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Sgt Buttscratch
SLAPHAPPY BANDITS
786
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:06:00 -
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So lets make a scenario, some guy/gal likes to game, not too great but enjoy's themselves, tries ambush/skir/dom gets met by CCP's lack of ability to create a match making system and his 550k SP ass gets proto stomped left, right and center by the large amount of Dust players who will run nothing other than their sunday best. He decides to try FW out to see if its any better for him, it isn't. So the appropriate procedure would be to ban him from a game mode for not being 1337 enough?
What you asking for is to punish lower SP players for not being high SP players. That's pathetic. And also considering FW has nothing in it other than standard rewards for a Dust514 player, and the link between Eve and Dust514 is so weak that I don't notice nor care about the outcome of FW. You'd think CCP would have added some Eve news/talk to the new "Updates" splash page.
I say no, If a player goes 0/17 in a match, sucks to be him already, without further punishments.
Only fixes needed for FW: Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). Better prizes and Salvage(personally I'd like to see old event dropsuits and weapons dropped in FW salvage). A more compelling and visual insight on what your actions in the wars are doing eve side. |

Lonnar
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
56
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:13:00 -
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Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.
If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system. |

Slag Emberforge
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:25:00 -
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Just a thought - if FW is supposed to be the meaningful side of play how about making a minimum amount of required SP/WP before allowing entry, 10k WP or 2mil SP (or somewhere around that area).
This way instead of punishing players that are bad, they have played enough games to get FW that by the time they reach it, if they get a score that low their team must also be getting completely decimated.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
106
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:30:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. Where else should they go? Public Contracts (in my experience) have been nothing but pubstompings by 6-person squads from some of the biggest corporations; FW is where I go to find some actual competitive battles. Even then, a squad from the big corps is usually all it takes to throw off the balance of the match.
Blame CCP for poor matchmaking (and for failing to properly train new players) all you want, but much of the problem has just as much to do with vets squading up and rolling over their (clearly outmatched) opponent without pity. It's one thing to go the entire match without having to redeploy, it's another to keep running out with proto weapons after the outcome has been well and truly decided. |

Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1391
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:39:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation).
This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1391
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:40:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Just a thought - if FW is supposed to be the meaningful side of play how about making a minimum amount of required SP/WP before allowing entry, 10k WP or 2mil SP (or somewhere around that area).
This way instead of punishing players that are bad, they have played enough games to get FW that by the time they reach it, if they get a score that low their team must also be getting completely decimated.
This is a fair limit. Low enough for easy access but high enough to block the true rookies. |

Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
984
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:48:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction.
Yea, this. I keep seeing people whine about not being trapped in the faction they chose, whether it be with Gear or FW... WHY? |

DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:58:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
If AA can't even help him get a kill in 17 deaths whats the point of it? obviously not helping the new crowd... |

Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
786
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:58:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. LOL
Instead of trying to fix the problem, you want CCP to make it worse by alienating those that aren't so good at shooters? Might as well have your nose cut off because you don't like how it looks. |

Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
362
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:04:00 -
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Lonnar wrote:Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.
If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system.
I know right?
What the op is suggesting is a unfun mechanic. Why don't you just ask CCP to shut down? Because if you start banning 'bad players', you'll be effectively killing the game. No one is gonna stick around if there is a skill check that will ban you if it feels you aren't up to par to what some elitist prick thinks is acceptable. |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1279
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:43:00 -
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Team Deploy that dude wouldn't go 0-17 in a corp on a team.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1279
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:52:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction. Yea, this. I keep seeing people whine about not being trapped in the faction they chose, whether it be with Gear or FW... WHY?
People are always saying we are mercenaries to be ringers or whatever. I think we are mercenaries because we are free to choose who we work for regardless of faction. |

Slightly-Mental
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:59:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:Lonnar wrote:Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.
If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system. I know right? What the op is suggesting is a unfun mechanic. Why don't you just ask CCP to shut down? Because if you start banning 'bad players', you'll be effectively killing the game. No one is gonna stick around if there is a skill check that will ban you if it feels you aren't up to par to what some elitist prick thinks is acceptable.
+1 |

Patrick57
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
293
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:45:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
  
Ban people for being bad at the game? Do you know what this would do to the playerbase? And beyond that, there could have been a squad of someone like, oh I don't know, SyNergy Gaming on the other team! |

Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
584
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:49:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
I support this hate noobs. |

Ynned Ivanova
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:36:00 -
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Self loathing is common place on these here forums. |

KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:39:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
TELL ME ABOUT IT. Most of the time running solo. Amarr FW players during the day are utter crap (Most of them). Leaving me facing ALONE 7+ red dots all the time.... |

Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
338
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions.
Hmm, sounds like someone trying to do something other than just straight assault killing. Being inventive and assisting in other ways perhaps? He could have been.
I've had kb stats like that when I'm trying to do something a bit more tactical, supportive and game changing that doesn't get any reward. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1338
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:23:00 -
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We need a way to let people self-screen via in-game content -- not simply declare most of the content off limits for the below average player (half the player base).
Heck, even PVE could do this... score above XYZ on a test course. Not perfect but at least fun and easy to fit into game lore. |

Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1101
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:24:00 -
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Imagine if FW only allowed full squads or teams (when team deployment is implemented), and that FW was worth it for these squads/teams (it is currently not). If these things were to happen all the randoms could enjoy their pub matches away from a lot of pubstomping squads and teams.
Of course there would still be a fair amount of smaller squads, and maybe even a few tryhard pubstomping full squads that only want to play pubs for the easy kills/wins, but then the matchmaking just has to at least ensure these squads are being put on different teams, so that matches can still be somewhat balanced. So many times I see two squads and even sometimes as many as three being put on the same team with absolutely no squads on the other team. This simply can't happen. |
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:26:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There are ways to punish bad players in attendance, and thereby effectively blocking them.
As I said, charge them for failed missions.
A scrub is not going to pay half a million isk in collateral and then continually bring his team down.
Here's an even better idea, for every failed mission in a row the collateral increases. That could work but heres a problem I could forsee, with the failed mission charge, what happens when say you are a good player yet your team still takes a loss? Do you get penilized? This would be complexe to figure out the rules and code it for something that doesnt need an imediate fix.
yes FW has an impact on eve so participation should be high risk high reward. Granted FW should really be tiered with lower risk and higher risk missions, but hell you don't even have to set it as payed for contracts just you only get payed a small per WP fee say 3-10isk per wp, and the real pay out comes in like a 400k victory reward. |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:30:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:So lets make a scenario, some guy/gal likes to game, not too great but enjoy's themselves, tries ambush/skir/dom gets met by CCP's lack of ability to create a match making system and his 550k SP ass gets proto stomped left, right and center by the large amount of Dust players who will run nothing other than their sunday best. He decides to try FW out to see if its any better for him, it isn't. So the appropriate procedure would be to ban him from a game mode for not being 1337 enough?
What you asking for is to punish lower SP players for not being high SP players. That's pathetic. And also considering FW has nothing in it other than standard rewards for a Dust514 player, and the link between Eve and Dust514 is so weak that I don't notice nor care about the outcome of FW. You'd think CCP would have added some Eve news/talk to the new "Updates" splash page.
I say no, If a player goes 0/17 in a match, sucks to be him already, without further punishments.
Only fixes needed for FW: Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). Better prizes and Salvage(personally I'd like to see old event dropsuits and weapons dropped in FW salvage). A more compelling and visual insight on what your actions in the wars are doing eve side.
yes they should be banned, if you do a standings setup you could be banned from running a races FW fights untill you grind back up that standing, you have no business in FW if you don't know what you are doing and the game should enforce this, and then explain how to reopen FW. |

Beer Smasher
suckiest bunch of sucks
3
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:30:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. So you are saying you have been a great player from day one? |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:36:00 -
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Lonnar wrote:Maybe the poor bastard was having a bad day? I suck at FPS games in general but I'm also not half bad ... I can rack up a few kills before the end of a match. On some days though ... that 0/17 with only 100 WP sounds like something I could pull when I just wasn't feeling the vibe. Usually that's my cue to call it quits for the day and try again tomorrow.
If I was banned from a game type for simply having a bad gun-game that one night ... I think I'd be more than a little miffed at the system.
once again if its a standings setup this is a none issue, you have to lose the standings you gained on your good nights. and frankly if you cant stay positive what are you doing in FW.
not to sound like an elitist prick but FW should be siphoning off the high end players not be the training grounds for the new guys, their needs to be better reward, faction rewards, FW needs high risk high reward. |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:38:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction.
agreed you are a merc you fight where you damn well please... once again a standings system would reward fighting for one faction, with out disallowing you to fight for many. |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.21 23:41:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Only being allowed to fight for your chosen race(the one from character creation). This is the only part I disagree with. You should be able to declare your loyalty and chose a different faction. Yea, this. I keep seeing people whine about not being trapped in the faction they chose, whether it be with Gear or FW... WHY?
welllll..... the suits should favor the guns of the race but untill all the suits and guns are in this is not possible, and as I said above, you should be encouraged to play for one faction, but not required. |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:11:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Why not add a, if you die x amount of time in a row without gaining any WPs you get booted from battle unable to rejoin it. no a mixture of a standings based system and a payment on victory would be ideal, you wanna pull of vets to FW and away from pubstomps, rewards should be 600-800k per victory, and 25-100isk/WP this all but guarantees that vets will will average ~2x the isk that they would in pub matches and would make the matches more competitive and interesting I mean vehicles could be regularly funded from these matches.
ohhh and maybe you could throw in an isk bonus for the amount of armor damage that you get from the mcc
I'm think I remember CCP saying some where that they didn't want to make FW about a lot of isk because its really meant for the RPers but their is no where else to draw vets to for their daily grind(PC doesn't fufill this need), If at least in the short term they were turned into high risk high reward matches, maybe with a bonus as your faction standing increases, then you would see less proto stomps in the pubs, **** player in proto can't proto stomp.
and hell if CCP really wants to turn on FF in FW they are gonna need some sort of standings system anyways. |

