the OP on this one and say that the marketing team is very very very wrong. Why, the answer is very simple, for close to the price of 1 omega booster, I can buy freaking Skyrim for 30 bucks as well, and that's a full triple A game with really great plot, graphics, etc. I'm not trying to say which game is better....(Skyrim by miles) but I'm trying to point out the fact that I can buy a full game that was professionally worked on for way more hours then Dust 514 has been, has active support by a modding community, for the same price as an Omega booster which is just DLC and not even that great of DLC at that.
I thought about buying a lot of things on Dust before in the past, but the simple truth is, the prices are far to high for the service currently being provided as exampled within being able to purchase Skyrim for around the same price. I'm sure you all have seen the 100k and 200k weapon packs and things like that. How most of the gear is literally trash gear, things that most people won't even use and people just buy them to support the company. But my counterpoint as a consumer who wants the most for his money, is that these products are sub par for what is being given and far out weigh any benefits they might give.
The best deal for people wanting to get intrested in the game which is the merc pack, is being taken down and I think permanetly, unless they plan to offer a merc pack 3, but I doubt it. But how many of you are actually willing to spend 50 dollars for the Vet pack on a game that isn't finished and is constantly in what most would call a beta. 20 dollars was the exact right amount for a game that is untested, so yeah to me the marketing deparment/sales department for Dust are out of their minds. They are eliminating reasons to actually buy the Aurum and making the packages far to expensive for the contents within them, not to mention that the elite and vetern packs are race exclusive suits within that you can't pick what race you want.
So by these measures, I agree with the OP, not out of blind hate, but out of being a savy consumer, who wants to spend his money wisely and feel that the corporation he is giving the money to values the money he is spending. I want Dust to do very well and to become a great game, but I am not going to just throw good money at a developer for no reason.
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Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
545
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Posted - 2013.10.01 04:42:00 -
[94] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Did you really just say that?
Must be another fox news loving american.
So let me put this a way that your Reagan worshipping mind might understand.
Remember the dis-proven Laffer curve? The one where if you tax at a higher rate you get less taxes? Well supply and demand works kinda the same way. This means that by pricing these items so high, CCP has actually decreased the amount of profit they could make from these items. (i know incredibly simplified but consider the audience.)
If priced at fanfair pricing, people may have bought enough of these boosters for a year, spending hundreds each. Instead they decided to overcharge for them and most have turned away.
Dear shoeless hippy, How about you let capitalism work. If they arent selling well, CCP can do something about it on their own. Dear Mr. Republican (I can't think of a worse insult tbh), I know your educational system is horrible, and you live in a neopotism based economy, so I forgive your cro-magnon views on the poor (btw jesus loved the poor and hated the rich). This is reality though, we are looking to engage in a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship with CCP as consumers. While I have no problem walking away from the omega boosters, I do have a problem with mismanagement in the marketing division of a game company I greatly enjoy. They are throwing away GOBS of money, and that type of descision making process does not inspire confidence in the future of this game I enjoy. Oh and to the people complaining about baying more in Euros, be glad we don't have many Tea Partiers or american republican/christians. I know I will gladly pay more to keep that type of society out.
1. Very nice post
2. Democrats for the win.
3. I am glad people here think it is reasonable that spending 30 dollars for ~750,000 SP is "worth it". The developers keep the game afloat, and I don't have to pay anymore than I already did (spent 20 dollars on this game, probably won't spend another for at least another year; grad school does that to you). Next time Dustbunnies start yelling about how much money they spent on a game with slow progress and demand faster updates, we can laugh at them harder.
4. Go CCP!
P.S.: CCP, please put this game on the PS4 eventually, I'm tired of the PS3 limiting our draw distance and player count (in batles) because it is outdated technology. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1772
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Posted - 2013.10.01 04:47:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding!
Faceplam, way to miss the point... But... EVERY OTHER GAME EVER MAKES THINGS LESS EXPENSIVE AS THE BONUS GETS BIGGER
I yelled from the rooftops, but no devs hear because they are crazy sometimes.
