If we are going with teamwork is OP idea

Then why not combine this with the other complaints and give a mode that does all of the following

No Squads, No OB, No Vehicles, Militia Only. We could call the game mode Cordial Operating District.

That is like 5 birds with one stone while the rest of us duke it out in low sec

Teamwork OP


^This applies to Dust also.

Im now facefisting at this post good ol leuky is crying about team work af@#kingen ,wow you really dont like running on a squad in a team based game. Can you even understand what part of that sentence implies you should be on squad. You really are in the wrong game I really do think you should just biomass yourself give up and go play cod. Please for the love of god and all thats sacred just biomass yourself and go . No one will miss you I promise.

You heard it here, first, folks: DJINN Luek thinks teamwork is OP and orbitals kill his dropsuit too fast.

Orbitals for the winning team make no sense. The losing team would call in what is essentially artillery support to try and get a leg up. The winning team using it is just a troll feature.

The rich get richer and the poor stay poor. That is how EVE works too and it why CCP can't build a player base beyond a core group of regulars with temp players filtering in for a little while.

The problem is also proto gear. You'll see squads that are working together with blueberries joining in and putting up a good, organized fight only to lose due to simply being shot down quicker and therefore the respawn time keeping the numbers down long enough for the other proto team to overcome a position.

I said it before and will keep on saying it:

Variety and versatility should win over sheer gear power. Forget module power and simply allow for what roles a suit can fulfill.

You can win based on basic infantry assault overpowering an opponent or you can win on strategy with support roles.

Atm it is still a basic proto stomp element that wins games. Everyone else ends up being carried until they can get to the proto gear stage.

If we are going with teamwork is OP idea

Then why not combine this with the other complaints and give a mode that does all of the following

No Squads, No OB, No Vehicles, Militia Only. We could call the game mode Cordial Operating District.

That is like 5 birds with one stone while the rest of us duke it out in low sec

We could call it "Plain Vanilla Cake Mode"

No no, no

C ordial
O perating
D istrict

is much better

= Dust iWin button.

Something really needs to be done about squads in pub matches. Yes this is a team-based game, I get it, but you know even if I am playing solo I still try to play as a team-player. Most others do as well from what I have noticed. But as soon as a 6 (or less) organized squad enters the other team, all hell breaks loose and a once balanced match turns into a mass suicide mission.

Players who use the defense that this is a team-based game, should be thrilled at the aspect of squad-free modes, which means if they decide to squad-up they will only face other organized squads of equal skill. But realistically they just want easy kills, so they try to keep it as it is now.

OB's also add insult to injury in the case of squads vs no squads, IMO the requirement for OB's need to increase dramatically, especially since the WP requirement hasn't changed from the 4-player squads of Chromosome to the now 6-player squads. I think the majority of my deaths tonight came from being OB'ed just because I happened to be near the blob of blues when one went off. Or even worse is spawning at the default spawn only to get rained on by a OP OB strike mere seconds after spawning.

The most fun and balanced matches come from 100% random vs 100% random, or squads vs squads (somewhat equal in skill), but putting squads of organized players with mics into matches vs mostly randoms greatly unbalances matches.

The new MM has been used and tested out, which still equates in squad domination. So can we PLEASE consider squad-free modes CCP?

The point is not that teamwork is OP. Rather, all present game modes give artificial bonuses for playing in a five or six man squad over and above any teamwork, namely:

1. Squad WP pooled for OBs, whereas solo player WP is not pooled and is therefore almost always wasted (<5% of players hit 2500WP solo regularly).
2. Extra WP (defend circle jerk), which exacerbates point 1 and also provides a little extra SP and ISK.
3. Vision shared with squad, whereas solo players are 'flying blind'.

None of these points reflects any plausible battlefield considerations. Why would war barge gunners only fire when a squad amassed a certain amount of WP? Why is your kill considered more valuable when the squad has been told to defend you? Why would the dropsuit sensors be hardwired to deny intel to non-squad friendlies?

Furthermore, none of these points concerns 'teamwork'. You don't need to communicate with your squad to get any of these bonuses, or even pay any attention to what they are doing. If your squad's teamwork is so great, why do you need all these non-teamwork bonuses in every gamemode?

I squad most of the time, and prefer to play the game that way. OBs are cool and I can't think of a better way of rewarding them. But I can't see what harm there is in also having a squadless option. Call it Gun Game Mode. Sometimes I don't have the time to make a squad and want a few quick games without landing in pubstomp after pubstomp. More importantly, new players usually don't have the choice of making a squad with competent players. You already have 10-20 times their SP, do you really need OBs and squad vision to beat them?

Teamwork OP


^This applies to Dust also.

the proto suits and vehicles is not the problem, it's the squads. 2 to 3 squads on one side is just wrong. makes for a boring match. no harm in making a solo mode.

You heard it here, first, folks: DJINN Luek thinks teamwork is OP and orbitals kill his dropsuit too fast.

Teamwork is so op. I was curious to why they had a big battle map on the war barge that could not be interacted with and a person in my squad told me it used to be interactive but they removed that aspect because it gave an "unfair" advantage to experienced players. CCP seriously nerfed teamwork this is a team based game keep it the way it is it gives incentive for blueberries to join squads.

We should also remove aiming while we're at it. Core mechanics that have a chance to defeat me seriously ought to be taken out of the game.

I usually play by myself and get an average of 2500 wp.

AVERAGE.

It's not that hard to earn an orbital by yourself.
Then again, I do agree with what you're saying.

However, teamwork isn't OP...it's the fact that no teamwork is UP
Especially when Logistics have an even harder time finding players to help.

Give a man a fish, and he's going to beg for a game mode where you hand him fish all day. Teach a man to fish like the other men, and you can all go fishing together.



Instead of making it easier to suck at Dust 514 (ie: not be in a corporation, not use a mic, not play in squads), why don't CCP just create a new player experience that shows people how to do the basic important stuff like add user channels, how to join corporations, how to create squads outside of matches, etc?

Furthermore, why isn't there also something that tells people WHY they should be doing these things? Do CCP just not understand their own game well enough to explain it to others? What's the hold up? Do they just not think that explaining all this stuff is important? Do they think most people search the web for detailed information about free game they download?

This stuff needs to be part of the core new user experience or the majority of players are going to continue to boot the game up and run solo without a mic, and then wonder why they get their ****'s smashed in. If you don't show someone what makes Dust 514 special (corporations, squad cooperation, player specialization and synergy, etc), most won't figure it out for themselves before deleting the game off their hard drives. You literally have to either accidentally stumble across someone in-game who explains it to you, or you have to search out the game online for yourself.


The game doesn't have a large enough player base to add yet another game mode for people who don't want to play the game the way it was designed and balanced to be played. Just show people why they should be in squads and corporations, and then make it easy for them to get into squads and corporations.


You don't fix a problem by making the problem the status quo.