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Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:38:00 -
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$40 at Mc'd's or $40 in never never land.....hmmmmmm........... IM LOVIN IT!
Boosters are worthless to vets anyway. I got 3 mill and NOTHING to spend it on.
Dude, before you leave, go into a drunken rage, buy 100 dropships and just crash into people. It is SO MUCH fun! |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2203
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:15:00 -
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CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal. |
Ku Shala
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
558
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:46:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Ku Shala wrote:so for 3 times the price you get 2x the booster ... sold ! You pay 2x and like 9k extra (Which is reasonable to me seeing that you get 2x more SP 2x quicker) well since I buy it in a bundle for 46000 AUR I would consider a 30 day passive only 23k and I said sold |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1945
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:02:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:[ The problem here is, it is not a subscription fee.
CCP views them as a 'subscription item' which is a common thing in f2p games, is to introduce an option to buy X at 15$/month and recieve bacon in return.
Quote: Boosters are completely optional. You do not need them to "stay competitive"
I stay competitive without a hitch, and I have only bought two boosters since I started the game in March.
Just because some people's perception of what they need to stay competitive leads them to buy boosters, doesn't mean one must buy boosters to stay competitive.
Indeed. Hence the quotes in my OP. For the most part, a good player can excel with any amount of SP over a less skilled player with more SP. However, perception is one of the most powerful tools marketing has, and CCP is doing nothing short of taking advantage of pvp mentality and gouging people.
Quote: Clearly, the majority of the community are not up in arms over the price of boosters, so why do the CPM feel obligated to white knight for the whiners? This smells of personal agenda on the part of the CPM.
The majority of the player base, in my opinion, seems more concerned with the lack of basic content. We all want things that should have been here in May such as All racial dropsuits and vehicles. We also want additional content that could have been added by now, but hasn't such as different types of equipment, cloaking modules, for example, or different game modes, more maps, team deployment in FW. The list goes on and on. The price of boosters is not a concern for the majority of the player base, and shouldn't be for the CPM either.
EDIT: Furthermore, if you honestly believed most players' lifetime SP was such a huge factor, you should be advocating more SP gains in general, or the removal of the soft cap. Not everyone uses boosters, but everyone surely wants to stay competitive. If having more SP equates to staying competitive, what about the free players? Are they not a part of the community as well? Do they not deserve a voice?
Stop using your position in the CPM as a platform to achieve your personal agendas.
This has nothing to do with "white knighting" and everything to do with putting our foot down and stopping CCP from making horribly unethical decisions related to microtransactions. Let's be clear here. CCP is a business, and they need to make money. However, the ethics of microtransactions are highly debatable, and something I'd prefer not to derail the thread with a debate on it.
Yes, there is an agenda here though. The agenda is simple ; CCP needs to be given the message that prices this offensive are NOT okay. CCP trying to make money IS okay. CCP thinking they have a 'premium product' that is worth charging twice monthly what even their own counterpart to dust (Eve Online) is NOT okay.
If CCP is not given this message, they're inevitably going to tread down the darker path of microtransactions, and see them go back on their promise of "No pay to win" in earnest. Then the 'free gamer' will have truly lost their voice. (Not to mention, their ability to compete)
As for the other bit about "Y U NO PUSH FOR X INSTEAD" Let me put your mind at rest. Asking "So, when are getting that revamped SP system you promised us? New game modes? etc." Is something we do at an almost daily daily basis. Not only this, but it takes all of a few minutes to write up a post saying "No, I don't like these prices." Posting disapproval for one thing is not mutually exclusive with pushing for actual tangible progress and things to do in dust. Just saying. |
fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I get that they cost more than twice as much as a normal booster, and that's honestly fine.
But you know what isn't fine? The cost of passive booster and active boosters to begin with. (I won't even get started on the bonuses they give)
The idea that someone's paying roughly 30$ a month for a dream that hasn't been realized. Twice the 'industry standard' for a subscription fee, for a game that's horribly incomplete and riddled with problems. It's straight up offensive. Then add in omega boosters that hike that up to $50+ a month? Talk about a kick in the balls.
