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Skihids Bullet Cluster 2063	Posted - 2013.09.14 06:35:00 - [31] - Quote So if I drop my equipment, change suits and then pull out a rep tool everything that was previously in that slot goes poof? What makes the rep tool any different than deployable equipment? They both require CPU and PG. So if I want to deploy equipment that slot is taken. I get to pay for a slot to help you out and then it's useless. So anything that sits out possibly unused isn't worth carrying. I'm not going to be your pack mule. Carry your own damn hives. Watch what you wish for, you won't see much of anything in the future.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 369	Posted - 2013.09.14 08:23:00 - [32] - Quote In the meanwhile noone answered this question: RKKR wrote: So my equipment should also dissapear whenever I die then? So whenever you bring a uplink to drop behind enemy lines, you are stuck with it (and your suit) because if you swap it will disappear, you also have to hide like a chicken so your uplink stays alive. I'm sorry but you clearly are not playing a support role if you are thinking this is a bug. Also this thread is turning into a useless escalation without any word from CCP (who'se attention to this thread was asked on page 1, but they are probably too busy with posting troll-posts. CCP you have stated you are aware of this "issue" so there is no need to go silent on this thread).
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 733	Posted - 2013.09.14 14:56:00 - [33] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: SirManBoy wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Skihids wrote: This sounds like another case of people wanting to homogenize game play. They call for limits rather than expansions. You think the opposition is being effective in supporting their team? You call for limitations on base ability rather than a counter method. That line of thought will create an extremely narrow set of play styles (basically Assault AR with one or two inconsequential pieces of equipment). My understanding of DUST is that it attempts to be expansive and deep rather than shallow and superficial. Constraining choices is a sure way to kill this game because depth and complexity is its main draw. People are exploiting a bug in core mechanics and calling it a 'play style'. If you want the core mechanics to support your play style, post in feedback requests. I'm reporting a bug here. This has already been noted by the dev team in this weeks dev report sticky. It IS a bug. You are supposed to be limited by the amount of equipment your suit can carry. People have found a way to abuse a bug to cheat their way around the core mechanics. I'm not asking for a change, I'm asking for the bug to be fixed. If you don't like the core mechanics the way they are supposed to be, post in feedback. You can't read. Seriously. Read the attributes for any hive or uplink. The max active and max carried info is for that piece of equipment only! You didn't discover a bug, genius! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1292823#post1292823 Is a bug, dev confirmation right there. Thank you, have a nice day and go thukk yourself. No, it''s design - poor design. It's different. Your lying for your own personal agenda got it listed there as you claimed the supply depot to give UNLIMITED equipment. Shame on you. The design needs to be improved, not the waste dev time on chasing ghost bugs. Shame shame shame on you.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 733	Posted - 2013.09.14 15:24:00 - [34] - Quote Also, supply depots are not to blame. Again, it's the design. That means the same issue appies by creating several different loadouts - and spawning in with them.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 151	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:58:00 - [35] - Quote If switching suits to get different equipment and being able to use that equipment is a bug, then it is also a bug when players switch suits to go back to full: Armor, shields, ammo, and grenades. If they change equipment to the way you want, they will also change it so when you swap suits and have 10 armor left thats what your new suit gets. (now watch all the crying, "but thats working as intended") The WP generated from a logistics doing what the OP stated is still less than what most tankers (or people riding in a tank AFKing), good assault players, or scouts hacking/killing in the back lines will generate.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2065	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:24:00 - [36] - Quote Carefully deploying equipment and returning to a supply depot consumes significant match time and gets me killed enough in expensive fits to keep it from becoming an ISK generator. I can net far more ISK running a BPO Assault fit at zero risk. Instead I enjoy shaping the battlefield through my support actions, and I hope that support is appreciated by my team. I expect the enemy team to dislike my actions just as strongly, as they dislike the ARs on my team shredding their armor. What I don't expect or appreciate is to read QQ threads about it. People ***** about Assault Logis, then turn around and scream about true support logistics. It seems the only logistics they accept is a personal servant following them around with a repair tool all match. That's seriously shallow game play.
pamuku420tyme RedBerry Genocide 27	Posted - 2013.09.16 07:42:00 - [37] - Quote If you restrict Equipment use then you will kill off logis. period! We are there to fill the map with links and hives and bring you back to life or keep you going. you restrict us on use and you are just killing yourselves. did anyone think of that? We can only throw down 2 links or hives. Our others that we have dropped died ran out what ever now what is the squad/team supposed to do?? sit in the MCC and play goldfish?? cause you know the heavy's aren't running back out...