I guess you think it's not worth double since it's double the exp in the same timeframe. But there is still over 30 examples of other MMOs with the same item as the omega booster and they are cheaper than the smaller bonuses.
What kind of design team do you have in there! Don't you want money?
I felt the same way with the 80$ monocle and T-shirts in eve online in the MT Store are still more expensive than shirts in real life.... |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:54:00 -
[96] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living. $32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery Then like I said, don't buy them. it's really easy. Just. Don't. By them. Sorry to disappoint but I want to see this game succeed. The CPM has already said they have requested an audience with CCP over this price. It's too high, it's that simple.
I don't think the CPM's concern is over the price, but the current form of the boosters. What I feel many people forget is that Yes, lower price point would mean more money for ccp, but then more people would advance too fast potentially screwing the game up |
Shrapnels
The Order 1886
217
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:05:00 -
[97] - Quote
dammmm what a scam |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
289
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:06:00 -
[98] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:You may find logic and reality often do not intrude into this realm. Are you talking about the playerbase or CCP? Because I'm pretty sure any economist worth his salt would say that when demand for your product is tanking (based on peak user trendline) you lower prices rather than increase them. Only a ****** would do the opposite. Other than being a mouthy bastard -- do you have any actual information to share with us? Do you think lowering the price of omega boosters will entice more people to start playing the game? Really? Maybe you have some inside information concerning the revenues of CCP versus costs? Maybe you know if CCP is trying to determine optimal rates for once they do get more players on? What in the slim shady depths of hell do you actually know?
400 warpoints is eight kills, or four hacks. It is a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see if that is a bad warpoint cap for the Academy.
$30 for 720k skillpoints... immediately? No. After a week? No. After a whole month. It takes a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see that the sane majority will spend that money on an actual AAA title rather than to get level 5 in the hacking skill for an incomplete product that is haemorrhaging players. |
fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:15:00 -
[99] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:CCP is a business so yes they want money. Deal with it. McDonalds is a business, you don't see them increasing the price of the damn McRib by 33% each time they release it. I don't deal with shady fuckin business practices. tell me...how the f*** do you know what mcdonald's does with there prices. like micky d's aint shady, you sound like a douche....... a company that POISONS there customers for PROFIT.. ha!!! i guarantee that they take an item of to INCREASE THEIR VALUE. it just makes people want them more. you sir do not understand but I do understand that these are only for rich kids seeing how us cheapskates are gonna buy the cheaper ones cuz they offer the same for cheaper just takes more time but you still have like 8,00 more aurum left. so because i understand a lil business that is what i will do ... quit b****in. i totally promote RICH KIDS WITH NO SKILLS buying as much boosters as they can so it will make our game BETTER get the point? |
Calroon DeVil
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:29:00 -
[100] - Quote
Guys come on, it's common sense. Dust is dying at a rapid rate and the ones staying have to make up for the loss of cash in form of a price increase. Not really complicated. Suck it up and pay. I heard rumors that if you buy enough of them, eventually there will be a PC version of the game |
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1929
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:47:00 -
[101] - Quote
I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
The idea that someone's paying roughly 30$ a month for a dream that hasn't been realized. Twice the 'industry standard' for a subscription fee, for a game that's horribly incomplete and riddled with problems. It's straight up offensive. Then add in omega boosters that hike that up to $50+ a month? Talk about a kick in the balls.
But you know what's even more sad than the perception within CCP that this is fine to do?
The fact that people are still going to buy the **** out of it, because they want to 'stay competitive' and because it gives a definite advantage to the people who have it. It's the very nature of a pvp gamer's mentality. Gravitate towards the best items, take any advantage you can get... even if you have to pay for it.
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
287
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 08:51:00 -
[102] - Quote
The higher price of Omega boosters wasn't revealed until it hit the market. Some people had already loaded up funds onto PSN expecting the initial price.
That's pretty shady, but the lesson here is look before you leap.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
201
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 09:19:00 -
[103] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Quote:
I hate that everything is cheaper in America. It's 20Gé¼ in Europe. :/
$20 is 14.79 Euros... You've got to be sh1tting me Nope. Now that the US government has shut down you can expect the value of the dollar to drop a bit more... The Democrats and Republicans had a spat over who got the most cookies off the cookie tray, and refused to pass funding for the next year....
