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Banning Hammer wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Right Im gonna sort this out right now!
Controller is not more important than kb/m
kb/m is not more important than controller

Your input method does not, should not and will not determine the metagame!
Metagame is determined by the player!

Your input is nothing more than a preference, this not a hardcore skill based game! This is not the unreal tournement!
There is NO Aimbot, it is an aim assistt, it is designed to stop chop strafing and bunny hopping!

The kb/m works via a controller emulator, the input of the kb/m is converted into controller input before being parsed to the system.

There are many positive reasons why this is done!
By doimg this the main thing is to eliminate hardware improvememts, period!

This is a game where tactics and intelligence rule, if you do not wish to play this way kindly leave and don't let the dorr hit you on the way out!

Bull **** .... if what you saying is true, why CCP is constantly nerfing the mouse ? Why the hell they haven't given mouse users Raw Input yet ? even if the DS3 users have an OP aimbot right now ?

Everything CCP have been doing since Uprising, is ******* mouse users none stop.

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Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 168	Posted - 2013.09.28 12:17:00 - [31] - Quote M McManus wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. Spaceman-rob, we all ready determined you're horrible with the DS3 and never used the kb/m so quit contributing to something you know nothing about. . Use the KB/M first to see how terrible it is before you post about how OP it is.. Yet again like others have said before me just another horrible player getting raped by a controller and blaming m/kb.. if its so amazing maybe you can use it to get above a 2kdr.. lololol I just had a quick check of your kd also, 1.06 would you like to get off your high horse now.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 77	Posted - 2013.09.28 12:20:00 - [32] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. STOP. have you ever used a scrambler or laser with a controller vs. mouse? i don't use a mouse, but when i use the controller, IT AIMS FOR ME. can't say the same for kb/m. respect to those guys good with kb/m, because despite what people say, it's not as easy as it looks
Cosgar ParagonX 5534	Posted - 2013.09.28 12:30:00 - [33] - Quote There isn't a raw input option for M/KB.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 786	Posted - 2013.09.28 12:36:00 - [34] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Right Im gonna sort this out right now! Controller is not more important than kb/m kb/m is not more important than controller Your input method does not, should not and will not determine the metagame! Metagame is determined by the player! Your input is nothing more than a preference, this not a hardcore skill based game! This is not the unreal tournement! There is NO Aimbot, it is an aim assistt, it is designed to stop chop strafing and bunny hopping! The kb/m works via a controller emulator, the input of the kb/m is converted into controller input before being parsed to the system. There are many positive reasons why this is done! By doimg this the main thing is to eliminate hardware improvememts, period! This is a game where tactics and intelligence rule, if you do not wish to play this way kindly leave and don't let the dorr hit you on the way out! Bull ** .... if what you saying is true, why CCP is constantly nerfing the mouse ? Why the hell they haven't given mouse users Raw Input yet ? even if the DS3 users have an OP aimbot right now ? Everything CCP have been doing since Uprising, is *** mouse users none stop. No you are bull**ing, they put the emulation on at the beginning of uprising, since then they removed