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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:09:00 -
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1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?
My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1121
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:46:00 -
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But you guys are scouts though. So I would expect death to be closer in friendship with scouts than with any other role. Maybe I'm wrong because I don't do scout roles. Yall fast and troublesome...what more do you want? |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
214
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:06:00 -
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- Able to fit our suits properly (PG/CPU/Slots) - Be faster and have more stamina than a medium suit - Have our hit box made smaller and not lag behind us - Have AA not work against a scout suit - Make our passive scanners work - Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?) - etc. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:11:00 -
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eWar bonuses, SoonGäó |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:12:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:But you guys are scouts though. So I would expect death to be closer in friendship with scouts than with any other role. Maybe I'm wrong because I don't do scout roles. Yall fast and troublesome...what more do you want?
There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner.
So now our nearly useless passive scann abilities totally useless. In short Scout =/= Scout but Scout = Easy Prey.
Regarding the OP CCP said when the vehicle balancing goes well they try to give scout some in 1.5 now that the vehicle balancing is of the table I highly doubt that there will be much love for scouts prior to 1.7 or 1.8 (I suspect 1.6 to be the new vehicle patch)... |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:18:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:- Able to fit our suits properly (PG/CPU/Slots) - Be faster and have more stamina than a medium suit - Have our hit box made smaller and not lag behind us - Have AA not work against a scout suit - Make our passive scanners work - Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?) - etc.
This would be really a good start... |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1643
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:19:00 -
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never |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
60
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:28:00 -
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not soon enough... the hit box and the lag and really pissing me off. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
282
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:31:00 -
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Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost.
I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible.
When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every.
Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people.
They could do with a small increase in speed, not health. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:34:00 -
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It doesn't seem like you are expecting them to just be a faster weaker slayer, because they really shouldn't be. I think at best they shoudl really only excel at solo slaying, and 'chasing down' wounded players. Otherwise expecting them to be able to have a competitive time slaying with such low HP isn't realistic. However I think the new WP system in 1.5 could really help thema nd their roles. Getting points from scanning/scan killing/killing equipment will give them a new and larger chunk of WP to draw from that won't require jumping into the thick of battle, and will likely put them up against the more often, weaker, logibros. |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:39:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost.
I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible.
When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every.
Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people.
They could do with a small increase in speed, not health.
Right now scouts are only fragile, fast? the Minni Assault ist nearly as fast as a scout with more flexibility and more health. The difference in speed between a scout and a medium frame suit is not great and it does not justify the differences in slot layout and HP.
With the raising prominence of active scanners scouts aren't stealthy any more you have to invest quite some SP to bypass even the advanced scanner (AUR) or the Protoscanner bypassing the Focused Active Scanner is nearly impossible with a reasonable fit.
- So we can not scout better than medium suits - we aren't reasonable faster than medium suits - And thanks to active scanners we can't flank very good and LOS always catches us - The shot gun still doesn't work right and with a useless proficiency skill the SG is not able to compete at CQC.
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
462
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:40:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:- Able to fit our suits properly (PG/CPU/Slots) - Be faster and have more stamina than a medium suit - Have our hit box made smaller and not lag behind us - Have AA not work against a scout suit - Make our passive scanners work - Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?) - etc. This would be really a good start...
I second this. Strongly - except that I do like the Gallente racial bonus, a lot.
I also agree w/ Kasote that scouts don't need an HP buff. Some scouts go with shield and armor mods and are pretty buff actually. But some run around w/ 250 HP (I do) and attempt to play to a more sneaky, quick hit and run playstyle and that's cool too.
All that being said though, I'm one scout that can hold out a few more builds. I'd rather see CCP get things right with the content and balancing which was pushed back. It hurts, especially being so squishy now with the new hit detection and aim assist..... but, it is what it is.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
282
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:46:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Right now scouts are only fragile, fast? the Minni Assault ist nearly as fast as a scout with more flexibility and more health. The difference in speed between a scout and a medium frame suit is not great and it does not justify the differences in slot layout and HP.
With the raising prominence of active scanners scouts aren't stealthy any more you have to invest quite some SP to bypass even the advanced scanner (AUR) or the Protoscanner bypassing the Focused Active Scanner is nearly impossible with a reasonable fit.
