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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:20:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected.
Medics also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless.
The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time.
The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive.
To prevent abuse by WP farmers, selecting the deny option should automatically bleed you out. If you have been injected and have selected neither accept or deny, then you should no longer be injectable. These are so a medic can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP.
If we get to select whether to call for help or not the logibro's don't have to break their necks getting to us. If I don't call for help. Nothing shows up for super logibro to chase. Simple. If I want help I call out, and in comes the needles! I want.
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
45
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:03:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:It's simple - the needle icon should only show up over your body if you push the call for help button. If you do not actively call for help, you should not be able to be revived, even if you died at a logi's feet with their needle already hanging out.
Funny thing, I suggested this after they implemented the needle fix in 1.3 and got a huge backlash from other logis. I even posited that a player could be locked into an endless cycle of reviving/dying with no other way to break the cycle other than resetting (and that has happened). Now many people want a deny revive feature. Go figure.
^THIS^
In other words, make the already available "request help" button mandatory. That way, well meaning Logis won't have their time/suits wasted chasing phantom heals and dead clones won't have to be resurrected if they don't want to be. Solved. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:38:00 -
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/me injects thread /me waits for thread to accept or deny
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.11 08:04:00 -
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Options!
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
83
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Posted - 2014.02.11 14:35:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote: In other words, make the already available "request help" button mandatory. That way, well meaning Logis won't have their time/suits wasted chasing phantom heals and dead clones won't have to be resurrected if they don't want to be. Solved.
+1 absolutely, if I don't want to be revived in my depleted suit (equipment deployed, ammo gone, health low) then I should have the possibillity to get back on the field with a more fitting loadout.
Many needle logis don't get that it's often more viable or even necessary to get back in a different loadout. I sometimes even run into enemy fire in those situations, to get back onto the battlefield faster, than it is possible with the suicide option.
So give every player the option to call for help or get back in a fresh clone/suit.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.19 23:43:00 -
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/me throws a rock at someone
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9843
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Posted - 2014.03.08 22:41:00 -
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pew
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SGTFunyoun THEFIRST
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:17:00 -
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No.
This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive...
... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost.
You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle.
This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits.
And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9844
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:41:00 -
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SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote:No.
This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive...
... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost.
You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle.
This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits.
And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences.
Revive farming someone in harm's way is a waste of resources; specifically time that could be used by the reviver and revivee for accomplishing something productive and useful for the team. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE.
Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere.
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SGTFunyoun THEFIRST
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:46:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote:No.
This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive...
... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost.
You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle.
This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits.
And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences. Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere.
And you forget there are little kids that play this game... they suddenly want to kill off their clone because they feel like burning a suit just to switch it out, then they get killed and refuse medic support... another point to the red team.
Remember that not all the people who play DUST and EVE are as intelligent as you and me.
Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your protobear soul.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10011
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:50:00 -
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SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote:No.
This would absolutley destroy a team in Ambush... you know, the game mode where you have to kill off as many clones as possible. Everytime you said no to a revive...
... you would be forcing one more dead clone on your team. YOU would be the entire reason your team just lost.
You, because you want to use the death mechanic to switch suits... would be forcing your team to lose that battle.
This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE. You don't get to keep your fit and just respwan back as it again and again, you lose all of your stuff on that fitting. It gets burned up when the nanites lose signal. So you keep refusing medics, you eventually run out of suits.
And CCP just nerfed the ability for EVE corps to fund your war suits by giving you isk form eve. So now you can't even associate with your corp except to ask for a bombardment... which is idiotic because CCP wanted this game to be fully integrated with EVE and they took out one of the primary things that made the two games integrated. Now it is just another first person shooter with some extra lore and a single ability that no one else has. BS Its generally in people's best interest to be revived to save their fittings, players would only be inclined to deny a revive if they are going to be revived in harm's way; that would still lead to the clone being lost anyway because the enemy will just shoot and kill the revived clone again. If someone wants to waste their fittings irresponsibly by declining when they should accept, then it should be their choice to do so, and they will suffer the financial consequences. Take your off topic rant on EVE corp funds elsewhere. And you forget there are little kids that play this game... they suddenly want to kill off their clone because they feel like burning a suit just to switch it out, then they get killed and refuse medic support... another point to the red team. Remember that not all the people who play DUST and EVE are as intelligent as you and me. In the battles that truly matter, you will be fighting with organized squads of corpmates, not idiot strangers.
