So, last week I started asking all of my facebook friends if I should cut my hair (I have hair down to the middle of my back). I was planning on getting a mohawk but keeping the length because I like extreme hairstyles and I figured since I didn't like cleaning and maintaining it because of the difficulties, I'd see what my friends thought. They all said not to do it.

Welp, I find it interesting that yesterday I posted up on facebook that I was going to go ahead and do it anyway because they weren't the ones who had to deal with it all the time - all of a sudden everyone thought it was a good idea and told me to go for it.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Tactical Assault Rifle
- Too OP, according to people on forums.
- Nerfed to hell, never used again, people complain about it being under powered.
- Scopes on all Rifles replaced with terrible iron sights.
- Made a return in Uprising, stats buffed, given a scope, people complained because it was too OP.
- Nerfed again (after three weeks no less) because people complained.

Grenades (non-contact)
- Worked just fine. Someone said they should change them in IRC, CCP did it.
- Changed so that they fuse starts after it hits the ground and on a two second fuse. People complain.
- Nerfed the timer on the fuse, but retained it's "no timer until it hits the ground" BS.

Grenades (contact)
- Pay-to-win option only on first conception.
- Splash range reduced. Wasn't good enough.
- Removed from market completely.
- Made a comeback, was still a pay-to-win option but CCP played it off that the Prototype was an ISK option despite it having a smaller splash radius.
- Homogenized so that they all did the same range/damage and you can only carry one, but retained prices, making the advanced variant useless.
- Advanced option removed from the market.
- Some semblance of balance finally achieved.

Laser Rifles
- Skills at the time were absolutely broken and neither of them had any effect on the gun. Still believed to be OP because of damage mods.
- Nerfed (to hell) via skill application changes, removal of zoom effect, change to iron sights, very slow aim speed and damage build.
- Buffed by adding a red-dot scope, slight zoom effect and faster aim speed.

So now we're looking at Aim Assist. Which is hilarious to me.

All anyone did was *****, complain and moan that they couldn't aim, the aiming system was too slippery, it was too hard to use and how it wasn't like other games, blah blah blah blah.

Now that it's "fixed" everyone is complaining that they aim too well and how it's like an aim bot.

Am I the only one who thinks this absolutely INSANE? You got EXACTLY what you wanted! The aiming system is barely any different than Call of Duty and you can butterfly aim much in the same way - so why is it such an issue now? I mean, for real people MAKE UP YOUR MINDS on what you want and stop having CCP change things unnecessarily when they could be working on something else! I'm sure CCP Wolfman hates all of you just from having to go back and change all of the weapons all the time because of forum bitching.

Just. Stop. Make up your minds, come to a conclusion on what the game actually needs and stick with it - don't turn around on your decisions because you're suddenly getting killed a lot - it's a shooter, you're supposed to die.

Only noobs complained they couldn't aim the system was workable... the hit registry when you did aim right however....


The problem isn't aim assist... that concept is noble and should be implemented... CCP has built a "aim for you" aim assist and this is a massive problem because that isn't an aim assist... anything that aim's for you is a massive problem in a FPS..... This means the aim assist they built is fundamentally wrong and broken yet again... CCP screwed up again and wasted man hours again, and is gonna leave aim assist being a joke the FPS comunity snickers about or turn it off again until they can re do it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y Make sure you goto 1.30 and really watch it through.

Sir, I would want to like your thread twice, but for some reason I can't...

So, last week I started asking all of my facebook friends if I should cut my hair (I have hair down to the middle of my back). I was planning on getting a mohawk but keeping the length because I like extreme hairstyles and I figured since I didn't like cleaning and maintaining it because of the difficulties, I'd see what my friends thought. They all said not to do it.

Welp, I find it interesting that yesterday I posted up on facebook that I was going to go ahead and do it anyway because they weren't the ones who had to deal with it all the time - all of a sudden everyone thought it was a good idea and told me to go for it.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Tactical Assault Rifle
- Too OP, according to people on forums.
- Nerfed to hell, never used again, people complain about it being under powered.
- Scopes on all Rifles replaced with terrible iron sights.
- Made a return in Uprising, stats buffed, given a scope, people complained because it was too OP.
- Nerfed again (after three weeks no less) because people complained.

Grenades (non-contact)
- Worked just fine. Someone said they should change them in IRC, CCP did it.
- Changed so that they fuse starts after it hits the ground and on a two second fuse. People complain.
- Nerfed the timer on the fuse, but retained it's "no timer until it hits the ground" BS.

