DUST Search - When will scouts get buffed?

Revelations 514 wrote:

Toby Flenderson wrote:

Niuvo wrote:

1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about?

My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help".

Maybe you're using it wrong. I have only enhanced gallente scout running complex shield extenders and a complex kinetic catalyzer and I do just fine with my militia shotgun. I think the problem with scout suits is with the community using them as fast assault suits with low health. You don't need invisibility to execute the assassination playstyle.

Yeah, scouts are fine until you get into real combat. I see from your corp that you most likely haven't seen any PC action. Go ahead and show us your positive K/D in PC in your Scout suit you badass you. FFS any true Scout will not sit there and honestly say they are fine as is...so your either not a true Scout, or haven't seen true combat. I'm not willing to call you a liar so I chose the latter.

Your complex extenders don't actually do anything since they are based on % and mean that it's not even one extra bullet from an AR, you would be better served by the rechargers that lower your max shield output.

1 complex kincat doesn't make you much faster, and only with sprinting, so you are fodder once someone sees you as you cannot "speed tank"

militia shotty is actually a smart move and I use it as well. Good luck getting kills on peeps in PC with 800-900EHP though. Gonna take you four point blank shots if they are perfectly placed, and you will not survive that long. So don't assume the Scout community is full of stupid folks that are "using them wrong" which is also a crap argument. We all came up the same way and I can almost guarantee every Scout has used your same setup in the same way at the same point during their progression. Get to the end game and then see how your fit stacks up. The Scout "role" gets harder as you progress there bud, both gear wise and because your tricks will no longer be as effective.

