But you guys are scouts though. So I would expect death to be closer in friendship with scouts than with any other role. Maybe I'm wrong because I don't do scout roles. Yall fast and troublesome...what more do you want?

- Able to fit our suits properly (PG/CPU/Slots)
- Be faster and have more stamina than a medium suit
- Have our hit box made smaller and not lag behind us
- Have AA not work against a scout suit
- Make our passive scanners work
- Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?)
- etc.

Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost.

I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible.

When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every.

Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people.

They could do with a small increase in speed, not health.

This would be really a good start...

Right now scouts are only fragile, fast? the Minni Assault ist nearly as fast as a scout with more flexibility and more health. The difference in speed between a scout and a medium frame suit is not great and it does not justify the differences in slot layout and HP.

With the raising prominence of active scanners scouts aren't stealthy any more you have to invest quite some SP to bypass even the advanced scanner (AUR) or the Protoscanner bypassing the Focused Active Scanner is nearly impossible with a reasonable fit.

- So we can not scout better than medium suits
- we aren't reasonable faster than medium suits
- And thanks to active scanners we can't flank very good and LOS always catches us
- The shot gun still doesn't work right and with a useless proficiency skill the SG is not able to compete at CQC.

I agree that the scanning has been a tremendous blow towards the scouts.

... For those that don't lure.

I don't run dampeners on any of my suits. I will run something like, say Cardiac Regulator and Kinetic Catalyzer. You may see me, but I'll be damned if you can catch my Motocross lookin' ass. Scouts are not useless.

Just know that the Scout is often a one way ticket. Accept the suit as a token of good faith and an acceptance of death, for it is only the Scout that is so intimate with death so often.

I second this. Strongly - except that I do like the Gallente racial bonus, a lot.

I also agree w/ Kasote that scouts don't need an HP buff. Some scouts go with shield and armor mods and are pretty buff actually. But some run around w/ 250 HP (I do) and attempt to play to a more sneaky, quick hit and run playstyle and that's cool too.

All that being said though, I'm one scout that can hold out a few more builds. I'd rather see CCP get things right with the content and balancing which was pushed back. It hurts, especially being so squishy now with the new hit detection and aim assist..... but, it is what it is.

I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences.


Diabolito

Scouts are getting second equipment slot at proto and getting cloak as an active equipment. Confirmed by logibro in AOL chat room.

There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner.

Hmmm

1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?

My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help".

There would be nothing wrong if we could scout but we can't as CCP decides shared Teamview is a bad Idea apart from the Active scanner.

So now our nearly useless passive scann abilities totally useless. In short Scout =/= Scout but Scout = Easy Prey.

Regarding the OP CCP said when the vehicle balancing goes well they try to give scout some in 1.5 now that the vehicle balancing is of the table I highly doubt that there will be much love for scouts prior to 1.7 or 1.8 (I suspect 1.6 to be the new vehicle patch)...

In observing the Scout Community's performance, the squad-sight change is likely the best thing that's happened to Scouts since Uprising 1.0. Tac AR nerf, Flaylock nerf, and a somewhat more reliable Shotgun are runners up.

I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences.


Diabolito

I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences.


Diabolito

1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?

My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help".

1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?

My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help".

It sounds like some of you are finding ways to make it work. As for me, I've tried it all and I always die to the same reasons. I always get spotted! I'm running over here_AR hits me. I'll hide over here_AR hits me.
We want answers from the devs about our standing. Since I can't kill alot, I somettimes play a supportive role and do just as bad.
My only hope are these knive upgrades in 1.5. How long will they make me wait in order for me to have an advantage in a scout suit. We shouldn't be that fragile to begin with, when we use scout mods, we are fighting naked with no armor.

- Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?)
- etc.

When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does.

When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does.

In observing the Scout Community's performance, the squad-sight change is likely the best thing that's happened to Scouts since Chromosome..

Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost.

I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible.

When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every.

Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people.

They could do with a small increase in speed, not health.

When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does.

We all know that we are good players. The problem is dying from noobs with ARs and no creativity. When I die from a scout I'm like "ok, that bastard lol" I'm sure everyone realizes that we are scouts, but we must also be in the assult or you won't help out your team. When you go solo to hack a point and someone is on to you, you have to kill him! and my scout mods that I invested in should be able to help me! The game is unbearable and pointless. I'm hanging in there.

Your will is all inspiring brother.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

Maybe you're using it wrong. I have only enhanced gallente scout running complex shield extenders and a complex kinetic catalyzer and I do just fine with my militia shotgun. I think the problem with scout suits is with the community using them as fast assault suits with low health. You don't need invisibility to execute the assassination playstyle.

I don't think I've ever seen a scout asking for more HP - where have you possibly got that from? That's the last thing scouts care about. We know we're weak and will die the moment someone lands a couple of shots on us. What we want is for the things that make us scouty to actually make a difference to our survivability and to be able to fit our suits to a reasonable level instead of running out of CPU at 3/4 slots without even using a proto weapon!

The scout community is mad.

In more ways than one!

Yeah, scouts are fine until you get into real combat. I see from your corp that you most likely haven't seen any PC action. Go ahead and show us your positive K/D in PC in your Scout suit you badass you. FFS any true Scout will not sit there and honestly say they are fine as is...so your either not a true Scout, or haven't seen true combat. I'm not willing to call you a liar so I chose the latter.

Your complex extenders don't actually do anything since they are based on % and mean that it's not even one extra bullet from an AR, you would be better served by the rechargers that lower your max shield output.

1 complex kincat doesn't make you much faster, and only with sprinting, so you are fodder once someone sees you as you cannot "speed tank"

militia shotty is actually a smart move and I use it as well. Good luck getting kills on peeps in PC with 800-900EHP though. Gonna take you four point blank shots if they are perfectly placed, and you will not survive that long. So don't assume the Scout community is full of stupid folks that are "using them wrong" which is also a crap argument. We all came up the same way and I can almost guarantee every Scout has used your same setup in the same way at the same point during their progression. Get to the end game and then see how your fit stacks up. The Scout "role" gets harder as you progress there bud, both gear wise and because your tricks will no longer be as effective.