*sigh* |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
280
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 09:20:00 -
[104] - Quote
It astounds me in this day and age with the living example of the success of Apple & Android App + Music stores and Steam sales that marketing departments still haven't learned the power of microtransactions. Its like they are trapped in the 70s ... running a department store, not a 21st century electronic business. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1932
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:29:00 -
[105] - Quote
Shion Typhon wrote:It astounds me in this day and age with the living example of the success of Apple & Android App + Music stores and Steam sales that marketing departments still haven't learned the power of microtransactions. Its like they are trapped in the 70s ... running a department store, not a 21st century electronic business.
Exactly.
CCP is not getting the 'micro' part of microtransactions.
:( |
DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
90
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 09:30:00 -
[106] - Quote
Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:This is the original intended price, the previous price was a promotional price. I understand you might think that is shady, but it's not at all. The lowered price enabled us to test the waters, allowing more people to get the item at a lower cost so we could see the impact on a larger scale to our system. This price is the non-sale price. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding! It sure does! But it also doesn't mean they're not a bad idea in their current form, either. My people will be in touch with your people soon and hopefully we can brainstorm some improvements.
Please let's just remove Omega boosters from the market and never again talk about them. IMO compared to standard boosters the pricing is fair from my point of view - yes, I would charge for items giving two times the advantage at least 2 times, most real world item pricing is pretty similar (for an example see home routers vs enterprise routers, they both can do pretty much the same, but perform differently)
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
90
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 09:32:00 -
[107] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
[--snip--]
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do.
Agree 100% on that, but based on current pricing see my post above |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1188
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Did you really just say that?
Must be another fox news loving american.
So let me put this a way that your Reagan worshipping mind might understand.
Remember the dis-proven Laffer curve? The one where if you tax at a higher rate you get less taxes? Well supply and demand works kinda the same way. This means that by pricing these items so high, CCP has actually decreased the amount of profit they could make from these items. (i know incredibly simplified but consider the audience.)
If priced at fanfair pricing, people may have bought enough of these boosters for a year, spending hundreds each. Instead they decided to overcharge for them and most have turned away.
Dear shoeless hippy, How about you let capitalism work. If they arent selling well, CCP can do something about it on their own. Dear Mr. Republican (I can't think of a worse insult tbh), I know your educational system is horrible, and you live in a neopotism based economy, so I forgive your cro-magnon views on the poor (btw jesus loved the poor and hated the rich). This is reality though, we are looking to engage in a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship with CCP as consumers. While I have no problem walking away from the omega boosters, I do have a problem with mismanagement in the marketing division of a game company I greatly enjoy. They are throwing away GOBS of money, and that type of descision making process does not inspire confidence in the future of this game I enjoy. Oh and to the people complaining about baying more in Euros, be glad we don't have many Tea Partiers or american republican/christians. I know I will gladly pay more to keep that type of society out.
Good points, but I gotta ask:
Did Jesus really hate? As a non-Christian I don't know much about these things, I know that God hates various people, like homosexuals, jews and transformers, but Jesus hating? Really? |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1541
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:45:00 -
[109] - Quote
Aran Abbas wrote:400 warpoints is eight kills, or four hacks. It is a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see if that is a bad warpoint cap for the Academy.
$30 for 720k skillpoints... immediately? No. After a week? No. After a whole month. It takes a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see that the sane majority will spend that money on an actual AAA title rather than to get level 5 in the hacking skill for an incomplete product that is haemorrhaging players.
LOL, yes, and do you know the foundation of science and human progress?
Questioning the obvious to find out how things actually work. You might be right. You might be wrong. What does humanity do to advance itself -- it does an experiment.
Now, I don't know if this is an experiment, or simply a non-sale price level. I don't care.
If you don't want to buy the product don't ******* buy the product. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:57:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP is selling SP like drugs, and you addicted to it. I'll say the Marketing team are the "Dealers".
