How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively.

Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw.

When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken.

How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively.

Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw.

When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken.

It's not a bug, it's a play style. The limit is for each individual peice of equipment, not all equipment. Your bias is getting in the way of your ability to read, bub.

You guys didn't understand.

This glitch allows you to exceed the deployable equipment limit. You can drop 10, 20, 50 nanohives, uplinks or whatever you want by doing that.

The OP is not talking about restock...

You guys didn't understand.

This glitch allows you to exceed the deployable equipment limit. You can drop 10, 20, 50 nanohives, uplinks or whatever you want by doing that.

The OP is not talking about restock...

Attn: CCP Logibro

Please explain why this thread was on your report this week. If you limit equipment use in this game, you are no logibro of mine. Let logis be who they are and play the game the way they see fit. There is no bug to fix here.

Seriously. DON'T. RESTRICT. EQUIPMENT. USE.

The equipment was already limited, you found a way to exploit a glitch to bypass the maximum equipment out. He's not restricting you, you are cheating him.

I Feel a good fix for this would be: When someone swaps suits at a supply depot, any new equipment they chunk down splodes the last suit's equipment on a one for one basis. It is how it works when you use normal nanohives and throw down more than they support.

There is no glitch or bug here, tool bags.

THE LIMITS ARE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, NOT ALL EQUIPMENT OF THAT TYPE!

Restricting equipment use stifles creativity and limits gameplay. Switching equipment and spamming hives and uplinks is a legitimate way to start and sustain an assault or bolster a line of defense. I'm sorry that you assault-biased CODophiles can't appreciate support play, but this isn't your typical shooter. Dust 514 is fun for people like me because there are many ways to play and make a difference. You goons are just too myopic to realize that's a good thing.

Your dropsuit does not have forty equipment slots, it has up to four. Even if you were to toss down four types of equipment, swapping suits for four different equipments should pop the previous ones. You don't have eight equipment slots, you have between one to four.

It IS a glitch. You were never supposed to be able to diarrhea spam equipment like this. That is why there are hard limits on each piece, and a limited number of equipment slots on the suits themselves. You are blatantly cheating with a broken mechanic.

Your dropsuit does not have forty equipment slots, it has up to four. Even if you were to toss down four types of equipment, swapping suits for four different equipments should pop the previous ones. You don't have eight equipment slots, you have between one to four.

It IS a glitch. You were never supposed to be able to diarrhea spam equipment like this. That is why there are hard limits on each piece, and a limited number of equipment slots on the suits themselves. You are blatantly cheating with a broken mechanic.

This sounds like another case of people wanting to homogenize game play.

They call for limits rather than expansions.

You think the opposition is being effective in supporting their team? You call for limitations on base ability rather than a counter method.

That line of thought will create an extremely narrow set of play styles (basically Assault AR with one or two inconsequential pieces of equipment).

My understanding of DUST is that it attempts to be expansive and deep rather than shallow and superficial. Constraining choices is a sure way to kill this game because depth and complexity is its main draw.

People are exploiting a bug in core mechanics and calling it a 'play style'. If you want the core mechanics to support your play style, post in feedback requests. I'm reporting a bug here.

This has already been noted by the dev team in this weeks dev report sticky. It IS a bug. You are supposed to be limited by the amount of equipment your suit can carry. People have found a way to abuse a bug to cheat their way around the core mechanics.

I'm not asking for a change, I'm asking for the bug to be fixed. If you don't like the core mechanics the way they are supposed to be, post in feedback.

You can't read. Seriously. Read the attributes for any hive or uplink. The max active and max carried info is for that piece of equipment only! You didn't discover a bug, genius!

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1292823#post1292823
Is a bug, dev confirmation right there.

Thank you, have a nice day and go thukk yourself.

So how is this supposed to work?

I put one UL type on each of four suit fittings and the second type pops the first, the third pops the second, and the fourth pops the third?

Or

I put four UL types on one suit and lay out all four, then swap out to a medic fit and they all stick around, or they all suddenly pop?


What's my supposed limit?

If it's only what I can carry then being a support Logi just became extremely constraining.

You want me to schlep uplinks and hives around for you, but just one of each? if I lay out a handful of DU's and hives for my team I'm supposed to stand around with my thumb up my ass because I've got no active module and I'm too squishy to go to the front and shoot?

