There are ways to punish bad players in attendance, and thereby effectively blocking them.

As I said, charge them for failed missions.

A scrub is not going to pay half a million isk in collateral and then continually bring his team down.


Here's an even better idea, for every failed mission in a row the collateral increases.

Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.

you cant ban a bad player...

but a team deployment option for FW would fix your problem

Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

thats nothing... i just went 0/49, 0wp in FW

I actually believe you.

Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it.

where there is a will there is a way. that is why.
still allows for them to do it but with teamwork.

We need more players .

But aren't you forgetting the role play of FW?

Maybe the player deliberately went that bad to try & make your faction lose the battle?

We need some more RP motives & storylines like we had in closed beta.
FW should be an open for all be it single player or a fully stacked team, race based warfare not just an extension of Team Death Match & a replacement for the corp battles of yore.

Make FW count & different to the other standard FPS modes.

Because making alts and then go and suicide in FW is so hard and so fun for the players wanting to actually have a proper FW match.

Do people really care that much about FW?

Harsh solution is harsh.

SoxFour is working on a standings system, I believe. Rather than have a heavy handed and exclusive solution like this, why not limit players like this to matches that don't affect districts via standings? Assuming that standings relate to how well you're doing for a faction.

Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.

Yeah sounds fine. Theres no need for any other criteria. Let Himiko decide who should be able to play.

reason right there that there should be requirements for FW and cost players for losing. as well as a limit on suicides per minute.

Do people really care that much about FW?

You don't think players should have to pay for losing?

So you think the game should be no risk, all reward. Right....

Then again what's a good player?
The one with high kdr ? ( maybee just a redline sniper )
I personly take the scrub over redline snipers, redline tankers, redline forge gunners, at last the scrub is trying and dieing.

Me personly if I c a guy like that I point him towards some god starter corp. God knows we need more players in the game.

Regards your friendly solo logibro......or unfriendly

You don't think players should have to pay for losing?

So you think the game should be no risk, all reward. Right....

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

The risk is there in the weapons, modules, equipment, dropsuits, and vehicles you bring to the battle. When you die, you lose ISK.

If a bad player dies 10 times in a match, in an all standard Suit, he probably lost ISK in the match.

if a bad player dies 20 times in a match, in an all standard suit, he probably gain ISK in the match.

How do you figure? My Standard suit costs around 25k. If I died 10 times and made 250k I broke even, but I'm not making 250k without making at least 1000 WP, especially if I'm on the losing team. I've won battles where I went 25/5, got 2nd on the board with 1800 WP and didn't even make 300k.

You die 20 times in a match using standard gear, that match just cost you around 500k, unless you are logi, you probably didn't get more than 500 WP with a score like that. Your payout would only be about 150k ISK.

How is that an ISK gain?

your standard suit cost a lot, mines only 5k. so thats only 120k and most AFK matches i atleast make that.

your fault not mine.

Very constructive!

How do you ban a bad player ? Base it on kdr ? Base it on WPs? Neither of those work. WPs are aquired through time, it would only stop those who havent been playing long no matter what their skill. KDR ? What about logi's who dont get kills oftan but still rack up WPs?

How about squads with 5 amazing players and one whos not? Stop the entire squad?

Ban bad players from FW!?

They're the only reason I play FW.

Maybe make it so fw is unlocked after 8mil sp, im pretty sure no faction would allow inadequate soldiers except maybe amarr as their blessed bull **** is all that matters

getting annoyed with caldari noobs so i went gallente and tried to sabotage them ,spent the match stealing teams tanks and dropships then crashing them , hijacked a dropship then flew 5 gallente scum into red line lololol...........caldari still lost "facepalm"!!!

The risk is there in the weapons, modules, equipment, dropsuits, and vehicles you bring to the battle. When you die, you lose ISK.

If a bad player dies 10 times in a match, in an all standard Suit, he probably lost ISK in the match.

The losing team does not receive as large of a payout on top of that.

If I get stuck on a ****** team, why should I pay because my team sucks? I would already be losing ISK trying to carry a whole team to Victory. It isn't easy fighting 1 vs 16, which is what it feels like sometimes.

I was in a match earlier, the enemy had an HAV. I died 5 times trying to take it out with my FG. I was the only guy on my whole team trying to get rid of this HAV.

Tanker went 23/0

I went 5/6. I spent 3/4 of the match trying to take out the tank. I had absolutely no help. Not even when infantry was trying to support the tank. (thats where I got my kills *rubs SMG*

My team did win, but might have gotten cloned by one HAV, had I not been there to keep him pushed back.

Hmm... maybe a player just having a bad day...

happens to me sometimes... but i don't get butthurt though... it's just a game... lol

Big Babies

nuff said

I had no idea FW was forealz that serious. What did I miss?? Do you get prizes or something, money? I don't get it.