But, hey.. you can always find a Rehabilitation Center if you can't afforded. |
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hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
34
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:15:00 -
[111] - Quote
Omega booster prices are OP.......... Nerf |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1706
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:38:00 -
[112] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Did you really just say that?
Must be another fox news loving american.
So let me put this a way that your Reagan worshipping mind might understand.
Remember the dis-proven Laffer curve? The one where if you tax at a higher rate you get less taxes? Well supply and demand works kinda the same way. This means that by pricing these items so high, CCP has actually decreased the amount of profit they could make from these items. (i know incredibly simplified but consider the audience.)
If priced at fanfair pricing, people may have bought enough of these boosters for a year, spending hundreds each. Instead they decided to overcharge for them and most have turned away.
Dear shoeless hippy, How about you let capitalism work. If they arent selling well, CCP can do something about it on their own. Dear Mr. Republican (I can't think of a worse insult tbh), I know your educational system is horrible, and you live in a neopotism based economy, so I forgive your cro-magnon views on the poor (btw jesus loved the poor and hated the rich). This is reality though, we are looking to engage in a MUTUALLY beneficial relationship with CCP as consumers. While I have no problem walking away from the omega boosters, I do have a problem with mismanagement in the marketing division of a game company I greatly enjoy. They are throwing away GOBS of money, and that type of descision making process does not inspire confidence in the future of this game I enjoy. Oh and to the people complaining about baying more in Euros, be glad we don't have many Tea Partiers or american republican/christians. I know I will gladly pay more to keep that type of society out.
I never claimed I was a republican.
I just don't like people who reject common sense.
The party you choose to follow does not dictate the use of your brain, although in your case it appears that it might. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
290
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:400 warpoints is eight kills, or four hacks. It is a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see if that is a bad warpoint cap for the Academy.
$30 for 720k skillpoints... immediately? No. After a week? No. After a whole month. It takes a stupid individual or company that needs to run a test to see that the sane majority will spend that money on an actual AAA title rather than to get level 5 in the hacking skill for an incomplete product that is haemorrhaging players. LOL, yes, and do you know the foundation of science and human progress? Questioning the obvious to find out how things actually work. You might be right. You might be wrong. What does humanity do to advance itself -- it does an experiment. Now, I don't know if this is an experiment, or simply a non-sale price level. I don't care. If you don't want to buy the product don't ******* buy the product.
The foundation of science and human progress is not being dumb. This principle was discovered several hundred years ago. It has, unfortunately, not been adopted by everyone. Some still feel the need to do dumb things rather than taking a few seconds to think. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1644
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:54:00 -
[114] - Quote
Gods Architect wrote:^^ You can do what most do. Don't buy it... you know its still an option
Maybe, just maybe, letting them know how you feel rather than just withdrawing custom is a better way to have them improve their sales practices. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1706
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
The idea that someone's paying roughly 30$ a month for a dream that hasn't been realized. Twice the 'industry standard' for a subscription fee, for a game that's horribly incomplete and riddled with problems. It's straight up offensive. Then add in omega boosters that hike that up to $50+ a month? Talk about a kick in the balls.
But you know what's even more sad than the perception within CCP that this is fine to do?
The fact that people are still going to buy the **** out of it, because they want to 'stay competitive' and because it gives a definite advantage to the people who have it. It's the very nature of a pvp gamer's mentality. Gravitate towards the best items, take any advantage you can get... even if you have to pay for it.
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do.
Now this, on the other hand, is a post I can actually respect as it removes all sense of automatic entitlement and actually attempts to assess the worth of the product versus the competition on the market.
If you were to ask me, I would say that you are perhaps looking at things the wrong way. Ideally the standard, "boosted" service should meet roughly at where a subscription for a regular game would lie -- $15.00 US for example. If you pay the value raw and simply buy month-long boosters, it averages closer to 17$ for passive and active boosters (assuming you are being smart and buying veteran packs instead of raw aurum). It gets obviously gets crazier when you start going into Omega's.