Grenades (contact)
- Pay-to-win option only on first conception.
- Splash range reduced. Wasn't good enough.
- Removed from market completely.
- Made a comeback, was still a pay-to-win option but CCP played it off that the Prototype was an ISK option despite it having a smaller splash radius.
- Homogenized so that they all did the same range/damage and you can only carry one, but retained prices, making the advanced variant useless.
- Advanced option removed from the market.
- Some semblance of balance finally achieved.

Laser Rifles
- Skills at the time were absolutely broken and neither of them had any effect on the gun. Still believed to be OP because of damage mods.
- Nerfed (to hell) via skill application changes, removal of zoom effect, change to iron sights, very slow aim speed and damage build.
- Buffed by adding a red-dot scope, slight zoom effect and faster aim speed.

So now we're looking at Aim Assist. Which is hilarious to me.

All anyone did was *****, complain and moan that they couldn't aim, the aiming system was too slippery, it was too hard to use and how it wasn't like other games, blah blah blah blah.

Now that it's "fixed" everyone is complaining that they aim too well and how it's like an aim bot.

Am I the only one who thinks this absolutely INSANE? You got EXACTLY what you wanted! The aiming system is barely any different than Call of Duty and you can butterfly aim much in the same way - so why is it such an issue now? I mean, for real people MAKE UP YOUR MINDS on what you want and stop having CCP change things unnecessarily when they could be working on something else! I'm sure CCP Wolfman hates all of you just from having to go back and change all of the weapons all the time because of forum bitching.

Just. Stop. Make up your minds, come to a conclusion on what the game actually needs and stick with it - don't turn around on your decisions because you're suddenly getting killed a lot - it's a shooter, you're supposed to die.

So, last week I started asking all of my facebook friends if I should cut my hair (I have hair down to the middle of my back). I was planning on getting a mohawk but keeping the length because I like extreme hairstyles and I figured since I didn't like cleaning and maintaining it because of the difficulties, I'd see what my friends thought. They all said not to do it.

Welp, I find it interesting that yesterday I posted up on facebook that I was going to go ahead and do it anyway because they weren't the ones who had to deal with it all the time - all of a sudden everyone thought it was a good idea and told me to go for it.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Tactical Assault Rifle
- Too OP, according to people on forums.
- Nerfed to hell, never used again, people complain about it being under powered.
- Scopes on all Rifles replaced with terrible iron sights.
- Made a return in Uprising, stats buffed, given a scope, people complained because it was too OP.
- Nerfed again (after three weeks no less) because people complained.

Grenades (non-contact)
- Worked just fine. Someone said they should change them in IRC, CCP did it.
- Changed so that they fuse starts after it hits the ground and on a two second fuse. People complain.
- Nerfed the timer on the fuse, but retained it's "no timer until it hits the ground" BS.

Grenades (contact)
- Pay-to-win option only on first conception.
- Splash range reduced. Wasn't good enough.
- Removed from market completely.
- Made a comeback, was still a pay-to-win option but CCP played it off that the Prototype was an ISK option despite it having a smaller splash radius.
- Homogenized so that they all did the same range/damage and you can only carry one, but retained prices, making the advanced variant useless.
- Advanced option removed from the market.
- Some semblance of balance finally achieved.

Laser Rifles
- Skills at the time were absolutely broken and neither of them had any effect on the gun. Still believed to be OP because of damage mods.
- Nerfed (to hell) via skill application changes, removal of zoom effect, change to iron sights, very slow aim speed and damage build.
- Buffed by adding a red-dot scope, slight zoom effect and faster aim speed.

So now we're looking at Aim Assist. Which is hilarious to me.

All anyone did was *****, complain and moan that they couldn't aim, the aiming system was too slippery, it was too hard to use and how it wasn't like other games, blah blah blah blah.

Now that it's "fixed" everyone is complaining that they aim too well and how it's like an aim bot.

Am I the only one who thinks this absolutely INSANE? You got EXACTLY what you wanted! The aiming system is barely any different than Call of Duty and you can butterfly aim much in the same way - so why is it such an issue now? I mean, for real people MAKE UP YOUR MINDS on what you want and stop having CCP change things unnecessarily when they could be working on something else! I'm sure CCP Wolfman hates all of you just from having to go back and change all of the weapons all the time because of forum bitching.

Just. Stop. Make up your minds, come to a conclusion on what the game actually needs and stick with it - don't turn around on your decisions because you're suddenly getting killed a lot - it's a shooter, you're supposed to die.

You have to agree, the laser is in a good place, sometimes you need to loose what you have to see what you need! The aim assist doesnt snap however it does actively help aiming, but really its not THAT bad.

You cant deny weapons need to be looked at now hit detection is fixed, but really we are closer to that AAA shooter sweet spot than we have ever been, were almost there!!