Big Babies

nuff said

I had no idea FW was forealz that serious. What did I miss?? Do you get prizes or something, money? I don't get it.

effect EVE side ownership. and stuff so yea has an effect for EVE pilots.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation).

Just a thought - if FW is supposed to be the meaningful side of play how about making a minimum amount of required SP/WP before allowing entry, 10k WP or 2mil SP (or somewhere around that area).

This way instead of punishing players that are bad, they have played enough games to get FW that by the time they reach it, if they get a score that low their team must also be getting completely decimated.

This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.

If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system.

Yea, this. I keep seeing people whine about not being trapped in the faction they chose, whether it be with Gear or FW... WHY?

I know right?

What the op is suggesting is a unfun mechanic. Why don't you just ask CCP to shut down? Because if you start banning 'bad players', you'll be effectively killing the game. No one is gonna stick around if there is a skill check that will ban you if it feels you aren't up to par to what some elitist prick thinks is acceptable.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

That could work but heres a problem I could forsee, with the failed mission charge, what happens when say you are a good player yet your team still takes a loss? Do you get penilized? This would be complexe to figure out the rules and code it for something that doesnt need an imediate fix.

So lets make a scenario, some guy/gal likes to game, not too great but enjoy's themselves, tries ambush/skir/dom gets met by CCP's lack of ability to create a match making system and his 550k SP ass gets proto stomped left, right and center by the large amount of Dust players who will run nothing other than their sunday best.
He decides to try FW out to see if its any better for him, it isn't. So the appropriate procedure would be to ban him from a game mode for not being 1337 enough?

What you asking for is to punish lower SP players for not being high SP players. That's pathetic. And also considering FW has nothing in it other than standard rewards for a Dust514 player, and the link between Eve and Dust514 is so weak that I don't notice nor care about the outcome of FW. You'd think CCP would have added some Eve news/talk to the new "Updates" splash page.

I say no, If a player goes 0/17 in a match, sucks to be him already, without further punishments.

Only fixes needed for FW:
Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation).
Better prizes and Salvage(personally I'd like to see old event dropsuits and weapons dropped in FW salvage).
A more compelling and visual insight on what your actions in the wars are doing eve side.

I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.


Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.

At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.

Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.

If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system.

This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction.

Yea, this. I keep seeing people whine about not being trapped in the faction they chose, whether it be with Gear or FW... WHY?

Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it.

TELL ME ABOUT IT.
Most of the time running solo.
Amarr FW players during the day are utter crap (Most of them). Leaving me facing ALONE 7+ red dots all the time....

I've been in games i go, 20-10 (yeah got my a** kikd) and the rest of the blues go 2-15 , 3-10, 5-18 ...

I MEAN WHAT!? How can you be that bad....

IMO a good player...

Holds that door with you, trading reloads.
Logis and reps. Drops Uplinks and Hives in good places.
That guy who comes from 30m to needle you in your proto fit.
The guy who helps you hack the objective.
That dude who gets out of the dropship and attacks something.
Has good mic etiquette.
Isn't dependent on corp friends to help him kick ass. Lone wolfs like a beast.
Doesn't care about kd/r bc cares about sacrifices to win instead.
Doesn't bark orders at people. Helps with Situational Awareness.
Doesn't tk in PC. Doesn't make stupid posts that reflect badly on his corp.
Doesn't pick fights with other corps or antagonize people.
the list goes on and on, if you have to ask you aren't good.

IMO a good player...

Holds that door with you, trading reloads.
Logis and reps. Drops Uplinks and Hives in good places.
That guy who comes from 30m to needle you in your proto fit.
The guy who helps you hack the objective.
That dude who gets out of the dropship and attacks something.
Has good mic etiquette.
Isn't dependent on corp friends to help him kick ass. Lone wolfs like a beast.
Doesn't care about kd/r bc cares about sacrifices to win instead.
Doesn't bark orders at people. Helps with Situational Awareness.
Doesn't tk in PC. Doesn't make stupid posts that reflect badly on his corp.
Doesn't pick fights with other corps or antagonize people.
the list goes on and on, if you have to ask you aren't good.

I know right?

What the op is suggesting is a unfun mechanic. Why don't you just ask CCP to shut down? Because if you start banning 'bad players', you'll be effectively killing the game. No one is gonna stick around if there is a skill check that will ban you if it feels you aren't up to par to what some elitist prick thinks is acceptable.

I don't have fun playing with or against terrible players.

Also seeing bad players suffer is fun to me. Probably unfun for you, for obvious reasons.

once again if its a standings setup this is a none issue, you have to lose the standings you gained on your good nights. and frankly if you cant stay positive what are you doing in FW.

not to sound like an elitist prick but FW should be siphoning off the high end players not be the training grounds for the new guys, their needs to be better reward, faction rewards, FW needs high risk high reward.

I don't have fun playing with or against terrible players.

Also seeing bad players suffer is fun to me. Probably unfun for you, for obvious reasons.