Then if I do die, well, my suit is no longer supporting the equipment so your hives and DU go pop?
No, they stick around? Well what the hell is supporting them then?

Might as well go become an Assault Logi, or see if vehicles are fixed in 1.5 and screw trying to help cry babies who won't be happy until everyone is carrying an AR and nothing is more important to the game than the almighty assault rifle.

I'll stop dispensing anything to you babies at all.

No.

Whenever you put out equipment from a new suit it replaces the old equipment one piece at a time in the order of oldest first.

*numbers are placeholders*
Throw out 15 nanohives, then swap to your drop uplink fit, throw out 5 uplinks. The oldest 5 nanohives pop as each of the new uplinks come online. Now you have 5 uplinks and 10 nanohives out.

In other words, you're making **** up. At least you're consistent.

So my equipment should also dissapear whenever I die then?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1292823#post1292823
Is a bug, dev confirmation right there.

Thank you, have a nice day and go thukk yourself.

The only possible way to have more than the 'allowed' amount, is if you carry ADV nanohive, Basic nanohive, and militia (or proto) nanohive, which means you drop 2x ADV, 1x Basic, 1x militia (or 2-3x proto), giving you a total of 4 (or 5-6 if proto) nanohives down at any one time. Swapping suits to replenish your equipment doesn't let you have more nanohives simultaneously.

OP: Please clarify.

On my proto suit I can have 9 nanohives deployed at one time, all proto level no arum. With out using arum gear thats the most you can get on a single suit. Uplinks the max is 12 I believe, using mostly arum and some proto uplinks. Theres no reason to QQ about some one throwing out 21 pieces of equipment changing suits once, they loose either of those suits they WILL LOOSE MONEY and ARUM in the match. (unless them manage to make over 200k in a match)

The OP isnt clear and makes it looks like if I put a Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive + Ishukone Nanohie on one suit and Ishukone Nanohie + Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive on another suit my number of equipment that can be deployed changes. I can confirm this is CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE, when the second suit deploys any equipment over the maximum the first suit deployed, the equipment deployed with the first suit is automatically destroyed.

I thought the equipment are limited by tier rather than name? i.e. if it's 1 max for basic uplinks, putting down a basic uplink and a stable uplink will destroy the previous one?

I thought the equipment are limited by tier rather than name? i.e. if it's 1 max for basic uplinks, putting down a basic uplink and a stable uplink will destroy the previous one?

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There is a simple fix for this. Make it so you can no longer change suits at a supply depot. They would act like undepleting ammo nanohives only, refreshing ammuntion/grenades/explosives but not nanohives/uplinks/armor/shield etc. Therefore anything you bring on a suit to the battlefield will be lost when you die, and the only option for "saving" that suit is surviving the match. After all, if players can't swap suits to change equipment, why should they be allowed to swap suits to change to different weapons when the circumstances necessitate it?

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Equipment will still survive past one's death which is as it should be, and will not "pop" if further equipment is dropped, since players will be eating a significant and unavoidable loss of ISK to field this equipment. If you are a vehicle user and call in multiple vehicles for your squadmates to use, does the first get blown up when you call in the second? Equipment should be the same.
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How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively.

Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw.

When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken.

I created duplicates of the same suit 10 times and used Militia Drop Uplinks as my test. I dropped the equipment and swapped to the next suit and the Drop Uplinks went away as I deployed them. I could not replicate the bug. Could you be more specific or post a video of the bug?

yeah, I got a buddy.. deploys 16 droplinx in an ambush... games only allows his side to spawn on his... only 16 available spawn points... he gets 40X25 per battle... AND CAUSES MAJOR LAG ISSUES... this is repeatable
NOTE: EVEN WHEN YOU DEPLOY "RANDOM" HE GETS THE SPAWN

Questions about this "bug." So I have my "spawn fit" which carries two uplinks (two max each so four uplinks) and a k-2 hive. If I die or use up all of my equipment I switch to my "medic fit" which has an injector, rep tool, and healy hive.

If I die does my equipment from first suit disappear under new rules? If not why would it if I swap fits? If I throw down my healy hive, does a k-2 hive disappear? Or just the first piece of equipment I threw from previous suit? If I use my inj/rep will my uplinks disappear?