As pointed out, however, you can virtually double the effectiveness of whatever aurum is set aside for the active boosters by strategically using them on 7 day boosters during Sunday hours -- effectively paying for one week of booster, but getting the SP of two. This actually reduces the overall cost of regular boosters to somewhere closer to the 10$ range per month which is typically less than a subscription based game. The passive booster remains the largest money sink, as there is no way to manipulate the performance of that. It is either on, or it's off.
The Omega sets obviously remain pricier than a regular subscription game, but again -- are cheaper if used strategically. I find it very difficult to recommend a passive omega booster though. Ideally, CCP would have to lower the price of the passive to make it more attractive but would have to keep the active around the same due to the strategic usage of it already making its value better than intended. |
Dante Kretschmer
D3LTA ACADEMY
89
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:00:00 -
[116] - Quote
The price is unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
As Nova Knife stated, it is twice the subscription of any other sub based MMO. For the incomplete game that Dust is, it's in no way justified
Two passive boosters are cheaper, i'd go with that were I to buy anything. I have the patience, because this price is for impatient people.
But increasing the price without saying that last omega boosters were a special promotion to test on us....BAD marketing move.
And besides that, it's just overpriced. Period. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1035
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:04:00 -
[117] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
The idea that someone's paying roughly 30$ a month for a dream that hasn't been realized. Twice the 'industry standard' for a subscription fee, for a game that's horribly incomplete and riddled with problems. It's straight up offensive. Then add in omega boosters that hike that up to $50+ a month? Talk about a kick in the balls.
But you know what's even more sad than the perception within CCP that this is fine to do?
The fact that people are still going to buy the **** out of it, because they want to 'stay competitive' and because it gives a definite advantage to the people who have it. It's the very nature of a pvp gamer's mentality. Gravitate towards the best items, take any advantage you can get... even if you have to pay for it.
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do. The problem here is, it is not a subscription fee.
Boosters are completely optional. You do not need them to "stay competitive"
I stay competitive without a hitch, and I have only bought two boosters since I started the game in March.
Just because some people's perception of what they need to stay competitive leads them to buy boosters, doesn't mean one must buy boosters to stay competitive.
You can only bring so much to a battle in terms of SP. Once you reach that point, everything else equates to having more options. If one wishes to reach this point 'faster' or to have more options 'faster' they may do so with boosters, but it is not required. The decision lies solely with the consumer.
If enough of the community is disgruntled over the price of boosters, then boosters would not sell. If boosters do not sell, the price would be lowered, no forum whining needed. This is the basic fundamental of a free enterprise system.
Clearly, the majority of the community are not up in arms over the price of boosters, so why do the CPM feel obligated to white knight for the whiners? This smells of personal agenda on the part of the CPM.
The majority of the player base, in my opinion, seems more concerned with the lack of basic content. We all want things that should have been here in May such as All racial dropsuits and vehicles. We also want additional content that could have been added by now, but hasn't such as different types of equipment, cloaking modules, for example, or different game modes, more maps, team deployment in FW. The list goes on and on. The price of boosters is not a concern for the majority of the player base, and shouldn't be for the CPM either.
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THE DRUNK CABBY
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:13:00 -
[118] - Quote
This is the plan to keep the new blood around, while closing the gap on you vets. As for the price they only have a handful of people that are buying aur for boosters. Be honest less people are gonna buy these now simply cause there's less around to buy. The new players aren't as invested as the beta guys. And they want to see how addicted you are. It's A digital item with no real world value .....so them just doubling the price is greedy yes but also a way to gauge the demand. Although had they sold them for half the old price the only thing it costs them is people leveling up quicker ,which shouldn't be a big deal to a game with a "5 year plan"
Game is one foot in the grave. Why waste your money for digital items for a dying game.
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:20:00 -
[119] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:CCP you are fools. Or at least your marketing division.
The aforementioned product (Booster) I imagine is costing you next to... $0 to employ? Right? So essentially you're making 100% profit. If you're making that much profit you LOWER the price, because you want more sales. The HIGHER the price the LESS sales you make hence the LESS profit you generate.