If a 5,000 person playerbase can't agree on anything, how do you expect DUST to ever get headed into the right direction? This game is f*cked on both ends. Either CCP needs to tell people to STFU and deal with it, or the playerbase needs to start agreeing on basic things...

So, last week I started asking all of my facebook friends if I should cut my hair (I have hair down to the middle of my back). I was planning on getting a mohawk but keeping the length because I like extreme hairstyles and I figured since I didn't like cleaning and maintaining it because of the difficulties, I'd see what my friends thought. They all said not to do it.

Welp, I find it interesting that yesterday I posted up on facebook that I was going to go ahead and do it anyway because they weren't the ones who had to deal with it all the time - all of a sudden everyone thought it was a good idea and told me to go for it.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Tactical Assault Rifle
- Too OP, according to people on forums.
- Nerfed to hell, never used again, people complain about it being under powered.
- Scopes on all Rifles replaced with terrible iron sights.
- Made a return in Uprising, stats buffed, given a scope, people complained because it was too OP.
- Nerfed again (after three weeks no less) because people complained.

Grenades (non-contact)
- Worked just fine. Someone said they should change them in IRC, CCP did it.
- Changed so that they fuse starts after it hits the ground and on a two second fuse. People complain.
- Nerfed the timer on the fuse, but retained it's "no timer until it hits the ground" BS.

Grenades (contact)
- Pay-to-win option only on first conception.
- Splash range reduced. Wasn't good enough.
- Removed from market completely.
- Made a comeback, was still a pay-to-win option but CCP played it off that the Prototype was an ISK option despite it having a smaller splash radius.
- Homogenized so that they all did the same range/damage and you can only carry one, but retained prices, making the advanced variant useless.
- Advanced option removed from the market.
- Some semblance of balance finally achieved.

Laser Rifles
- Skills at the time were absolutely broken and neither of them had any effect on the gun. Still believed to be OP because of damage mods.
- Nerfed (to hell) via skill application changes, removal of zoom effect, change to iron sights, very slow aim speed and damage build.
- Buffed by adding a red-dot scope, slight zoom effect and faster aim speed.

So now we're looking at Aim Assist. Which is hilarious to me.

All anyone did was *****, complain and moan that they couldn't aim, the aiming system was too slippery, it was too hard to use and how it wasn't like other games, blah blah blah blah.

Now that it's "fixed" everyone is complaining that they aim too well and how it's like an aim bot.

Am I the only one who thinks this absolutely INSANE? You got EXACTLY what you wanted! The aiming system is barely any different than Call of Duty and you can butterfly aim much in the same way - so why is it such an issue now? I mean, for real people MAKE UP YOUR MINDS on what you want and stop having CCP change things unnecessarily when they could be working on something else! I'm sure CCP Wolfman hates all of you just from having to go back and change all of the weapons all the time because of forum bitching.

Just. Stop. Make up your minds, come to a conclusion on what the game actually needs and stick with it - don't turn around on your decisions because you're suddenly getting killed a lot - it's a shooter, you're supposed to die.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Examples

I would hope CCP take most of what we say with a pinch of salt. However, I can't see how they can try stuff out for themselves. Even with the server in VIP mode, how many mercs do they get into a battle, for how long, with enough playstyle variety for them to draw meaningful conclusions? Or perhaps that's not what VIP mode is for.

I think it's great that we get to give feedback. But that should be all it is. I had a thought earlier that some of us lot should be involved in some play-testing in VIP mode or something. But I don't see how that would change our feedback from getting let loose on it for real. Because I want my scout to be better, and someone else wants their heavy to be better. Aside from this natural bias that influences any feedback, neither one of us can determine whether anything we don't normally do is balanced or not.

And how the hell you choose who gets to do that is beyond me - we have a CPM some of whose actions and representations are dubious, and they were hand-picked based on reputation. I don't know if I could be objective enough to provide balanced feedback if I were to play-test.

Pulling some numbers out of thin air, if 80% of the player base use assault rifles, and most of them are (it's human nature) gonna want to kill better, then they're going to look for weaknesses in the AR and want it buffed. This is not balanced feedback, and is further skewed because you've already got a higher volume of buff suggestions simply because 4 out of 5 mercs aren't gonna say anything different. I'm sure there's a statistical term for this skewing.

So are there any answers? I dunno - test servers have been mentioned in the past, but not sure if they're feasible or if they'd even solve anything, short of fragmenting the player base. But basing balance decisions off of metrics must surely be skewed due to the flavour-of-the-month effect - we basically change our loadouts and styles when a release drops, so can you really compare apples to apples?

I just put 3 levels into dampening, because I was getting scanned to crap. So I already became incomparable to previous battles :)

Two penneth.

You have to agree, the laser is in a good place, sometimes you need to loose what you have to see what you need! The aim assist doesnt snap however it does actively help aiming, but really its not THAT bad.