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Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 196	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:41:00 - [31] - Quote PR DIABOLITO NY wrote: I find this interesting as my squads from the last few days, have been owned by 'nerfed' scouts with 'broken' shotguns!! Have gone through quite a few matches where the shotgun scouts have gone 19/1, 24/4, 18/3, and so on!! Where the top 5 players on the other team had at least 3 scouts with over 1200 WP each. At one point, 3 of us in the squad could not kill a single shotgunner as he ran over 100m up to us and then proceeded to kill four people in under a minute while jumping over (yes over, wish I had the video) 50m in a single hop!! I am sorry, but that doesnt seem broken or nerfed to me. Just my observations and experiences. Diabolito Yeah, buddy! ;D
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 936	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:38:00 - [32] - Quote I agree. I can OHK a scout with a direct hit from a MD or a blaster turret. They should get jetpacks and cloaks....seriously.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:30:00 - [33] - Quote like we are going to get something, CCP wants to relegate us to a non combat role, just drop equipment here and there and nothing else, oh great i was in this mach and i scanned the enemy, and then i scanned again, i died like 8 times but i had fun scanning the enemy and dropping nanohives and stuff, so much fun
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 697	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:14:00 - [34] - Quote People are so scared of the scout from chrome that everyone an their mom say " scouts aren't for killing" Yet they have never quite thought $hit out, we're the first ones in a area, we're the ones sent to take back a objective surrounded by a live cru an enemy uplinks with nothing more than a 250 HP suit, a shotgun, knives, or smg, while at any given time a enemy can spawn in at several points in this location! So how the FAK can some dip$hit assault using a dragonfly scout suit with a assault rifle tell me our class works as intended! Man assault rifle on a scout just seems like cheating to me lol. But for real, I have like 20 million sp in a mini scout that can't profile damp under 15 db, yet this scanner never came out till I already had my suit. Yet ccp denies a respec, ok fine it was worth a shot, except there goes being any use in pc! So we're expected to get these objectives, dump sp into all electronic skills, biotics, cardiac, kinetics, uplinks, scanners, hacking, shields, armor, explosives, Max your CPU an pg, pic some broken weapons, proficiency these weapons, spec into damage mods, an yet have to spec into all this $hit basically just for the stupid 10 or 15% passive bonus because we can basically not fit any of the mods or have to make several different suits to do the friggen job! I used to use 6 different scout suits just to get uplink points an depend on the supply depot, then have no speed or profile damp cuz I gotta switch to a hack suit or a scan suit, but I can't do any of this at the same damn time cuz we have one equipment an two low slots! I'm supposed to bring a link somewhere an hack , an have a low profile an use a scanner but I can't fit all this $hit on my suit slot or CPU pg to the point it pissed me off so much that I skilled into minmatar logi lv 1 just to use it as a SUITCASE! Scout in get the depot, switch to logi twice to get my links out in two shots instead of 6 friggen times! Truth is I dOnt think the servers can handle our speed given a extra low mini slot an their scared of a tanked gko with two damage mods, well change the game if the buff us an then it s gonna be AR screams of nerd the scout their not ment to kill this muchQQ! Yet for some reason people think everyone just plays skirmish or something, it's a scout play, but domination an ambush is straight up killing, not to mention scouts are more used to dying an adapting than anyone else an if this changes because scouts get better or get buffed everyone's gonna cry about these weak suits destroying these AR knobs an because it's the majority player base were getting the shaft! Remember the cries about shotty scouts in chrome? Well look at the sg an scouts now! Destroyed!
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 42	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:32:00 - [35] - Quote of course, and everyone is a critic, but they think that they know only because they got owned by a scout once or they saw a scout do well once, or even by saying that they use the scout, but truly only to get quickly to an objective, i use basic and adv scouts gallente suits, you think i can fit an active scanner a crg shotgun nades and shield armor?, of course not, but god forgives that a scout get a kill, thats unthinkable, they will see us become only a fast hack suit, it has been 4 months now that CCP said that they were aware of the fall of the scout, well now we are in the extiction of the scout, but we will not go down easily