At this point in time that booster costs roughly $30. From this booster, in the time-frame of a month you gain 1,344,000 Skill points. So one would be paying $30 for that many skill points. That can't even buy you level 5 on, say, maxing your CPU upgrade for 0. In a FTP game If I give you -ú30 I STILL can't get that measly 25% CPU reduction (which isn't measly but, you get the point). It may seem like a weird example and I'm SURE you don't think about it like that, but people who buy these things tend to do the maths, and you aren't at all.
Let's suppose, and I'm English so I'll be talking in terms of Sterling (-ú), an Omega booster costs me roughly -ú10. Great, I will definitely buy one EVEN THOUGH I've never bought any AURUM based product on Dust, that sounds like a bargain. charge me close to -ú30? No. Now, I know what you're thinking that means you're making less profit per month if I'm buying one a month, however that's supposing I even BUY one a month. At $30 a month (Which is significantly higher than most subscription based games) you really think people are going to buy this more than once? Sure maybe some rich ******* or the lonely neckbeards but not your average player, no way.
On a product that costs you next to nothing (I imagine, correct if I'm wrong) where there is no delivery and no stakeholders to pay when you are making probably close to 100% profit you DO NOT raise the price higher than your average player. On an item where all you make is profit you want to make it cheap so that everyone can buy it, and buy it often.
People are even likely to buy in bulk at a cheaper price, offer some economies of scale or something! You just can't slap a random price tag without actually working out how ridiculous your pricing strategy is.
I appreciate it's a free game, but charging $30 for something that only lasts a month and really isn't even that great is just shocking. One can buy a game that lasts for months for less money. And if I'm right, one can actually subscribe to EVE online for less!!!
Morale of the story CCP: If you aim to satisfy your customers, your wallet will be satisfied. IF you aim to satisfy your wallet then your customers will not be satisfied, and neither will your wallet.
NB: My figures may be a little off, I'm going of the number I'm told are apparent. You are getting an extra 24,000 per day. It's around 720,000 that you GAIN. You get the other 24,000 just for activating the Passive SP on that character. If it were that much of a gain I'd start to come around on it. I'm also guessing that 90% of those that are supportive of the price haven't contributed much in the form of currency for this game. And won't be purchasing a booster regardless of price. I've spent hundreds on this game. This is me talking as a customer that expects a fair price for a product. I've been okay with the AUR gouging up to this point, but this price is too much.
Ah yes you are right about the figures, it was late when I wrote that I knew I would be off! But yes the point remains that the price is ridiculous, for paying customers like you or ones who don't like myself I really don't think anyone is interested in this. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
451
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:26:00 -
[120] - Quote
So far bought almost everything. Tried it out. Even at 46k 30+30 active passive makes a lot of sense. But 65k just isn't worth it. if it was 40k i'd still understand. but 65k is just a little too shady... You can hike up the price of a bentley, cause you can justify most of it. Can't ask for the same price hike for a toyota tho... |
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Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:38:00 -
[121] - Quote
$40 at Mc'd's or $40 in never never land.....hmmmmmm........... IM LOVIN IT!
Boosters are worthless to vets anyway. I got 3 mill and NOTHING to spend it on.
Dude, before you leave, go into a drunken rage, buy 100 dropships and just crash into people. It is SO MUCH fun! |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2203
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:15:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal. |
Ku Shala
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
558
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:46:00 -
[123] - Quote
Kane Fyea wrote:Ku Shala wrote:so for 3 times the price you get 2x the booster ... sold ! You pay 2x and like 9k extra (Which is reasonable to me seeing that you get 2x more SP 2x quicker) well since I buy it in a bundle for 46000 AUR I would consider a 30 day passive only 23k and I said sold |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1945
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:[ The problem here is, it is not a subscription fee.
CCP views them as a 'subscription item' which is a common thing in f2p games, is to introduce an option to buy X at 15$/month and recieve bacon in return.
Quote: Boosters are completely optional. You do not need them to "stay competitive"
I stay competitive without a hitch, and I have only bought two boosters since I started the game in March.