You cant deny weapons need to be looked at now hit detection is fixed, but really we are closer to that AAA shooter sweet spot than we have ever been, were almost there!!

"laser in a good place".....lol!!

Basic AR versus proto AR : more damage per bullet, more range, more acuracy,


Basic laser 17 per bullet , range 84m
Proto laser 17 per bullet, range 84m

And the protolaser with 225 feedback damage lets you see Tech Ohm suicided.....lol!!

Duvolle AR OUTRANGES the proto viziam laser....lol!!

So WHAT EXACTLY OR WHERE is the laser in a good place??

Hit detection has improved a lot to the point where aim assist is just a bad joke (it was in the first place!). It's well known that CCP put in AA to entice new players and that's it. It's a harsh universe and most n00bs can't take it so they QQ everywhere, rage quit and scream their little hearts out to all their CoD/ BF friends about DUST being too hard blah blah blah.

Lose the AA, enable friendly fire and remove the training wheels from this game.

FF enabled will make mercs a lot more tactical with their MD/ AR/ 'nade spam. Can't all pile into a room shooting if you are hitting your team mates in the back as you go. Bad manners for a start

So, last week I started asking all of my facebook friends if I should cut my hair (I have hair down to the middle of my back). I was planning on getting a mohawk but keeping the length because I like extreme hairstyles and I figured since I didn't like cleaning and maintaining it because of the difficulties, I'd see what my friends thought. They all said not to do it.

Welp, I find it interesting that yesterday I posted up on facebook that I was going to go ahead and do it anyway because they weren't the ones who had to deal with it all the time - all of a sudden everyone thought it was a good idea and told me to go for it.

Moral of the story? People are indecisive. I've been playing since beta started and I've seen a multitude of stupid changes occur because of the people on the forums - rather, YOU. Here's some examples.

Tactical Assault Rifle
- Too OP, according to people on forums.
- Nerfed to hell, never used again, people complain about it being under powered.
- Scopes on all Rifles replaced with terrible iron sights.
- Made a return in Uprising, stats buffed, given a scope, people complained because it was too OP.
- Nerfed again (after three weeks no less) because people complained.

Grenades (non-contact)
- Worked just fine. Someone said they should change them in IRC, CCP did it.
- Changed so that they fuse starts after it hits the ground and on a two second fuse. People complain.
- Nerfed the timer on the fuse, but retained it's "no timer until it hits the ground" BS.

Grenades (contact)
- Pay-to-win option only on first conception.
- Splash range reduced. Wasn't good enough.
- Removed from market completely.
- Made a comeback, was still a pay-to-win option but CCP played it off that the Prototype was an ISK option despite it having a smaller splash radius.
- Homogenized so that they all did the same range/damage and you can only carry one, but retained prices, making the advanced variant useless.
- Advanced option removed from the market.
- Some semblance of balance finally achieved.

Laser Rifles
- Skills at the time were absolutely broken and neither of them had any effect on the gun. Still believed to be OP because of damage mods.
- Nerfed (to hell) via skill application changes, removal of zoom effect, change to iron sights, very slow aim speed and damage build.
- Buffed by adding a red-dot scope, slight zoom effect and faster aim speed.

So now we're looking at Aim Assist. Which is hilarious to me.

All anyone did was *****, complain and moan that they couldn't aim, the aiming system was too slippery, it was too hard to use and how it wasn't like other games, blah blah blah blah.

Now that it's "fixed" everyone is complaining that they aim too well and how it's like an aim bot.

Am I the only one who thinks this absolutely INSANE? You got EXACTLY what you wanted! The aiming system is barely any different than Call of Duty and you can butterfly aim much in the same way - so why is it such an issue now? I mean, for real people MAKE UP YOUR MINDS on what you want and stop having CCP change things unnecessarily when they could be working on something else! I'm sure CCP Wolfman hates all of you just from having to go back and change all of the weapons all the time because of forum bitching.

Just. Stop. Make up your minds, come to a conclusion on what the game actually needs and stick with it - don't turn around on your decisions because you're suddenly getting killed a lot - it's a shooter, you're supposed to die.

The people on the forums don't speak for the entire player base there will always be segregated groups in the community. Sadly I have noticed the more CCP trys to fix things the more they get broken no one had a problem with Chromosome aiming with out aim assist then when they started adding aim assist and changing aiming it all got completely broken. No one asked for aiming changes and the funniest part was CCP was the one who original broke aiming then stated they had major improvements for aiming in the upcoming patches after they originally broke it. So it is CCP who is going in circles not entirely the small community on the forums.

Also you just hit me with core locus grenade right before down time ****... lol gg