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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6044	Posted - 2013.09.19 04:59:00 - [1] - Quote Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected. Logis also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless. Logis need to get war points regardless of even if the dying merc chooses to deny the injection. The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time. To prevent abuse by WP boosters, selecting the deny option, or not selecting any option, should make you no longer injectable. The deny option specifically should automatically bleed you out. These are so a logi can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP.
Musta Tornius Cannonfodder PMC 599	Posted - 2013.09.19 10:27:00 - [2] - Quote The only problem with this is that how do you show that the body has been injected already? You don't want to have multiple people with needles trying to res the same corpse or hover around it trying to hit 'O'. Maybe a more reasonable way would be to have a 3 second window that at the end of the time it would automatically accept it unless you cancel it. If you do cancel it your body would expire and you'd be taken to the map screen.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 417	Posted - 2013.09.19 10:59:00 - [3] - Quote In one of the old builds there was a 'Suicide' option while you waiting to bleed out. All they need to do is bring it back.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3631	Posted - 2013.09.19 11:31:00 - [4] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: In one of the old builds there was a 'Suicide' option while you waiting to bleed out. All they need to do is bring it back. It's still there, but it's more rarely used. Whenever you select a spawn location in the respawn screen, it automatically kills your last clone.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 417	Posted - 2013.09.19 11:38:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Timothy Reaper wrote: In one of the old builds there was a 'Suicide' option while you waiting to bleed out. All they need to do is bring it back. It's still there, but it's more rarely used. Whenever you select a spawn location in the respawn screen, it automatically kills your last clone. True, but I've lost count of how many times I've been picked up before I could select a spawn location. Plus when I die in one suit I may need to switch to a different one, which allows more time for some idiot to pick me up in the middle of a fire fight. It would be nice to have a clone termination option as soon as you fall down.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 199	Posted - 2013.09.19 12:17:00 - [6] - Quote It's simple - the needle icon should only show up over your body if you push the call for help button. If you do not actively call for help, you should not be able to be revived, even if you died at a logi's feet with their needle already hanging out. Funny thing, I suggested this after they implemented the needle fix in 1.3 and got a huge backlash from other logis. I even posited that a player could be locked into an endless cycle of reviving/dying with no other way to break the cycle other than resetting (and that has happened). Now many people want a deny revive feature. Go figure.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6063	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:34:00 - [7] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: It's simple - the needle icon should only show up over your body if you push the call for help button. If you do not actively call for help, you should not be able to be revived, even if you died at a logi's feet with their needle already hanging out. Funny thing, I suggested this after they implemented the needle fix in 1.3 and got a huge backlash from other logis. I even posited that a player could be locked into an endless cycle of reviving/dying with no other way to break the cycle other than resetting (and that has happened). Now many people want a deny revive feature. Go figure. I think this is a good idea, though I prefer mine because it gives the player the freedom of when they want to get up, and freedom is good.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 368	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:22:00 - [8] - Quote if u hate the death so much then lets redesign the kd/r system... or make the nanite injector take away deaths...when picking some one up or only count the number of times u have respawned on the battle field.. and count those as deaths instead...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6072	Posted - 2013.09.20 15:28:00 - [9] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: if u hate the death so much then lets redesign the kd/r system... or make the nanite injector take away deaths...when picking some one up or only count the number of times u have respawned on the battle field.. and count those as deaths instead... I personally haven't had much issues with it happening to me, but it happens to many people. I also don't like that idea because it would make KDR less of a measure of individual skill, since revives removing death stats is basically allows for an outside source to inflate stats; not saying KDR is a perfect measure right now though.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 368	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:56:00 - [10] - Quote have a nice cool kdr is pretty to look at... but its sad that its the only thing players care about and it doesnt measure skill.. it just counts how many deaths u had and how many kills u have goten since u first started playing..it doesnt really involve any measurement of skill what so ever.. just take a look at the leader boards you can easily see that the top players on the leader boards on the kdr stats pretty much have no deaths with only around 10 kills and they get on top of the leader boards because of that? and then we have the farming for wp done by any1 who has a needle. this little kdr system needs to be redone.. deaths should count by lets say whenever your clone gets terminated in battle and have to respawn.. that should be a death. if u incapacitate an enemy player and they get back up by some random player sticking them with a needle it should only count as downing a player. this would make kdr it self. less of an annoying issue.. their is no way to measure skill level for pvp in any game. the only thing that can measure skill level could be pve but even then its easy to get around that.