Just because some people's perception of what they need to stay competitive leads them to buy boosters, doesn't mean one must buy boosters to stay competitive.
Indeed. Hence the quotes in my OP. For the most part, a good player can excel with any amount of SP over a less skilled player with more SP. However, perception is one of the most powerful tools marketing has, and CCP is doing nothing short of taking advantage of pvp mentality and gouging people.
Quote: Clearly, the majority of the community are not up in arms over the price of boosters, so why do the CPM feel obligated to white knight for the whiners? This smells of personal agenda on the part of the CPM.
The majority of the player base, in my opinion, seems more concerned with the lack of basic content. We all want things that should have been here in May such as All racial dropsuits and vehicles. We also want additional content that could have been added by now, but hasn't such as different types of equipment, cloaking modules, for example, or different game modes, more maps, team deployment in FW. The list goes on and on. The price of boosters is not a concern for the majority of the player base, and shouldn't be for the CPM either.
EDIT: Furthermore, if you honestly believed most players' lifetime SP was such a huge factor, you should be advocating more SP gains in general, or the removal of the soft cap. Not everyone uses boosters, but everyone surely wants to stay competitive. If having more SP equates to staying competitive, what about the free players? Are they not a part of the community as well? Do they not deserve a voice?
Stop using your position in the CPM as a platform to achieve your personal agendas.
This has nothing to do with "white knighting" and everything to do with putting our foot down and stopping CCP from making horribly unethical decisions related to microtransactions. Let's be clear here. CCP is a business, and they need to make money. However, the ethics of microtransactions are highly debatable, and something I'd prefer not to derail the thread with a debate on it.
Yes, there is an agenda here though. The agenda is simple ; CCP needs to be given the message that prices this offensive are NOT okay. CCP trying to make money IS okay. CCP thinking they have a 'premium product' that is worth charging twice monthly what even their own counterpart to dust (Eve Online) is NOT okay.
If CCP is not given this message, they're inevitably going to tread down the darker path of microtransactions, and see them go back on their promise of "No pay to win" in earnest. Then the 'free gamer' will have truly lost their voice. (Not to mention, their ability to compete)
As for the other bit about "Y U NO PUSH FOR X INSTEAD" Let me put your mind at rest. Asking "So, when are getting that revamped SP system you promised us? New game modes? etc." Is something we do at an almost daily daily basis. Not only this, but it takes all of a few minutes to write up a post saying "No, I don't like these prices." Posting disapproval for one thing is not mutually exclusive with pushing for actual tangible progress and things to do in dust. Just saying. |
fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:48:00 -
[125] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
The idea that someone's paying roughly 30$ a month for a dream that hasn't been realized. Twice the 'industry standard' for a subscription fee, for a game that's horribly incomplete and riddled with problems. It's straight up offensive. Then add in omega boosters that hike that up to $50+ a month? Talk about a kick in the balls.
But you know what's even more sad than the perception within CCP that this is fine to do?
The fact that people are still going to buy the **** out of it, because they want to 'stay competitive' and because it gives a definite advantage to the people who have it. It's the very nature of a pvp gamer's mentality. Gravitate towards the best items, take any advantage you can get... even if you have to pay for it.
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do. Now this, on the other hand, is a post I can actually respect as it removes all sense of automatic entitlement and actually attempts to assess the worth of the product versus the competition on the market. If you were to ask me, I would say that you are perhaps looking at things the wrong way. Ideally the standard, "boosted" service should meet roughly at where a subscription for a regular game would lie -- $15.00 US for example. If you pay the value raw and simply buy month-long boosters, it averages closer to 17$ for passive and active boosters (assuming you are being smart and buying veteran packs instead of raw aurum). It gets obviously gets crazier when you start going into Omega' the problem with that is that we dont have to pay so alot of us dont.... majority of dust players are out of the loop so they dont know and alot of them proly dont pay. its easy to judge what your budgets at when that is a guarenteed 15$ a month rather then the number of people buying stuff constantly fluxuating. they price it like that to compete with the subscriptuon game. cuz remember you dont have to pay. sooooo.... you kinda sound like you wana have your cake and eat it too.... i agree though that omegas are pay to play priciple...... but i still agree they should be on the market even though sadly i will be buying the basics mot the omegas.
