The MILLITIA AR is way OP, but i think ALL millitia weapons are.
The EXILE AR is a bit to powerfull to.

The gek-38 AR works ok, but the EXILE and MILLITIA are better.

The tactical AR's got nerfed so bad, and there was only a prob with the ROF, but the nerf squad did not stop there, now its almost useless to, i never use it anymore.

The breach AR's OMG they suck, i -never use them anymore, they are utterly USELESS.

The burst AR's are even worse, i never use them anymore, they also have become utterly USELESS.

The only AR that Works as it is supose to is the DUVOLLE AR.

Most of the AR's sucks and are utterly USELESS.

STOP nerfing the AR's, and fix the broken ones insted.

I can se from the things many of you whrite that you DONT use AR's or only tried the millitia AR, becourse its pure lies and false statements they come up with.

I am lvl 5 light weapon, lvl 5 AR, lvl 5 pro, on my main here, im also lvl 5 sniper, lvl 5 swarms, and lvl 5 SMG i do know what im talking about.
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My alt GHOST 2630 is lvl 5 laser and SCR and all i can say is AR's are NOT OP. Millitia weapons and BPO weapons are OP...

That was a long, vivid account. In which you said absolutely nothing that relates to the point of this thread. Incidentally, you may or may not find this to be an interesting read.

Please read the post from the start to the end and you will find the Words NERF and AR many many times, a few times it is called ballance for some reason, but really they talk about nerfing...

I dont know if you are stupid or just dumb, or if you just try to be funny. IDIOT

Anywho Syn, got the burst stats coming up soon?

No worries. Also, the breach variant really needs a new name, we should work on that. How about....the 'Siege' variant?

Alrighty. So what were your specific issues with it?

I think the TAR is much better as it is and it doesn't feel unbalanced at all. I don't think it needs more damage output and sure I don't think it needs a ROF reduction and this extends to all the other proposed stats. There is not a real reason why these basic mechanics should be changed...

About the range, which is a slightly different point, it should not be reduced. Instead, the scrambler's optimal range should be increased by 10 meters (more or less).

The thing is they donGÇÖt need to nerf, they just need to get the prices right.. for example if you get to 250% the price the GEK has now, do any of you think the weapon would be so indiscriminately used as right now?
The answer is no, and AR users would need to start thinking more about fitting and start using more the other AR variants, just because the weapon itGÇÖs so good overall it should reflect in its cost, the same goes for any other weapon in its assault form and in all tiers; kind of how it is in the AScR vs ScR pricing situation.

That aside I think that by numbers and some other features the assault variants (in almost any weapon it has it) are really well balanced with each other, but not with all the other versions available in the market.

If we are gonna be handed crappy or niche weapons they should cost less, and OHK and assault and really good weapons should cost a lot more

The AR in Dust is supposed to be a blaster rifle. This means it should have high DPS, but be very short range.

It shouldn't be a generalist weapon in the first place - That was CCP's second mistake with it.
Their first was naming it the assault rifle rather than the blaster/plasma rifle that it is.

Even the generalist version of this weapon might be ok if CCP didn't also go ahead and make it OP. Yes it is. It has too long a range, to much ammo, too high of DPS, and is too accurate.

Nerf a couple of these stats and the AR might be ok. Until then, Dust is dead.

Hail king AR. Hail AR 514.

The idea behind balancing is to give all weapons a relatively even amount of usability and functionality. It is not meant to make all weapons the same. At range a sniper rifle or SCR are by far superior to an AR (other than a TAC which is on par with the SCR). My point is that if you want to balance something, looking at the role it plays is key. You don't use an AR to mow down a whole squad of mercs as they are approaching an objective you use an HMG. If you must use an AR try to pull mercs out of the group. The same is true of the SCR and neither one does it better, they are very close in damage and have Mid range as their engagement range.

I don't feel that the AR is unbalanced one bit. Currently 5-10 shots from any weapon that any merc uses against me seem to take me down from around 500 hp to 0 hp, it doesn't matter which one it is. I know that there are probably other factors such as combined dps from multiple guns or splash from MDs and grenades but I don't think it is reasonable to say that an AR needs to be balanced at this time. If that were the case we would all be asking for more damage and larger clips (which I honestly would not say no to).

If you want more balance within the weapon classes you may just be waiting for the Combat and Rail rifles. I don't know what to expect out of the new weapons but I believe that it will be longer range than the AR and SCR while doing more damage and be a tactical type of gun. There is really no need to worry about AR balance until these are brought to the table, and I am sure we will revisit this topic once they are here, but I don't really see the point in balancing a weaker (than SCR, HMG, MD) weapon unless it is to ask for a Buff.

Edit: I just looked back at another thread and realized ARs are the only weapon with a Sharpshooter skill, used to reduce dispersion. The HMG and SCR as well as the SMG should all have this skill as they are Automatic Weapons, this is the answer, dispersion reduction by skill level.

I would like to mention that I will terminate this character. Mainly because of the poor choices I made when using skill points. Sadly I see no respec in the horizon, so this is the only way I must go about doing things. Not only that but I like to start fresh and new, this character feels junky. This main fully specced into ARs, and I feel that it's not challenging enough. It's to 'easy-mode' actually. And I want more of a challenge.

My main will now be Archbot.

You can't just start speccing into what you want now?