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 403	Posted - 2013.09.20 19:20:00 - [11] - Quote Good news. This has been discussed over and over already + CCP reads everything = They don't care. (Now wait for a DEV to say: It's on the roadmap but currently not a priority.)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6092	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:47:00 - [12] - Quote Still want
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6119	Posted - 2013.09.22 21:52:00 - [13] - Quote Freedom to choose when you want to arise would be great.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6245	Posted - 2013.09.27 08:08:00 - [14] - Quote So one one else likes freedom? must just be a Minmatar thing...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6317	Posted - 2013.09.30 18:23:00 - [15] - Quote Do it
KrazyEyeKilla The Phalanx Inc 27	Posted - 2013.10.01 10:50:00 - [16] - Quote Agree with the OP. This needs to be looked at. Being revived constantly by a random in the middle of the firing line whilst being unable to do anything about it is daft.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6349	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:07:00 - [17] - Quote /me injects thread
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6414	Posted - 2013.10.05 06:52:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: /me injects thread /me does it again
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6532	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:32:00 - [19] - Quote Anyone else want?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6913	Posted - 2013.11.04 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Anyone else want? I do! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads Gû¦Gû+

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2089	Posted - 2013.11.04 23:57:00 - [21] - Quote I dunno. I think we should hold out on this at least until after shield bubbles have been introduced. I've already got my rapid-response revival fit ready: Logistics mk.0, shield bubble, revival stick, repper and triage nanohives. Heavies will be full replenished by the time bubble goes down (if it's as strong as I hope it will be), and ready to rain hell. Not to mention if shield bubbles deflect grenades... KHW make a thread on possible mechanics for shield bubbles plz. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7131	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:29:00 - [22] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I dunno. I think we should hold out on this at least until after shield bubbles have been introduced. I've already got my rapid-response revival fit ready: Logistics mk.0, shield bubble, revival stick, repper and triage nanohives. Heavies will be full replenished by the time bubble goes down (if it's as strong as I hope it will be), and ready to rain hell. Not to mention if shield bubbles deflect grenades... KHW make a thread on possible mechanics for shield bubbles plz. I don't see why we should hold off on this, there are no downsides. needle spam prevented Revived player can choose when to get up Logi still get WP no matter what, whether target chooses accept or deny The only ones who lose are those who want to purposely revive others in front of enemy shots to die just so they can inject them again for more points. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7349	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:59:00 - [23] - Quote I want! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Talos Vagheitan 277	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:25:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected. Logis also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless. Logis need to get war points regardless of even if the dying merc chooses to deny the injection. The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time. EDIT: The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive. To prevent abuse by WP boosters, selecting the deny option, or not selecting any option, should make you no longer injectable. The deny option specifically should automatically bleed you out. These are so a logi can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP. Disagree here. A lot of Logi's need to be smarter about reviving, but allowing a deny option would basically remove reviving from the game altogether. I posted a different solution a while back. Basically, -Give Logi's the +60 WP for reviving only if the revived player survives and additional 10 seconds after revive. -Have the higher end needles offer temporary damage resistance to make logi's more likely to use the good needles. We'd still encourage teamwork, and hopefully reduce pointhawk logi's suicide reviving you for an easy 60 pts. Who cares what some sniper has to say
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7357	Posted - 2013.12.08 23:18:00 - [25] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected. Logis also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless. Logis need to get war points regardless of even if the dying merc chooses to deny the injection. The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time. EDIT: The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive. To prevent abuse by WP boosters, selecting the deny option, or not selecting any option, should make you no longer injectable. The deny option specifically should automatically bleed you out. These are so a logi can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP. Disagree here. A lot of Logi's need to be smarter about reviving, but allowing a deny option would basically remove reviving from the game altogether. I posted a different solution a while back. Basically, -Give Logi's the +60 WP for reviving only if the revived player survives and additional 10 seconds after revive. -Have the higher end needles offer temporary damage resistance to make logi's more likely to use the good needles. We'd still encourage teamwork, and hopefully reduce pointhawk logi's suicide reviving you for an easy 60 pts. I don't see how that would stop remove revival from the game at all. I really don't understand. If there are no immediate dangers around, why would somoene choose to deny a revival? Especially when it prevents the financial loss that comes with destroyed dropsuits/items? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ninja Troll ELITE TROLLS 0	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:17:00 - [26] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Quote: ... We'd still encourage teamwork, and hopefully reduce pointhawk logi's suicide reviving you for an easy 60 pts. I don't see how that would stop remove revival from the game at all. I really don't understand. If there are no immediate dangers around, why would somoene choose to deny a revival? Especially when it prevents the financial loss that comes with destroyed dropsuits/items? It's gotten really bad in FW. Some jerk with a shotgun did it to me multiple times in a row! I was able to throw a flux grenade to distract him, then use the punish option. [/quote] Not 100% sure how the punish option works, since some guy killed me and I pressed it. But he was able to kill 3 other teammates and go hack a NULL cannon before being killed by a tank. I think he was removed after dying, but it should have been sooner.