What is this "equipment cap" for suits? Is it the same for all medium frames? So could I be just as effective with an assault after said bug fix by spamming variations of assault suits to the new "equipment cap?" Will it be per suit or team? Will a full team of logis be able to do the same thing at the beginning of the match and then mass suicide into assault roles?

I don't understand what CCP is seeing as a bug and how they intend to fix it. The only way to cure uplink/hive spam is by putting a team equipment limit, which then will become a "whoever throws it out fastest, gets all the points" scenario.

Quick edit: what if a tank spawns on the field and I switch to my heavy forge gun fit, does all of my equipment disappear? So we are not only stifling logistics support, but teamplay and reactions/tactics now too?

As I understand it, this is what the OP means:

You make a suit with a Militia Drop Uplink, Drop Uplink, and Stable Drop Uplink. You switch to that suit at a supply depot and drop one of each type (the max active number for each of these uplink types).

You have another suit with a R-9 Drop Uplink, a N-11/A Flux Drop Uplink, and a P13 Quantum Drop Uplink. You switch to this suit and drop two of each type (the max active). Now you have 9 uplinks out total.

Repeat this with the protoype and AUR uplinks and you can have up to ~28 uplinks out simultaneously, by switching suits at the supply depot. You can also do this with nanohives to have up to ~25 nanohives out simultaneously.

This isn't really "infinite" in the sense that you can never exceed the ~28 or ~25 unit cap, but is infinite in the sense that you can keep replenishing them indefinitely so long as you have the supply depot in your possession.

How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively.

its not really a bug... tested this out myself.

what the OP is talking about is using every type of equipment. a single person can drop 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives,24 REs, 15 proxy all by themselves. that is alot of equipment to drop by yourself. now times that by 16 and you have 400 uplinks, 384 nanohives, 384 REs, 240 proxy and you can see why the system would crash with that much stuff out there and thats only one teams worth of equipment now double it and just wow, lag city for everyone. 800 uplinks!!!

We should probably move to the Feedback and Requests section and talk about uplinks there though and let this thread die.

what the OP is talking about is using every type of equipment. a single person can drop 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives,24 REs, 15 proxy all by themselves. that is alot of equipment to drop by yourself. now times that by 16 and you have 400 uplinks, 384 nanohives, 384 REs, 240 proxy and you can see why the system would crash with that much stuff out there and thats only one teams worth of equipment now double it and just wow, lag city for everyone. 800 uplinks!!!

I'm curious as well (especially with all of the non-logi love we're getting lately).

Uplinks are not the real problem; it's hives. Every time I've seen this exploit used to bog down a match, it has been done through the use of hives. In any case, it is doubtful this will ever get fixed as has been on CCP's backlog for a while now and is definitely not priority. Funny enough, fixing this would also fix a huge amount of reports about PC lowering in frames per second as there are PC players that use this exploit to make up for their lack of gun game. Not only that but this issue will only get worse as CCP increases types of deployed equipment and/or the player count in matches (if that ever actually happens at this point).

Status: We're aware of complaints, but exact cause is hard to nail down. Still looking into this. Recent playtests with equipment spam didn't show dramatic performance hits. More information from players on circumstances and conditions would be useful.

How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively.

Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw.

When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken.

How is it a "glitch", and how is it an "exploit"? It is an in-game mechanic. You can only drop a certain amount of one thing. If you were to find a REAL glitch (for example, if you did a certain thing and then approached a Supply Depot, giving you more equipment and letting you drop them without the original ones disappearing) and exploit THAT then it would be a problem. Why are you so mad about someone doing something that you could do just as well?

There is no glitch or bug here, tool bags.

THE LIMITS ARE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, NOT ALL EQUIPMENT OF THAT TYPE!

Restricting equipment use stifles creativity and limits gameplay. Switching equipment and spamming hives and uplinks is a legitimate way to start and sustain an assault or bolster a line of defense. I'm sorry that you assault-biased CODophiles can't appreciate support play, but this isn't your typical shooter. Dust 514 is fun for people like me because there are many ways to play and make a difference. You goons are just too myopic to realize that's a good thing.

It annoys me because of the lag, the people doing this know it lags the game, so CCP needs to do some optimisation.