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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:33:00 -
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I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
355
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:40:00 -
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How do you ban a bad player ? Base it on kdr ? Base it on WPs? Neither of those work. WPs are aquired through time, it would only stop those who havent been playing long no matter what their skill. KDR ? What about logi's who dont get kills oftan but still rack up WPs?
How about squads with 5 amazing players and one whos not? Stop the entire squad? |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
The Umbra Combine
976
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:43:00 -
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you cant ban a bad player...
but a team deployment option for FW would fix your problem |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1533
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:43:00 -
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There are ways to punish bad players in attendance, and thereby effectively blocking them.
As I said, charge them for failed missions.
A scrub is not going to pay half a million isk in collateral and then continually bring his team down.
Here's an even better idea, for every failed mission in a row the collateral increases. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:45:00 -
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Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
355
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There are ways to punish bad players in attendance, and thereby effectively blocking them.
As I said, charge them for failed missions.
A scrub is not going to pay half a million isk in collateral and then continually bring his team down.
Here's an even better idea, for every failed mission in a row the collateral increases.
That could work but heres a problem I could forsee, with the failed mission charge, what happens when say you are a good player yet your team still takes a loss? Do you get penilized? This would be complexe to figure out the rules and code it for something that doesnt need an imediate fix. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1533
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:46:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.
Probably, but it's not as satisfying as watching people lose money. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
355
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:46:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:you cant ban a bad player...
but a team deployment option for FW would fix your problem
Bendtner92 wrote:Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.
Both these could work better then simply banning someone from something. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:47:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
thats nothing... i just went 0/49, 0wp in FW |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1533
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:48:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. thats nothing... i just went 0/49, 0wp in FW
I actually believe you. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1659
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:51:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:dogmanpig wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. thats nothing... i just went 0/49, 0wp in FW I actually believe you.
reason right there that there should be requirements for FW and cost players for losing. as well as a limit on suicides per minute. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
355
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:53:00 -
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Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
187
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:54:00 -
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We need more players . |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
847
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:56:00 -
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Do people really care that much about FW? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1659
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:56:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it.
where there is a will there is a way. that is why.
still allows for them to do it but with teamwork. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
355
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:03:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it. where there is a will there is a way. that is why. still allows for them to do it but with teamwork.
So you're saying someone whos died lets say... 10 times in a row, without gaining a single WP should be allowed to stay on a team? They cant even drop a hive, spawnpad, res someone, rep someone, get an assist, or heck, use a instillation in the redline to kill someone. THEY get to stay? AFKers would be more welcome, at least they dont deplete the clone count. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:10:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:We need more players .
Of course we do. The entire game is a ghost town currently be it pub matches, lolFW or lolPC. |
Bucktooth Badger
Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop
106
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:13:00 -
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But aren't you forgetting the role play of FW?
Maybe the player deliberately went that bad to try & make your faction lose the battle?
We need some more RP motives & storylines like we had in closed beta.
FW should be an open for all be it single player or a fully stacked team, race based warfare not just an extension of Team Death Match & a replacement for the corp battles of yore.
Make FW count & different to the other standard FPS modes. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1090
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:18:00 -
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Bucktooth Badger wrote:But aren't you forgetting the role play of FW? Maybe the player deliberately went that bad to try & make your faction lose the battle? We need some more RP motives & storylines like we had in closed beta. FW should be an open for all be it single player or a fully stacked team, race based warfare not just an extension of Team Death Match & a replacement for the corp battles of yore. Make FW count & different to the other standard FPS modes.
Because making alts and then go and suicide in FW is so hard and so fun for the players wanting to actually have a proper FW match. |
Needle Addict
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:25:00 -
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SPIES! OUT FOR MY NEEDLES! THEY WILL NEVER GET MY BABIES! |
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
22
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:32:00 -
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Why don't don't we just disallow all new players?
That way we won't have to worry about any "scrubs" ruining games. |
Bucktooth Badger
Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop
106
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:43:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:
Because making alts and then go and suicide in FW is so hard and so fun for the players wanting to actually have a proper FW match.
But isn't that the risk of all online team games?
But with regards to Dust, if you start banning players for being bad or trying to sabotage, what's next?
Ban all vehicles, all projectile weapons because they're unfair to people who only want a knife fight?
I do get where you're coming from though, if someone lacks the skills then they shouldn't have graduated the academy. CCP should restore the graduation requirements, at least that would prepare new players.
But I disagree about trying to stop someone from sabotaging a match. That should be a valid method of play.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
3382
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:46:00 -
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Harsh solution is harsh.
SoxFour is working on a standings system, I believe. Rather than have a heavy handed and exclusive solution like this, why not limit players like this to matches that don't affect districts via standings? Assuming that standings relate to how well you're doing for a faction. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1534
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:58:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Do people really care that much about FW?
In its current state? No.
But we probably should, right?
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Harsh solution is harsh.
SoxFour is working on a standings system, I believe. Rather than have a heavy handed and exclusive solution like this, why not limit players like this to matches that don't affect districts via standings? Assuming that standings relate to how well you're doing for a faction.
Some games need heavy handed solutions.
Last time I checked New Eden was not supposed to be soft and cuddly. Dying in Dark Souls is like getting punched in the gut. Dying in EVE is like getting publicly castrated.
Losing in Dust should be somewhere in between.
Loss is healthy. |
Ynned Ivanova
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:07:00 -
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Yeah sounds fine. Theres no need for any other criteria. Let Himiko decide who should be able to play.
Muppet. |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
91
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:09:00 -
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Then again what's a good player?
The one with high kdr ? ( maybee just a redline sniper )
I personly take the scrub over redline snipers, redline tankers, redline forge gunners, at last the scrub is trying and dieing.
Me personly if I c a guy like that I point him towards some god starter corp. God knows we need more players in the game.
Regards your friendly solo logibro......or unfriendly  |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
854
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:09:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Only allowing full squads and teams while paying an entry cost would probably solve this.
Team Deployment yes.
Entry Cost?
We are Mercenaries Contracted by the Factions or Corporations. They pay us to fight for them, not the other way around. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1534
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:12:00 -
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Ynned Ivanova wrote: Yeah sounds fine. Theres no need for any other criteria. Let Himiko decide who should be able to play.
Sounds good to me.
By the way, you're banned. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
854
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:14:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:dogmanpig wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. thats nothing... i just went 0/49, 0wp in FW I actually believe you. reason right there that there should be requirements for FW and cost players for losing. as well as a limit on suicides per minute.
I don't think players should have to pay for losing. There should definitely be a limit on suicides, though. Maybe after 5 you get kicked from the battle?
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dogmanpig
black market bank
11
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:18:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Do people really care that much about FW?
yes |
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