But you know what's even more sad than the perception within CCP that this is fine to do?
The fact that people are still going to buy the **** out of it, because they want to 'stay competitive' and because it gives a definite advantage to the people who have it. It's the very nature of a pvp gamer's mentality. Gravitate towards the best items, take any advantage you can get... even if you have to pay for it.
I don't care how CCP justifies this. Boosters have always been Pay to Win. Even if their own definition of pay2win doesn't see it that way... Their customers do. Now this, on the other hand, is a post I can actually respect as it removes all sense of automatic entitlement and actually attempts to assess the worth of the product versus the competition on the market. If you were to ask me, I would say that you are perhaps looking at things the wrong way. Ideally the standard, "boosted" service should meet roughly at where a subscription for a regular game would lie -- $15.00 US for example. If you pay the value raw and simply buy month-long boosters, it averages closer to 17$ for passive and active boosters (assuming you are being smart and buying veteran packs instead of raw aurum). It gets obviously gets crazier when you start going into Omega' the problem with that is that we dont have to pay so alot of us dont.... majority of dust players are out of the loop so they dont know and alot of them proly dont pay. its easy to judge what your budgets at when that is a guarenteed 15$ a month rather then the number of people buying stuff constantly fluxuating. they price it like that to compete with the subscriptuon game. cuz remember you dont have to pay. sooooo.... you kinda sound like you wana have your cake and eat it too.... i agree though that omegas are pay to play priciple...... but i still agree they should be on the market even though sadly i will be buying the basics mot the omegas.
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fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:52:00 -
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WHAT EVER!!! I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE WHAT THIS GAME BECOMES AND THE MORE MONEY YOU SHELL OUT THE BETTER AND FASTER IT WILLL |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1366
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:56:00 -
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Throw your money at ccp you savage dogs! |
SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
114
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:08:00 -
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Skihids wrote:CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal.
This. Also, another very common F2P tactic is a variant of this. You release something at a higher cost on purpose and later you put the item on "sale". That way the consumer feels they are getting a bargain and will rush to purchase before the "sale" is over.
For a list of some other common F2P sales tactics see the link below.
Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2206
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:39:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP could be engaging in a bit of "price anchoring" here.
That's where you introduce a clearly higher priced item in an attempt to get more people to purchase the next highest priced item reasoning that "it's nice and not overpriced like that other one". A restaurant may introduce a very high priced wine in order to encourage patrons to shift up from the cheap bottle to the formerly most expensive bottle because it is now the "middle value".
So the Omega Booster is there to make the standard boosters look like a better deal and therefore CCP sells more standard boosters.
Given the three choices of no booster, standard booster, and Omega booster the standard one looks like a good deal. This. Also, another very common F2P tactic is a variant of this. You release something at a higher cost on purpose and later you put the item on "sale". That way the consumer feels they are getting a bargain and will rush to purchase before the "sale" is over. For a list of some other common F2P sales tactics see the link below. Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks
Yes, that's the "On Sale!" Anchor. You mark up an item, say a pair of pants to $40 and "sash" it down to $25 on see and people perceive it as a great deal, even better emotionally than the other store that has it a normal price of $24. You anchor people's perception at the high end so the price you give them appears a bargain.
ThatGÇÖs why KohlGÇÖs is always having a sale, and JCPenneyGÇÖs one-price strategy failed. Everyone knows that the "sale" is perpetual, but it works anyway. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
300
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:58:00 -
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As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard 30-day active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily? |
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1773
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:07:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:All of this supply demand is all just speculation people.
Do any of you have charts outlining the sales of Omega Boosters? No? Didn't think so!
As someone stated earlier in the thread, the Omega SP gain is equal to multiple normal boosters for less cost. So tell me as a consumer, would you rather buy 2 boosters for $20 each which gave you 100k SP each or 1 booster for 30 dollars which gave you 300k SP? Which is the better deal?
Furthermore, do you have sales charts on the normal boosters so you have an idea of what the booster market in general looks like?
What about charts comparing the sales of Normal boosters vs the Sales of Omega boosters at the time of the last Omega booster Sale?