- So we can not scout better than medium suits - we aren't reasonable faster than medium suits - And thanks to active scanners we can't flank very good and LOS always catches us - The shot gun still doesn't work right and with a useless proficiency skill the SG is not able to compete at CQC.
I agree that the scanning has been a tremendous blow towards the scouts.
... For those that don't lure.
I don't run dampeners on any of my suits. I will run something like, say Cardiac Regulator and Kinetic Catalyzer. You may see me, but I'll be damned if you can catch my Motocross lookin' ass. Scouts are not useless.
Just know that the Scout is often a one way ticket. Accept the suit as a token of good faith and an acceptance of death, for it is only the Scout that is so intimate with death so often.
Added note: As mentioned elsewhere, WP is going to be coming to Scouts way soon. Added note, part 2: It's funny to see people trying to chase my Scout down. Some get me, some don't. Win some, lose some. Still funny to me though. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:48:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Right now scouts are only fragile, fast? the Minni Assault ist nearly as fast as a scout with more flexibility and more health. The difference in speed between a scout and a medium frame suit is not great and it does not justify the differences in slot layout and HP.
With the raising prominence of active scanners scouts aren't stealthy any more you have to invest quite some SP to bypass even the advanced scanner (AUR) or the Protoscanner bypassing the Focused Active Scanner is nearly impossible with a reasonable fit.
- So we can not scout better than medium suits - we aren't reasonable faster than medium suits - And thanks to active scanners we can't flank very good and LOS always catches us - The shot gun still doesn't work right and with a useless proficiency skill the SG is not able to compete at CQC.
I agree that the scanning has been a tremendous blow towards the scouts. ... For those that don't lure. I don't run dampeners on any of my suits. I will run something like, say Cardiac Regulator and Kinetic Catalyzer. You may see me, but I'll be damned if you can catch my Motocross lookin' ass. Scouts are not useless. Just know that the Scout is often a one way ticket. Accept the suit as a token of good faith and an acceptance of death, for it is only the Scout that is so intimate with death so often.
Don't get me wrong I love scouts its just the hard way as the Suit can be outclassed in every way by medium suits. So the scout is always the hard choice no matter what you want to do but still the scout can do this stuff... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5356
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:03:00 -
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At this rate, probably 2.3 after they fix the issues with 2.0 and bring in really important stuff for 2.2 like extra grass textures... |
Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
154
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:24:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:- Able to fit our suits properly (PG/CPU/Slots) - Be faster and have more stamina than a medium suit - Have our hit box made smaller and not lag behind us - Have AA not work against a scout suit - Make our passive scanners work - Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?) - etc. This would be really a good start... I second this. Strongly - except that I do like the Gallente racial bonus, a lot. I also agree w/ Kasote that scouts don't need an HP buff. Some scouts go with shield and armor mods and are pretty buff actually. But some run around w/ 250 HP (I do) and attempt to play to a more sneaky, quick hit and run playstyle and that's cool too. All that being said though, I'm one scout that can hold out a few more builds. I'd rather see CCP get things right with the content and balancing which was pushed back. It hurts, especially being so squishy now with the new hit detection and aim assist..... but, it is what it is.
This.
KDR has actually gone up in 1.4. It's a good job no one uses a 15db scanner pubs though. |
PR DIABOLITO NY
Internal Rebellion
20
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:43:00 -
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I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences.
Diabolito |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1198
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:35:00 -
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PR DIABOLITO NY wrote:I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences. Diabolito
Hmmm |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1198
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:38:00 -
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AAGMUNDR wrote:Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1314744#post1314744
A cruel joke? Guess we'll find out soon. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1199
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:42:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:
There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner.
In observing the Scout Community's performance, the squad-sight change is likely the best thing that's happened to Scouts since Uprising 1.0. Tac AR nerf, Flaylock nerf, and a reliable Shotgun are runners up. |
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
517
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:59:00 -
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It sounds like some of you are finding ways to make it work. As for me, I've tried it all and I always die to the same reasons. I always get spotted! I'm running over here_AR hits me. I'll hide over here_AR hits me. We want answers from the devs about our standing. Since I can't kill alot, I somettimes play a supportive role and do just as bad. My only hope are these knive upgrades in 1.5. How long will they make me wait in order for me to have an advantage in a scout suit. We shouldn't be that fragile to begin with, when we use scout mods, we are fighting naked with no armor. |
f-ANT-astic-1
Blauhelme Die Fremdenlegion
3
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:25:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:PR DIABOLITO NY wrote:I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences. Diabolito Hmmm
this post made my day. thx Shotty |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
180
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:40:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?