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fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:52:00 -
[126] - Quote
WHAT EVER!!! I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE WHAT THIS GAME BECOMES AND THE MORE MONEY YOU SHELL OUT THE BETTER AND FASTER IT WILLL |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1366
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:56:00 -
[127] - Quote
Throw your money at ccp you savage dogs! |
SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
114
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:08:00 -
[128] - Quote
Skihids wrote:CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal.
This. Also, another very common F2P tactic is a variant of this. You release something at a higher cost on purpose and later you put the item on "sale". That way the consumer feels they are getting a bargain and will rush to purchase before the "sale" is over.
For a list of some other common F2P sales tactics see the link below.
Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2206
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:39:00 -
[129] - Quote
SteelDark Knight wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal. This. Also, another very common F2P tactic is a variant of this. You release something at a higher cost on purpose and later you put the item on "sale". That way the consumer feels they are getting a bargain and will rush to purchase before the "sale" is over. For a list of some other common F2P sales tactics see the link below. Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks
Yes, that's the "On Sale!" Anchor. You mark up an item, say a pair of pants to $40 and "sash" it down to $25 on see and people perceive it as a great deal, even better emotionally than the other store that has it a normal price of $24. You anchor people's perception at the high end so the price you give them appears a bargain.
ThatGÇÖs why KohlGÇÖs is always having a sale, and JCPenneyGÇÖs one-price strategy failed. Everyone knows that the "sale" is perpetual, but it works anyway. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
300
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:58:00 -
[130] - Quote
As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard 30-day active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily? |
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1773
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:07:00 -
[131] - Quote
Regis Blackbird wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living. $32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery Then like I said, don't buy them. it's really easy. Just. Don't. By them. Sorry to disappoint but I want to see this game succeed. The CPM has already said they have requested an audience with CCP over this price. It's too high, it's that simple. I don't think the CPM's concern is over the price, but the current form of the boosters. What I feel many people forget is that Yes, lower price point would mean more money for ccp, but then more people would advance too fast potentially screwing the game up
oh no more people would advance? the horror
Why does it matter? It should be cheaper so more people buy it, that gives CCP more money and people catch up without getting scamed |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1107
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:10:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily?
Well **** teach. Couldn't have said it better. At 14mil Sp. I don't need boosters either. But I would have spent $20 not play this game. (passive omega)
You have a game that is below average NOW. with a meta critic rating of just 60. And a small player base that could fit into KZ pocket. At what point ccp is this game NOW worth the price for boosters?
I've talked with devs of garbage games. (one of them having worked on that area 51 game. tho he got a break after getting hired to work for rockstar) and they would be the first to say that (maybe not with open doors) "****, I know this game is bad." lol |
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Surt gods end wrote:SirManBoy wrote:As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily? Well **** teach. Couldn't have said it better. At 14mil Sp. I don't need boosters either. But I would have spent $20 not play this game. (passive omega) You have a game that is below average NOW. with a meta critic rating of just 60. And a small player base that could fit into KZ pocket. At what point ccp is this game NOW worth the price for boosters? I've talked with devs of garbage games. (one of them having worked on that area 51 game. tho he got a break after getting hired to work for rockstar) and they would be the first to say that (maybe not with open doors) "****, I know this game is bad." lol
I love this game, but I find decisions like the recent pricing of boosters frustrating and at odds with fostering goodwill within the Dust community. |
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:41:00 -
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I find the standard boosters close to being more expensive than they are worth to me, never mind the Omegas.
I've got 22m SP fairly well allocated so even as a dual Logi/Assault player there isn't much more that I really need. Three more months with the standard boosters I have will take care of that. Then I'll have to revisit the value question to see if I want to continue boosting.
The pace of content release is slow enough that I won't need to quickly accumulate a massive amount of SP. I thought that I might need it to re-skill dropships, but that's looking like Spring of next year now. |
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