NOVa cluster
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:38:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I think I now understand why one side is steam rolling the other.
Not to sound like an elitist ****, but perhaps its time to start banning bad players from FW. A person with absolutely no talent whatsoever should not be taking up a valuable FW deployment slot.
At the very least, we should be charging them for failed missions. TELL ME ABOUT IT. Most of the time running solo. Amarr FW players during the day are utter crap (Most of them). Leaving me facing ALONE 7+ red dots all the time.... I've been in games i go, 20-10 (yeah got my a** kikd) and the rest of the blues go 2-15 , 3-10, 5-18 ... I MEAN WHAT!? How can you be that bad....
i dont know about faction wars i havent joined one yet i thought about it in beta but just didnt feel committed enough to sign in everyday and give them my hard earned isk.
with that said. players that arnt doing good are already being punished for dying especially if they are poor they still have to replace say 15 fully equipped suits, at around 60-75k not including lost or damaged vehicles.
now i for one go negative because i take risk to help give the team an advantage. ex i take a lite frame equipped with speed mods and an uplink and run the flank all the way to a vantage point (i would use a car but sum ass on my team stole it and blew it up permanently) then i run in for the hack . this is what hapens next i get sniped from some one glitching the carier craft or i get either ran over or two guy with heavy amar suits and chain guns/forge guns, and or mass drivers drive over and blow me to pieces with aur gear and guns.
this kind of thing happens no matter what armor i use logi cs1, amar heavy commando, assault min or galenty with shield mods stacked and a gek as rifle or the last scrambler rifle (cant remember). i will fight for a spawn point and one guy with a divoulve will merc me (that gun seems to trump everything so as soon as i get the isk and sp it is mine.)
one thing is for sure if i had a command window on L3 with commands like follow , hold your ground engage target or what ever. so i could direct my squad in game i could run stealth infiltration mission in a squad and hack points in under 10 seconds. screw kd if you hold all the spawn points you win. (i dont like mics people dont know who you are talking to or just dont care.) like wise if they added a rts type commanding system for the leaders of a faction to direct troupes to better locations from the map screen that would improve your chances of winning based on who ever had better strategy.(but ive never fought in a faction i wouldn't know its just my opinion.)
buy if i got kicked because i died 10 times while trying to defend or turn the tide by giving my team a new spawn point when they are in a pinch i would be livid.
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
96
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Posted - 2013.09.22 01:41:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Then again what's a good player? The one with high kdr ? ( maybee just a redline sniper ) I personly take the scrub over redline snipers, redline tankers, redline forge gunners, at last the scrub is trying and dieing. Me personly if I c a guy like that I point him towards some god starter corp. God knows we need more players in the game. Regards your friendly solo logibro......or unfriendly  IMO a good player... Holds that door with you, trading reloads. Logis and reps. Drops Uplinks and Hives in good places. That guy who comes from 30m to needle you in your proto fit. The guy who helps you hack the objective. That dude who gets out of the dropship and attacks something. Has good mic etiquette. Isn't dependent on corp friends to help him kick ass. Lone wolfs like a beast. Doesn't care about kd/r bc cares about sacrifices to win instead. Doesn't bark orders at people. Helps with Situational Awareness. Doesn't tk in PC. Doesn't make stupid posts that reflect badly on his corp. Doesn't pick fights with other corps or antagonize people. the list goes on and on, if you have to ask you aren't good.
Can't argue with you bro. In fact I sign al the above
However how do you ban players from the game/match as the thread maker wanted ( or whatever this was/ is about ) when they don't do the things you so fine pointed out ?
And who decides when some one is not up to standard as the thread maker stated? You? Me? CCP?
Failure to c that this can't be done implies that one is nothing but a troll.
Best regards to you |

True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2208
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Posted - 2013.09.22 01:47:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Then again what's a good player? The one with high kdr ? ( maybee just a redline sniper ) I personly take the scrub over redline snipers, redline tankers, redline forge gunners, at last the scrub is trying and dieing. Me personly if I c a guy like that I point him towards some god starter corp. God knows we need more players in the game. Regards your friendly solo logibro......or unfriendly  IMO a good player... Holds that door with you, trading reloads. Logis and reps. Drops Uplinks and Hives in good places. That guy who comes from 30m to needle you in your proto fit. The guy who helps you hack the objective. That dude who gets out of the dropship and attacks something. Has good mic etiquette. Isn't dependent on corp friends to help him kick ass. Lone wolfs like a beast. Doesn't care about kd/r bc cares about sacrifices to win instead. Doesn't bark orders at people. Helps with Situational Awareness. Doesn't tk in PC. Doesn't make stupid posts that reflect badly on his corp. Doesn't pick fights with other corps or antagonize people. the list goes on and on, if you have to ask you aren't good.
I like this but there are something I would honestly see in a good player that you don't.
I don't mind barking of orders, if it keeps me on track then yeah its fine, however if the guy is laying the blame on everyone but himself then well that's not good.
I don't think lone wolfing makes you a good player at all.
I don't know about the PC thing. There are some great players in PC, there are also some terrible ones. PC means nothing in terms of skill level. |
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