your personal turning caps, so you spin the same speed as the controllers, like I said giving raw input will undermine the whole point of the emulator! You cannot deny that kb/m physically speaking is better than a controller, higher end models are more prescise with less latency, and fine aiming control! These give considerable advantages over a controller. And then you have chop strafing, without emulation kb/m users would be wiggling there behinds and magically dodgeing bullets, like we had in 1.3, emulation means you cannot surpass a controller, and to a lot of pro kb/m users that means they aren't gonna like it! Why? Because you are playing by the controllers rules! The stuff you are asking for will give you advantages over the controller, and you know it! CCP don't want your input device to determine who wins! But tell you what ill give you a fair chance to defend yourself, tell me, apart from the lack of raw input, or "Aimbot", what makes themouse sooo useless! List them!
p q THE OWL SOCIETY DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2013.09.28 12:56:00 - [35] - Quote OK. I'll say it again with slightly different words. "We should use the ps3 dualshock when playing public matches to encourage the player base of Dust 514. We should do this to grow a game we enjoy." To those who say a mouse isn't more accurate/better than a ps3 thumbstick... are you serious?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1483	Posted - 2013.09.28 13:07:00 - [36] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: The day before Uprising was release was nearly 10,000 people online, maybe more, i can't remember exactly how many. The day after Uprising, the player base dropped to 4,000 and slowly have been going down to the current 3,000. The most significant change in Uprising was the HORRIBLE mouse settings. LOL. Well, nice to put mouse users as the saviors of the game... if only the mouse ruled then there would be so many players all of a sudden. Please, there have been a crapload of issues for everyone -- I think you are making up numbers to justify what you want instead of what the game needs for long term survival.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1502	Posted - 2013.09.28 13:08:00 - [37] - Quote p q wrote: OK. I'll say it again with slightly different words. "We should use the ps3 dualshock when playing public matches to encourage the player base of Dust 514. We should do this to grow a game we enjoy." To those who say a mouse isn't more accurate/better than a ps3 thumbstick... are you serious? If given the choice, most people will rather use the mouse. Is that really that hard to understand ? People only uses the DS3, because they don't have any other options in most PS3 games.
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2013.09.28 13:40:00 - [38] - Quote No its not hard because its the superior control method, but putting mouse control in a console fps was a naive move by CCP.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1503	Posted - 2013.09.28 13:53:00 - [39] - Quote Ynned Ivanova wrote: No its not hard because its the superior control method, but putting mouse control in a console fps was a naive move by CCP. The PS3 SUPPORTS KB/M ... Sony added KB/M support to their console with the intention of been use. HINT ; The XBOX 360 doesn't supports KB/M. CCP is just using what is AVAILABLE to them.... If you want to complaint to anyone, you should be directing your complains to Sony, is their foul that you can use a mouse in Dust 514.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1483	Posted - 2013.09.28 13:57:00 - [40] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: CCP is just using what is AVAILABLE to them.... If you want to complaint to anyone, you should be directing your complains to Sony, is their foul that you can use a mouse in Dust 514. How many things are you going to hide behind?