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 17	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:32:00 - [27] - Quote This thread is revived.. and dead.. and revived.. lets get it one way or the other. I vote in favour of it. +1 op For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7978	Posted - 2014.01.10 16:25:00 - [28] - Quote Not urgent, but these revive changes should happen Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8347	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:29:00 - [29] - Quote I don't understand how this isn't more popular, especially considering how many complain about this issue. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1211	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:35:00 - [30] - Quote KAGEHOSHI, I know we disagree about some other things, but we most definitely agree on this one. Accept/deny is a standard feature of resurrection abilities on literally every other game ever. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 51	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:20:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected. Medics also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless. The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time. The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive. To prevent abuse by WP farmers, selecting the deny option should automatically bleed you out. If you have been injected and have selected neither accept or deny, then you should no longer be injectable. These are so a medic can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP. If we get to select whether to call for help or not the logibro's don't have to break their necks getting to us. If I don't call for help. Nothing shows up for super logibro to chase. Simple. If I want help I call out, and in comes the needles! I want. "Anybody order chaos?"
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 45	Posted - 2014.01.26 13:03:00 - [32] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: It's simple - the needle icon should only show up over your body if you push the call for help button. If you do not actively call for help, you should not be able to be revived, even if you died at a logi's feet with their needle already hanging out. Funny thing, I suggested this after they implemented the needle fix in 1.3 and got a huge backlash from other logis. I even posited that a player could be locked into an endless cycle of reviving/dying with no other way to break the cycle other than resetting (and that has happened). Now many people want a deny revive feature. Go figure. ^THIS^ In other words, make the already available "request help" button mandatory. That way, well meaning Logis won't have their time/suits wasted chasing phantom heals and dead clones won't have to be resurrected if they don't want to be. Solved.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8966	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:38:00 - [33] - Quote /me injects thread /me waits for thread to accept or deny Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9025	Posted - 2014.02.11 08:04:00 - [34] - Quote Options! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 83	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:35:00 - [35] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: In other words, make the already available "request help" button mandatory. That way, well meaning Logis won't have their time/suits wasted chasing phantom heals and dead clones won't have to be resurrected if they don't want to be. Solved. +1 absolutely, if I don't want to be revived in my depleted suit (equipment deployed, ammo gone, health low) then I should have the possibillity to get back on the field with a more fitting loadout. Many needle logis don't get that it's often more viable or even necessary to get back in a different loadout. I sometimes even run into enemy fire in those situations, to get back onto the battlefield faster, than it is possible with the suicide option. So give every player the option to call for help or get back in a fresh clone/suit. cheers
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9421	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:43:00 - [36] - Quote /me throws a rock at someone Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9843	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:41:00 - [37] - Quote pew Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 52	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:17:00 - [38] - Quote No. This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive... ... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost. You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits. And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9844	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:41:00 - [39] - Quote SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: No. This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive... ... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost. You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits. And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences. Revive farming someone in harm's way is a waste of resources; specifically time that could be used by the reviver and revivee for accomplishing something productive and useful for the team. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 52	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:46:00 - [40] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: No. This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive... ... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost. You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits. And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences. Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere. And you forget there are little kids that play this game... they suddenly want to kill off their clone because they feel like burning a suit just to switch it out, then they get killed and refuse medic support... another point to the red team. Remember that not all the people who play DUST and EVE are as intelligent as you and me. Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your protobear soul.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10011	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:50:00 - [41] - Quote SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: No. This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive... ... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost. You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits. And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences. Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere. And you forget there are little kids that play this game... they suddenly want to kill off their clone because they feel like burning a suit just to switch it out, then they get killed and refuse medic support... another point to the red team. Remember that not all the people who play DUST and EVE are as intelligent as you and me. In the battles that truly matter, you will be fighting with organized squads of corpmates, not idiot strangers. Also, guess I didn't edit my earlier post fast enough; I said "Revive farming someone in harm's way is a waste of resources; specifically time that could be used by the reviver and revivee for accomplishing something productive and useful for the team. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE." Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10011	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:57:00 - [42] - Quote I want Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 251	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:44:00 - [43] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected. Medics also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless. The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time. The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive. To prevent abuse by WP farmers, selecting the deny option should automatically bleed you out. If you have been injected and have selected neither accept or deny, then you should no longer be injectable. These are so a medic can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP. I want. You should be able to bleed out whenever you choose. You can't spawn on a mobile CRU unless you've bleed out, so almost no one uses them. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 36	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:45:00 - [44] - Quote Saying that people dont want to get revived cause of kdr is ****** logic. either they know they will die again straight away or cause spawning back where you want with full ammo and shields actually enables you to get back into fight better then revive. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:25:00 - [45] - Quote Still want. Bump. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:22:00 - [46] - Quote The best thing to do here is a timer for the WP. If the revived person don't service for one minute(or X seconds) the reviver don't gets the WP. This will make ppl use the naniteinjector more carefully and encourage logic to use the reptool immediately on the revived person. Making it a choice if you get revived or not is unrealistic (u r bleeding out you don't have a choice for anything ), it will end that nobody will request help to save his KDR, new players lose a way to earn WP ( because we all know militia AR is useless ).
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 70	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:20:00 - [47] - Quote It would be nice to be able to deny the pick up and have your fitting spared deletion thus giving the medic well earned war points maybe 50 instead of 60. I don't even know why I bother.
Nekrokult Valor Coalition Red Whines. 39	Posted - 2014.04.02 10:38:00 - [48] - Quote Like said before, this subject keeps coming and going, but it is still valid to me, GÇ£Accept/DenyGÇ¥ should be implemented. Regarding WP I would prefer a 3 phase system: Clone gets injected successfully: 20 WP Clone accepts the revive: 20 WP Clone stays alive for a set time (letGÇÖs say 10 seconds): 20 WP
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 95	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:34:00 - [49] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CLONE117 wrote: if u hate the death so much then lets redesign the kd/r system... or make the nanite injector take away deaths...when picking some one up or only count the number of times u have respawned on the battle field.. and count those as deaths instead... I personally haven't had much issues with it happening to me, but it happens to many people. I also don't like that idea because it would make KDR less of a measure of individual skill, since revives removing death stats is basically allows for an outside source to inflate stats; not saying KDR is a perfect measure right now though. There are some mercs who play only for their KDR, tough match they leave or wander around in the background,so KDR can and is already manipulated. It hurts the team when the going gets hairy and your slayers disappear leaving the rest of the team to fight on, then we have to here about how high great their stats are.I'll take an average player who is willing to fight when it hits the fan any day over the fair weather merc who doesn't want to get his suit dirty.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:00:00 - [50] - Quote Nekrokult wrote: Like said before, this subject keeps coming and going, but it is still valid to me, GÇ£Accept/DenyGÇ¥ should be implemented. Regarding WP I would prefer a 3 phase system: Clone gets injected successfully: 20 WP Clone accepts the revive: 20 WP Clone stays alive for a set time (letGÇÖs say 10 seconds): 20 WP Almost. The time required for this process would not be practical in a combat situation. Rather, the default of having to actually request a revive would be much more efficient. For a downed clone who didn't want revival, there would be nothing for them to do and a LogiBro's time/effort would not be effected. The downed player should also experience a faster bleed-out so they might get to a (now slower) respawn faster. For a downed clone who did want a revival (and who should have a much better idea of their immediate environment), they would simply click 'revive' and a LogiBro would know that to be a valid request and would make a concerted effort to provide expedited support - ideally, both injector and rep tool. In this scenario, WPs might not need to change much. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2014.05.17 22:22:00 - [51] - Quote Bump. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.


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