My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". Yeah turn nova knives into Light slot |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1002
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:44:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Michael Arck wrote:But you guys are scouts though. So I would expect death to be closer in friendship with scouts than with any other role. Maybe I'm wrong because I don't do scout roles. Yall fast and troublesome...what more do you want? There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner. So now our nearly useless passive scann abilities totally useless. In short Scout =/= Scout but Scout = Easy Prey. Regarding the OP CCP said when the vehicle balancing goes well they try to give scout some in 1.5 now that the vehicle balancing is of the table I highly doubt that there will be much love for scouts prior to 1.7 or 1.8 (I suspect 1.6 to be the new vehicle patch)... that was a more buff then need for us imo.
maybe make so only scouts can have there few shared viewpoints with their squads.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
191
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:24:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:
There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner.
In observing the Scout Community's performance, the squad-sight change is likely the best thing that's happened to Scouts since Uprising 1.0. Tac AR nerf, Flaylock nerf, and a somewhat more reliable Shotgun are runners up.
But this destroyed the whole point of the gallente scout and its role. Sure it is still somewhat usable and maybe they benefit from the removal if they run as light assault but I never really thought that this was the intended role of a scout suit.
Even if scouts do in general better that changes nothing about the fact that they don't have a role an the battlefield anything a scout can do right now a medium frame can do better with more survivability.
To stay undetected you have to put quite some efforts in dampening as more and more folks is running the advanced scanner... |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
526
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:02:00 -
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What's going to happen to us? and when? |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
696
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:12:00 -
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The minja scout definetly needs a lower scan profile since it cannot beat the 15 db scanner which makes this the most horrible scout choice if you wish to be in a pc battle, I can't believe nobody has even complained about this, an ccp won't even respec my suit even tho I had it befor we even had scanners, friggen bs |
Revelations 514
Red Star. EoN.
120
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:18:00 -
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I love how most of the community don't want to see Scouts as viable threats:
"They already are really tough though"
A: Chances are it was a mid frame, they move about as fast as a Scout, but if you had trouble killing him; it was not a Scout. No one has trouble killing Scouts.
"They are supposed to be used for blah blah"
A: Love how you tell us what Scouts should be used for. Why have options then. Just pre-load our Scout suit with what we are "supposed" to use.
"I do fine with my Scout, I use it for ...."
A: Yes but you don't use it for the whole time. You use it for one specific purpose, usually to speed hack something, then switch back out. For someone wanting to actually use a Scout all the time what then? I am only useful in 1/3 the match? In a game about killing, all classes must be able to kill, everything else it does it what makes it special. Hell a logi can kill, and bring folks to life, and run about the same speed all with the same fitting. Don't tell me what to do and that I am stuck using my Scout suit as simply a mobile scanner. Sounds like a great time. Well with a Scout your supposed to use a scanner and stay away from combat.....really? How fun is that. "Oh wow today I had this great game where I moved to one side of the field and put down this piece of equipment and just....waited around. Then I did it again!"
Fix the ******* Scouts already. Nerf the friggen AR's while your at it. This **** is soo friggen obvious to anyone who cares to look at it objectively. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1383
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:06:00 -
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PR DIABOLITO NY wrote:I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences. Diabolito Sorry bout doin that to your squad.. Trust me though.. It would of been worse if I was a minmitar medium with a shotgun |
Blunt Puffing
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
6
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:18:00 -
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Do what I do and make a Scout Gk.0 fit with all Enhanced Armor Plates and all your proto stuff. With 630+ armor, the speed of an assault without mods and a logi at your side, you can watch the world burn as you wreak havoc in the servers with this terrible oxymoron.
NOTE: I don't use the fit as it is too ridiculous. I just keep it as my favorite for laughs. And sometimes to bail me out of a tough situation next to a suppy depot. |
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