Toby Flenderson research lab The Superpowers 39	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:42:00 - [36] - Quote Niuvo wrote: 1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about? My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". Maybe you're using it wrong. I have only enhanced gallente scout running complex shield extenders and a complex kinetic catalyzer and I do just fine with my militia shotgun. I think the problem with scout suits is with the community using them as fast assault suits with low health. You don't need invisibility to execute the assassination playstyle.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 698	Posted - 2013.09.21 04:15:00 - [37] - Quote Niuvo wrote: 1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about? My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". Hey bro I'm not sure what scout u use or how manny sp u have but never leave home without the advanced quantum scanner it's really helped me a lot . If I knew more I could maybe tell you what I do, I ve even tried to squad wit you a few times but feel free to hit me up to swap info. For me I run the minja with prof 4 on my knives, smg an sg but I dropped the shotty since automatic weapons seem to own an knife hit detection is amazing when it works an gets me dead on some dumb shyt when it doesn't. I use a logi as a suitcase to drop links then get back to the scout once I'm done an this helps for points, but my scout always has a scanner an I mostly play skirmish now since its easier to find lonely enemies. My profile damp is at 4 which beats the advanced scanner , one basic pd an a reactive plate helps with regen an also lets me use a precision an dam mod on a adv min scout, just always stay out line of sight with the scanner an attack from the side an back helps with the scanner, try it out bro
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 490	Posted - 2013.09.21 04:25:00 - [38] - Quote Niuvo wrote: It sounds like some of you are finding ways to make it work. As for me, I've tried it all and I always die to the same reasons. I always get spotted! I'm running over here_AR hits me. I'll hide over here_AR hits me. We want answers from the devs about our standing. Since I can't kill alot, I somettimes play a supportive role and do just as bad. My only hope are these knive upgrades in 1.5. How long will they make me wait in order for me to have an advantage in a scout suit. We shouldn't be that fragile to begin with, when we use scout mods, we are fighting naked with no armor. How do you fit your suit out? My go to fit is ADV g-scout / 2 basic shields / ADV breach SMG and Knives / ADV flux / ADV Uplinks / ADV cardiac / ADV codebreaker. ^This fit has seen me through good times and bad. If my team is focusing on the point than I flank around and take the outposts while hiding uplinks near my workplace. Doing this allows me to return to the area even if they take the CRU so that I can retake the area. At times I play the decoy by rushing past multiple enemies to get there attention and then while they are focused on me my squad can attack from behind or pinned down allies can make there escape. If I die I will just spawn within 100meters of them and continue to annoy the crap out of them. Sure it seems like i'm wasting my time but that is 2-5 players that are no longer attacking the objectives OR our outposts. I find the best way to play a scout is to create your own objectives based on the situation and work towards completing those as apposed to just doing the same thing as everyone else. At one point an allie was hacking a point and he was going to get killed so I did what any logi would do (and yea, i'm a scout) and jumped in front of him to take the bullets. Sure I didn't last but he got the hack off and the attacker was killed before he could counter hack. I'm "Supposed" to remain hidden but TBH I find I am much more effective when the enemy knows exactly where I am. It's all about making the best of your situation. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 779	Posted - 2013.09.21 04:57:00 - [39] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: - Give use proper racial bonuses for our class (hacking?) - etc. 1: A good bonus would be 2 types of equipment (will get to that), such as Active Scanners, and some sort of AOE scan dampening equipment for Gallente. 2: Some kind of built in cloak. I would go with a chameleon cloak. 3: 2 Equipment slots, as well as extra CPU/PG for said slots.
Hawk Steel1 The Walking Targets 7	Posted - 2013.09.21 05:05:00 - [40] - Quote When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does.

ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 490	Posted - 2013.09.21 05:08:00 - [41] - Quote Hawk Steel1 wrote: When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does. Making two very valid and usefull changes at once would only mean more problems. What problems? IDK but then again the new issues that arise always seem to come out of know were `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 698	Posted - 2013.09.21 06:15:00 - [42] - Quote Hawk Steel1 wrote: When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does. Oh **** off, you already got a armor buff, and a speed buff an stamina buff because of the armor plate buff, an movement, give me a break!
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 159	Posted - 2013.09.21 06:21:00 - [43] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: In observing the Scout Community's performance, the squad-sight change is likely the best thing that's happened to Scouts since Chromosome.. But it's not enough. the field-of-view infinite precision ID "feature" must go as well. we dont need invisibility cloaks. Just that.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1489	Posted - 2013.09.21 08:23:00 - [44] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost. I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible. When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every. Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people. They could do with a small increase in speed, not health. I don't think I've ever seen a scout asking for more HP - where have you possibly got that from? That's the last thing scouts care about. We know we're weak and will die the moment someone lands a couple of shots on us. What we want is for the things that make us scouty to actually make a difference to our survivability and to be able to fit our suits to a reasonable level instead of running out of CPU at 3/4 slots without even using a proto weapon!
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 790	Posted - 2013.09.21 08:37:00 - [45] - Quote 1: They need more CPU/PG, or reduce the cost of some modules and equipment that is Scout-centric, as those specific ones, mainly the Kincats are very high priced. They also need more base speed (not much, but enough to where a medium frame can almost keep pace), and more stamina. Lastly, they need better built in scanners. 3: Scouts Also Need another equipment slot, as well as better slot layouts (adjust for CPU/PG) to help more as a support role. 4: More EWAR equipment needs to get in, as well as bonuses per race for their specialty EWAR type. 5: They need a chameleon cloak so they can blend into the environment better.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1012	Posted - 2013.09.21 15:10:00 - [46] - Quote Hawk Steel1 wrote: When will scouts get buffed? When my HMG does. You guys got a turn speed buff. I think the heavy suit needs a ehp boost but not the HMG(we are talking about suits, not weapons)
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 530	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:31:00 - [47] - Quote We all know that we are good players. The problem is dying from noobs with ARs and no creativity. When I die from a scout I'm like "ok, that bastard lol" I'm sure everyone realizes that we are scouts, but we must also be in the assult or you won't help out your team. When you go solo to hack a point and someone is on to you, you have to kill him! and my scout mods that I invested in should be able to help me! The game is unbearable and pointless. I'm hanging in there.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces League of Infamy 508	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:03:00 - [48] - Quote Niuvo wrote: We all know that we are good players. The problem is dying from noobs with ARs and no creativity. When I die from a scout I'm like "ok, that bastard lol" I'm sure everyone realizes that we are scouts, but we must also be in the assult or you won't help out your team. When you go solo to hack a point and someone is on to you, you have to kill him! and my scout mods that I invested in should be able to help me! The game is unbearable and pointless. I'm hanging in there. Your will is all inspiring brother. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 530	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:28:00 - [49] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Niuvo wrote: We all know that we are good players. The problem is dying from noobs with ARs and no creativity. When I die from a scout I'm like "ok, that bastard lol" I'm sure everyone realizes that we are scouts, but we must also be in the assult or you won't help out your team. When you go solo to hack a point and someone is on to you, you have to kill him! and my scout mods that I invested in should be able to help me! The game is unbearable and pointless. I'm hanging in there. Your will is all inspiring brother. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. Thanks. its like this. the game sucks and sucks. The second I see you on the enemy team, my eyes get big and wide and now I want to kill you. If I die by you in a scout suit, I will go to my grave happy knowing that someone else is using the same thing as me. That is what makes my day. or, or if we are on the same team tearing things up. I know forsure that the scout suit has its moments of glory, of triumph over overwhelming odds! We refuse to drop our standards because we know that scout is how we want to play. Even if it means dying a lot right now.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces League of Infamy 511	Posted - 2013.09.23 14:26:00 - [50] - Quote Oh man! Preach! I would speak from my point of view but you already said what needs to be said lol `Sigh. Just another good game of DUST.