Do you have charts outlining the increase or decline in overall booster sales from the end of the last Omega Booster sale?
No?
HTFU! Stop your whining! If you can't afford the damn things, or don't agree on the price then don't buy them! Do you go to the department store and haggle the cashier because you don't feel like you should have to pay $60 for that brand new game? No? Why are you crying about boosters in a free to play game? For christ's sake grow up! I can afford them. I'm a grown up and earn a decent living. $32 for what 720,000 SP gives you is highway robbery Then like I said, don't buy them. it's really easy. Just. Don't. By them. Sorry to disappoint but I want to see this game succeed. The CPM has already said they have requested an audience with CCP over this price. It's too high, it's that simple. I don't think the CPM's concern is over the price, but the current form of the boosters. What I feel many people forget is that Yes, lower price point would mean more money for ccp, but then more people would advance too fast potentially screwing the game up
oh no more people would advance? the horror
Why does it matter? It should be cheaper so more people buy it, that gives CCP more money and people catch up without getting scamed |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1107
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:10:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily?
Well **** teach. Couldn't have said it better. At 14mil Sp. I don't need boosters either. But I would have spent $20 not play this game. (passive omega)
You have a game that is below average NOW. with a meta critic rating of just 60. And a small player base that could fit into KZ pocket. At what point ccp is this game NOW worth the price for boosters?
I've talked with devs of garbage games. (one of them having worked on that area 51 game. tho he got a break after getting hired to work for rockstar) and they would be the first to say that (maybe not with open doors) "****, I know this game is bad." lol |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
301
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:41:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:SirManBoy wrote:As a high school teacher of macroeconomics, I find this situation especially amusing due to its correlation to one of the most basic tenets of the subject: demand.
First, the law of demand expresses the negative relationship that exists between price and the quantity of a good demanded. That is, as the price of a good decreases its quantity demanded increases, and as the price of a good increases its quantity demanded decreases. For me, had the Omega booster returned to the market at its most recent price of 36K AUR, I would have purchased at least six, but at its current price of 65K AUR, I will be purchasing none. Furthermore, my decision not to buy the Omega booster is also affected by my ever-decreasing overall demand at all price levels, which is most notably influenced by the diminishing returns I experience from skill points in general. As a 23+ million SP vet, I no longer experience the same gains from SP that I did as a 3 million SP or even 10 million SP player. Moreover, I'm sitting on over 120 days of standard passive SP boosters and I have an unused inventory of four standard active boosters with more than a week remaining on the one that I currently have activated. With so much potential SP wrapped up in the boosters I already have, nothing short of an attractive price is going to motivate me to make a purchase.
Clearly, I don't need Omega boosters right now. However, had the price been right for my current levels of overall demand, I would have purchased several without hesitation. Unfortunately, the price simply isn't right for my situation, but I honestly can't envision a point in my Dust career when such a price would have ever appealed to me. Simply put, it's just too damn expensive at all levels of demand. On what analysis did you base your pricing strategy, CCP? Or did you arrive at this figure arbitrarily? Well **** teach. Couldn't have said it better. At 14mil Sp. I don't need boosters either. But I would have spent $20 not play this game. (passive omega) You have a game that is below average NOW. with a meta critic rating of just 60. And a small player base that could fit into KZ pocket. At what point ccp is this game NOW worth the price for boosters? I've talked with devs of garbage games. (one of them having worked on that area 51 game. tho he got a break after getting hired to work for rockstar) and they would be the first to say that (maybe not with open doors) "****, I know this game is bad." lol
I love this game, but I find decisions like the recent pricing of boosters frustrating and at odds with fostering goodwill within the Dust community. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2211
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:41:00 -
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I find the standard boosters close to being more expensive than they are worth to me, never mind the Omegas.
I've got 22m SP fairly well allocated so even as a dual Logi/Assault player there isn't much more that I really need. Three more months with the standard boosters I have will take care of that. Then I'll have to revisit the value question to see if I want to continue boosting.
The pace of content release is slow enough that I won't need to quickly accumulate a massive amount of SP. I thought that I might need it to re-skill dropships, but that's looking like Spring of next year now. |
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