Also, guess I didn't edit my earlier post fast enough; I said "Revive farming someone in harm's way is a waste of resources; specifically time that could be used by the reviver and revivee for accomplishing something productive and useful for the team. There ARE NO INFINITE RESOURCES IN HERE."
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10011
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:57:00 -
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I want
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
251
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:44:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Some people complain about being unable to decline revives, and understandably so; you could be just about to select your respawn location, and then suddenly get injected back to life right in the middle of a fire fight only to die again. Accept/deny options are needed for when being injected.
Medics also need to know that risking their lives to revive someone won't be for nothing simply because someone selected deny, so they must be rewarded regardless.
The option to accept/deny should not disappear until the bleedout timer hits 0. This way mercs in the bleedout state would be in control of if and when they want to revive instead of springing back up at an inconvenient time.
The injection should add 5 seconds to the bleedout timer to give the downed player time to decide to accept or deny the revive.
To prevent abuse by WP farmers, selecting the deny option should automatically bleed you out. If you have been injected and have selected neither accept or deny, then you should no longer be injectable. These are so a medic can't just keep injecting your dying body to get more and more WP.
I want.
You should be able to bleed out whenever you choose. You can't spawn on a mobile CRU unless you've bleed out, so almost no one uses them.
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SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:45:00 -
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Saying that people dont want to get revived cause of kdr is ****** logic. either they know they will die again straight away or cause spawning back where you want with full ammo and shields actually enables you to get back into fight better then revive.
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages.
Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.04.01 17:25:00 -
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Still want. Bump.
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Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2014.04.02 03:22:00 -
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The best thing to do here is a timer for the WP. If the revived person don't service for one minute(or X seconds) the reviver don't gets the WP. This will make ppl use the naniteinjector more carefully and encourage logic to use the reptool immediately on the revived person. Making it a choice if you get revived or not is unrealistic (u r bleeding out you don't have a choice for anything ), it will end that nobody will request help to save his KDR, new players lose a way to earn WP ( because we all know militia AR is useless ). |
Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
70
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Posted - 2014.04.02 05:20:00 -
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It would be nice to be able to deny the pick up and have your fitting spared deletion thus giving the medic well earned war points maybe 50 instead of 60.
I don't even know why I bother.
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Nekrokult
Valor Coalition Red Whines.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:38:00 -
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Like said before, this subject keeps coming and going, but it is still valid to me, GÇ£Accept/DenyGÇ¥ should be implemented.
Regarding WP I would prefer a 3 phase system: Clone gets injected successfully: 20 WP Clone accepts the revive: 20 WP Clone stays alive for a set time (letGÇÖs say 10 seconds): 20 WP
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SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:34:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:CLONE117 wrote:if u hate the death so much then lets redesign the kd/r system... or make the nanite injector take away deaths...when picking some one up or only count the number of times u have respawned on the battle field.. and count those as deaths instead... I personally haven't had much issues with it happening to me, but it happens to many people. I also don't like that idea because it would make KDR less of a measure of individual skill, since revives removing death stats is basically allows for an outside source to inflate stats; not saying KDR is a perfect measure right now though. There are some mercs who play only for their KDR, tough match they leave or wander around in the background,so KDR can and is already manipulated. It hurts the team when the going gets hairy and your slayers disappear leaving the rest of the team to fight on, then we have to here about how high great their stats are.I'll take an average player who is willing to fight when it hits the fan any day over the fair weather merc who doesn't want to get his suit dirty. |
bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:00:00 -
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Nekrokult wrote:Like said before, this subject keeps coming and going, but it is still valid to me, GÇ£Accept/DenyGÇ¥ should be implemented.
Regarding WP I would prefer a 3 phase system: Clone gets injected successfully: 20 WP Clone accepts the revive: 20 WP Clone stays alive for a set time (letGÇÖs say 10 seconds): 20 WP
Almost. The time required for this process would not be practical in a combat situation. Rather, the default of having to actually request a revive would be much more efficient. For a downed clone who didn't want revival, there would be nothing for them to do and a LogiBro's time/effort would not be effected. The downed player should also experience a faster bleed-out so they might get to a (now slower) respawn faster. For a downed clone who did want a revival (and who should have a much better idea of their immediate environment), they would simply click 'revive' and a LogiBro would know that to be a valid request and would make a concerted effort to provide expedited support - ideally, both injector and rep tool. In this scenario, WPs might not need to change much.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:22:00 -
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Bump.
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