Revelations 514 Red Star. EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.09.25 19:27:00 - [51] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Niuvo wrote: 1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about? My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". Maybe you're using it wrong. I have only enhanced gallente scout running complex shield extenders and a complex kinetic catalyzer and I do just fine with my militia shotgun. I think the problem with scout suits is with the community using them as fast assault suits with low health. You don't need invisibility to execute the assassination playstyle. Yeah, scouts are fine until you get into real combat. I see from your corp that you most likely haven't seen any PC action. Go ahead and show us your positive K/D in PC in your Scout suit you badass you. FFS any true Scout will not sit there and honestly say they are fine as is...so your either not a true Scout, or haven't seen true combat. I'm not willing to call you a liar so I chose the latter. Your complex extenders don't actually do anything since they are based on % and mean that it's not even one extra bullet from an AR, you would be better served by the rechargers that lower your max shield output. 1 complex kincat doesn't make you much faster, and only with sprinting, so you are fodder once someone sees you as you cannot "speed tank" militia shotty is actually a smart move and I use it as well. Good luck getting kills on peeps in PC with 800-900EHP though. Gonna take you four point blank shots if they are perfectly placed, and you will not survive that long. So don't assume the Scout community is full of stupid folks that are "using them wrong" which is also a crap argument. We all came up the same way and I can almost guarantee every Scout has used your same setup in the same way at the same point during their progression. Get to the end game and then see how your fit stacks up. The Scout "role" gets harder as you progress there bud, both gear wise and because your tricks will no longer be as effective.
da GAND High-Damage 249	Posted - 2013.09.25 19:30:00 - [52] - Quote Having all this speed is pointless since we got this super aim-assist that locks onto us pretty dam quickly and it doesn't take many shots to kill us at all.
Revelations 514 Red Star. EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.09.25 20:16:00 - [53] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: Scouts are not Assault. They are not Heavy. They are light. Fast. Fragile. I do not believe they need a health boost. I'm not sure about the others here, but I do not have an issue suiting up my Gallente Scout. The Scouts were not meant for the front lines. Doing otherwise is the same as a lone heavy out in the open. Terrible. When using the Scout, use it as a team player role, not a pretend Assault. Flank, don't charge. Duck behind cover, don't jump over it. Stay out of sight. These are the things to go by when running Scout. In 1.3, they said the Shotgun Scout was terrible. I scoffed at them and did it anyways, running only standard or less. 10+ every Ambush. Every. Something is off about the 1.4 shotgun, in my opinion. I feel as though it doesn't work as it did before. That sure as **** doesn't stop my own Scout from melee raping people. They could do with a small increase in speed, not health. I don't think I've ever seen a scout asking for more HP - where have you possibly got that from? That's the last thing scouts care about. We know we're weak and will die the moment someone lands a couple of shots on us. What we want is for the things that make us scouty to actually make a difference to our survivability and to be able to fit our suits to a reasonable level instead of running out of CPU at 3/4 slots without even using a proto weapon! Let's not forget that Scouts are the only class to be able to utilize flanking and hiding maneuvers. I mean when you equip the Scout suit you get this new option to flank and hide right..... Sarcasm, laying it on pretty thick....
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1437	Posted - 2013.09.25 20:19:00 - [54] - Quote Niuvo wrote: The scout community is mad. In more ways than one!
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces League of Infamy 515	Posted - 2013.09.26 00:47:00 - [55] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Niuvo wrote: The scout community is mad. In more ways than one! Eh, I have mixed feelings on our situation. Sad: We are ALWAYS at a disadvantage. Amped: We get the most amazing kills imaginable WHILE AT A DISADVANTAGE! `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 547	Posted - 2013.09.26 06:10:00 - [56] - Quote Revelations 514 wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Niuvo wrote: 1.5, 1.6? The scout community is mad. What are your plans for us? If we die this quick then cloaking should be ours only, so we can stay invisible. CCP, you guys can do better. Think assassination playstyle. Nova Blade can be a Light weapon because no one uses NKs as a sidearm. 16mil SP and I have to run like a ***** from a mlt suit with a mlt weapon. I get spotted easily, you can't avoid fire with speed, I'm sure you already know about the movement speed shenanigans. What are you intending for us to do? How do we play as scout role?! We need answers. Will we get a respec? What kind of buffs are you thinking about? My gallente is sitting in a dark room by himself, just sitting there. Abandoned. Cobwebs are around him, heavy Dust (514) all over him. He has a sign that reads "Help". Maybe you're using it wrong. I have only enhanced gallente scout running complex shield extenders and a complex kinetic catalyzer and I do just fine with my militia shotgun. I think the problem with scout suits is with the community using them as fast assault suits with low health. You don't need invisibility to execute the assassination playstyle. Yeah, scouts are fine until you get into real combat. I see from your corp that you most likely haven't seen any PC action. Go ahead and show us your positive K/D in PC in your Scout suit you badass you. FFS any true Scout will not sit there and honestly say they are fine as is...so your either not a true Scout, or haven't seen true combat. I'm not willing to call you a liar so I chose the latter. Your complex extenders don't actually do anything since they are based on % and mean that it's not even one extra bullet from an AR, you would be better served by the rechargers that lower your max shield output. 1 complex kincat doesn't make you much faster, and only with sprinting, so you are fodder once someone sees you as you cannot "speed tank" militia shotty is actually a smart move and I use it as well. Good luck getting kills on peeps in PC with 800-900EHP though. Gonna take you four point blank shots if they are perfectly placed, and you will not survive that long. So don't assume the Scout community is full of stupid folks that are "using them wrong" which is also a crap argument. We all came up the same way and I can almost guarantee every Scout has used your same setup in the same way at the same point during their progression. Get to the end game and then see how your fit stacks up. The Scout "role" gets harder as you progress there bud, both gear wise and because your tricks will no longer be as effective. Relax guy. We aren't at optimum condition. Who knows when? It's not about going positive in pc, it's how much you contribute. I haven't been in much PC, so what? Don't want to build hatred now. In the future when I want to be in PC I'll go in my scout suit no matter what. Why? Because that's how I want to play and I'm not going to switch to fotm OP/unbalanced weapons. Maybe in the future we'll be on par.


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