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1503	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:02:00 - [41] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: CCP is just using what is AVAILABLE to them.... If you want to complaint to anyone, you should be directing your complains to Sony, is their foul that you can use a mouse in Dust 514. How many things are you going to hide behind? hiding behind the facts, is not hiding. The PS3 supports KB/M, none of all the other consoles does. CCP provably choose the PS3 SPECIFICALLY for that reason, because 95% of their fan base are PC users.
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:03:00 - [42] - Quote Not disputing that , but theres a reason other games dont mix the control methods, Shadowrun tried and that just proved my point.
Oscar Neymar Carbon 7 CRONOS. 62	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:05:00 - [43] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: There's many problems with Dust 514, but it's not the mouse and keyboard users. Just saying. It's a good way towards everyone not using the same medium to do the given task
p q THE OWL SOCIETY DARKSTAR ARMY 18	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:08:00 - [44] - Quote Alright. Beating my head against a wall here... We have established that the mouse is the better aiming device. There is no doubt. THE POINT IS: The ps3 user that downloads Dust 514 is a console player w/o a mouse, and we, the "advanced" Dust 514 community, should only use our mice in planetary conquest. In public matches, we should nuture "ps3 free downloaders" instead of killing them with five AR, mouse-guided bullets. Do what you wanna do. I just want Dust to thrive. Before you make a "matchmaking" comment concerning this topic, consult your mostly logical brain. Thrice.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1503	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:15:00 - [45] - Quote p q wrote: Alright. Beating my head against a wall here... We have established that the mouse is the better aiming device. There is no doubt. THE POINT IS: The ps3 user that downloads Dust 514 is a console player w/o a mouse, and we, the "advanced" Dust 514 community, should only use our mice in planetary conquest. In public matches, we should nuture "ps3 free downloaders" instead of killing them with five AR, mouse-guided bullets. Do what you wanna do. I just want Dust to thrive. Before you make a "matchmaking" comment concerning this topic, consult your mostly logical brain. Thrice. Fail logic ... I can kill them with five AR, aimbot-guided bullets, with the DS3.... After all i have maxed nearly all my AR skills. Provably easier with the DS3, considering that the aimbot negates bullet spread and recoil. I been trying to be nice by using the mouse .... but now... I just going to abuse the aimbot like everyone else...morons ..
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 371	Posted - 2013.09.28 14:16:00 - [46] - Quote I'm slipping in to say that the 360 doesn't support keyboard and mouse because there was once a project that bridged PC players against Xbox players and the Xbox players got roflstomped so hard. Xbox players are terrible. All hail the master system, Tamagotchi!
GSP GoTSoMePoT WOLF AND IRON STRIKE FORCE 58	Posted - 2013.09.28 15:24:00 - [47] - Quote Man o man here we go again. They both suck mouse & ds3 controller on this game. To much fighting about which one sucks more then the other and not enough talk about how to fix them. I don't care what you use to play this game . Just play it or not. Give feedback if you feel something is wrong. But this right here is just dumb and not getting any thing done for the good of the game.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 638	Posted - 2013.09.28 15:36:00 - [48] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. Oh one of the Easy Mode response people, there is nothing easy about KBM on Dust....it still feels like playing with my hands tied behind my back and my nuts anchored to the floor. Its just that most of us have been playing long before you guys could hold a controller properly and beat you with skill and experience....that witch takes years to get ....witch you guys will never get because you whine and QQ instead of practice and more practice, thats why scrubs will always be scrubs.
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 169	Posted - 2013.09.28 15:47:00 - [49] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. Oh one of the Easy Mode response people, there is nothing easy about KBM on Dust....it still feels like playing with my hands tied behind my back and my nuts anchored to the floor. Its just that most of us have been playing long before you guys could hold a controller properly and beat you with skill and experience....that witch takes years to get ....witch you guys will never get because you whine and QQ instead of practice and more practice, thats why scrubs will always be scrubs. Easy mode on dust is easier than using dualshock, Fact! Now gtfo.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 556	Posted - 2013.09.28 15:55:00 - [50] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. Oh one of the Easy Mode response people, there is nothing easy about KBM on Dust....it still feels like playing with my hands tied behind my back and my nuts anchored to the floor. Its just that most of us have been playing long before you guys could hold a controller properly and beat you with skill and experience....that witch takes years to get ....witch you guys will never get because you whine and QQ instead of practice and more practice, thats why scrubs will always be scrubs. Easy mode on dust is easier than using dual shock, Fact! Now gtfo. Like someone already pointed out in this thread you have a 1 kdr ROFL kid gtfo you can't comment on any input carrying a 1kdr you and the OP are the scrubs Rei Shepard is referring to... You guys can't get it through your head that its not ALL KB/M players demolishing kids like you.. You are getting torn apart by better geared/skilled DS3 and KB/M players alike but yet you feel the need to bash one input because you are horrible with both.. Come the **** on really.. And like many have said before Rei the kb/m in its current form, as in what the Dust developers have done to it, is not in anyway superior.. On the other hand the 1.4 aim assist with the DS3 is amazing this is coming from a guy that never plays shooters with a controller and at the release of 1.4 I went 33/3 with it LOL So you sitting around bitching the the KB/M is OP with a 1kdr is comical bud, you sir need to GTFO and become educated on what you're trying to sit here and argue about...

Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 22	Posted - 2013.09.28 16:03:00 - [51] - Quote So, I have tried both. I think that if I started with kb/m I would have been fine, but I got used to the controls on the dpad first. The mouse does help with the fine points of aiming, but swapping around between the pad and kb for vehicles wasn't helpful. What actually killed it for me (and this is confusing to me) was that I can't set any controls. Especially on the keyboard, where I really wanted to--being stuck with arbitrary "this is what people use" settings doesn't really work for me. Ultimately, people are going to use what they are most comfortable with. I doubt there is any great "I'm going to win" difference between the two, especially having tried them both. Heck, maybe I should go and use the kb again; I'd LOVE an autowin setup (for a while, at least).
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 416	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:08:00 - [52] - Quote p q wrote: OK. I'll say it again with slightly different words. "We should use the ps3 dualshock when playing public matches to encourage the player base of Dust 514. We should do this to grow a game we enjoy." To those who say a mouse isn't more accurate/better than a ps3 thumbstick... are you serious? Why? This isn't Mario Kart. You arguement makes no sense. That is not what is scaring new players. If they're bad with a controller they see they have the mouse option too.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 506	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:10:00 - [53] - Quote what a random qq post.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 297	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:18:00 - [54] - Quote -______- really? the auto aim and aim assist make the controller my preference any day, which makes AR (scrambler, SMG, HMG etc.) complete easy mode if it wasn't already... People who use the controller kill the game when I get shot around the corner...
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:27:00 - [55] - Quote Op just give up mate, I have, we're out numbered on these forums by all these try hards, the ones making a case for easy mode/mouse and keyboard are the same ones proto stomping in pub matches. They won't be happy until nobody is left playing the game anymore.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1688	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:40:00 - [56] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Well... mouse users USED to be the core of the game, then CCP decided to **** around with the mouse settings, slowly exterminated all mouse users... and well... the player base numbers you see now is a direct consequence from that. Console gamer's are most likely playing BF3, or COD, or GTA 5 soon, or The last of us, or Diablo 3, or.....you get the idea.... So then you are saying mouse users all love the game and would be here if only the mouse worked better? Give me a break. This core of the game crap comes from segments, such as vets, who don't give a crap about the game but only how they can "rule" in it since they've been here a long time -- no matter what that does to game play experience for new users. Spare me the bullsh*t. The day before Uprising was release was nearly 10,000 people online, maybe more, i can't remember exactly how many. The day after Uprising, the player base dropped to 4,000 and slowly have been going down to the current 3,000. The most significant change in Uprising was the HORRIBLE mouse settings. List of things more significant of a change then that in uprising 1.0 1. Racial suits 2. Horrible lag and hit detection 3. Unplayable Planetary Conquest 4. 3 new weapons 5. CCP pretty much ruined the decent balance that was in chromosome and I can name more if you would like. Also I doubt that the mouse userbase has ever been a majority. I've met about 10 kbm guys since I started playing this game a year ago.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1688	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:43:00 - [57] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: -______- really? the auto aim and aim assist make the controller my preference any day, which makes AR (scrambler, SMG, HMG etc.) complete easy mode if it wasn't already... People who use the controller kill the game when I get shot around the corner... What do controllers have to do with you being shot around corners?
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 78	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:48:00 - [58] - Quote Mouse input sucks. DS3 input sucks. It's even.
Beld Errmon Evocatius 895	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:00:00 - [59] - Quote What a shrill pointless argument, and this is about the 50th time i've seen it take place.... before dust had keyboard and mouse support I was consistently top killer in any game, getting a mouse and keyboard didn't change that, till they decided to F**k with it. Get ready to cry like this in a lot more games, cause the ps4 is just a PC in a little box so dumb ppl can use it, and KB/M support will be seen a lot more, and this game will end up dumping the console crowd cause the data shows console player interest is lacking, mean while 100 times more players are paying money to grind XP and drive ww2 tanks around the same 10 maps, gravy train is on the PC and they know it now.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 639	Posted - 2013.09.29 09:59:00 - [60] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, mouse and keyboard is easy mode, especially when using scrambler, laser, tac, shotty, forge or sniper rifle. Oh one of the Easy Mode response people, there is nothing easy about KBM on Dust....it still feels like playing with my hands tied behind my back and my nuts anchored to the floor. Its just that most of us have been playing long before you guys could hold a controller properly and beat you with skill and experience....that witch takes years to get ....witch you guys will never get because you whine and QQ instead of practice and more practice, thats why scrubs will always be scrubs. Easy mode on dust is easier than using dualshock, Fact! Now gtfo. No, your issue is situated between the couch and the input device, i know who the good DS3 users are and they give me a fair run for my money, i am even disadvantaged because i cant use my grenades properly since open beta. Try walking right and keeping your grenade primed pressing D and X at the same time ....with 1 finger.... The Framerate issues we had and still have sometimes have led me to play in 576p mode to actually get in some proper response times in cqc where my playstyle is at, the hitbox issues didnt help. (until 1.4, i can now play in 1080p like evryone else) If you ever pick up a PC shooter and meet me online (any shooter), you would be PM'ing me about how awesome my Aimbot is and i as a cheater should stop playing, no kidding on APB Reloaded i get about 4-6 guys like you pm'ing me per hour, most guys seem to think they are the Godsend of FPS players and your ego needs and explanation as why your being beat and shot at every corner, 10 minutes in to make you feel better, your opponent must be cheating, so you can feel better about the losses. A few days in, your throwing money at a hacking site for an aimbot that is hard to detect and you start beating the sht out of everyone, including me, lets face it, i am pretty good(though this was 15 years ago, i am way past my reaction speed prime age of 21), am i the best, no way, can i beat hacks & cheats, fck no....will i ever need hacks to make a FPS feel better for myself, hell no. On PC, its my hacks, on here its my KBM setup.....yeah ....no kidding...



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