dustwaffle Commando Perkone Caldari State 518	Posted - 2013.09.16 07:45:00 - [38] - Quote Wait a minute, do the people complaining actually have any experience running logistic suits? With regards to the OP's post: ********************************* Logi Suit A - ADV nanohive, ADV uplink (can drop 2 each at any one time) After dropping both, I can select Logi Suit B, which has ADV nanohive and ADV uplinks with minor variations. If I drop another nanohive or uplink, the earlier ones I drop start popping in the order I dropped them in (i.e. I can only ever have 2 K-2 nanohives and 2 R-9 uplinks down at any one time. ********************************** What the OP is saying, from what I can see anyway, is: Drop 2 k-2 nanohives, swap suits, drop 2 more k-2 nanohives and repeat? This can NOT happen, and if you test it yourself you'll find out that indeed, it does NOT happen. The only possible way to have more than the 'allowed' amount, is if you carry ADV nanohive, Basic nanohive, and militia (or proto) nanohive, which means you drop 2x ADV, 1x Basic, 1x militia (or 2-3x proto), giving you a total of 4 (or 5-6 if proto) nanohives down at any one time. Swapping suits to replenish your equipment doesn't let you have more nanohives simultaneously. OP: Please clarify.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 153	Posted - 2013.09.16 08:16:00 - [39] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: The only possible way to have more than the 'allowed' amount, is if you carry ADV nanohive, Basic nanohive, and militia (or proto) nanohive, which means you drop 2x ADV, 1x Basic, 1x militia (or 2-3x proto), giving you a total of 4 (or 5-6 if proto) nanohives down at any one time. Swapping suits to replenish your equipment doesn't let you have more nanohives simultaneously. OP: Please clarify. On my proto suit I can have 9 nanohives deployed at one time, all proto level no arum. With out using arum gear thats the most you can get on a single suit. Uplinks the max is 12 I believe, using mostly arum and some proto uplinks. Theres no reason to QQ about some one throwing out 21 pieces of equipment changing suits once, they loose either of those suits they WILL LOOSE MONEY and ARUM in the match. (unless them manage to make over 200k in a match) The OP isnt clear and makes it looks like if I put a Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive + Ishukone Nanohie on one suit and Ishukone Nanohie + Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive on another suit my number of equipment that can be deployed changes. I can confirm this is CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE, when the second suit deploys any equipment over the maximum the first suit deployed, the equipment deployed with the first suit is automatically destroyed.
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 364	Posted - 2013.09.16 08:18:00 - [40] - Quote It's hypothetically possible to have about 22 drop uplinks simultaneously available. This is using EVERY kind of uplink there is. Does OP think that every uplink I drop is an R-9? They're not. I use R-9, Stable, STD, MLT and 'Templar' STD for a total of six at maximum. If he thinks that, he's clearly never played a support role.

dustwaffle Commando Perkone Caldari State 521	Posted - 2013.09.16 09:32:00 - [41] - Quote Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: The only possible way to have more than the 'allowed' amount, is if you carry ADV nanohive, Basic nanohive, and militia (or proto) nanohive, which means you drop 2x ADV, 1x Basic, 1x militia (or 2-3x proto), giving you a total of 4 (or 5-6 if proto) nanohives down at any one time. Swapping suits to replenish your equipment doesn't let you have more nanohives simultaneously. OP: Please clarify. On my proto suit I can have 9 nanohives deployed at one time, all proto level no arum. With out using arum gear thats the most you can get on a single suit. Uplinks the max is 12 I believe, using mostly arum and some proto uplinks. Theres no reason to QQ about some one throwing out 21 pieces of equipment changing suits once, they loose either of those suits they WILL LOOSE MONEY and ARUM in the match. (unless them manage to make over 200k in a match) The OP isnt clear and makes it looks like if I put a Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive + Ishukone Nanohie on one suit and Ishukone Nanohie + Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive on another suit my number of equipment that can be deployed changes. I can confirm this is CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE, when the second suit deploys any equipment over the maximum the first suit deployed, the equipment deployed with the first suit is automatically destroyed. I thought the equipment are limited by tier rather than name? i.e. if it's 1 max for basic uplinks, putting down a basic uplink and a stable uplink will destroy the previous one?
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 156	Posted - 2013.09.16 09:52:00 - [42] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: I thought the equipment are limited by tier rather than name? i.e. if it's 1 max for basic uplinks, putting down a basic uplink and a stable uplink will destroy the previous one? Nope, its by name only. Wiyrkomi uplinks are not destroyed by Allotek or Ishukone Uplinks. Because of this putting different uplinks in each slot works for each types maximum. If you have 2 slots with Ishukone uplinks, your maximum deployed will be the maximum for Ishukone uplinks, if you switch to the second equipment slot of Ishukone uplinks it doesnt change the maximum deploy-able. In previous builds you could put 4x one type on a single suit and each slot had a maximum deployable. That was not working as intended, though it was entertaining being able to pile up really good uplinks/nanohives in one spot.
Mortedeamor Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 249	Posted - 2013.09.16 11:47:00 - [43] - Quote really thats rather curious as i spend half my time swapping between 4 suits that carry all the nanos and you cannot deploy more than the allota amount of nano of a specific kind..i think it goes like this 2 wyka triage 2 allotek 3 ish gauged hives 2 ish flux hives 2 cistern k 17 d healers (aur) 2 k17 d stand and just about 2 of each of the other nanos down to the compact and stnds were u can only have 1 a fully specced logi witha supply depot ccan deploy 24 or so nano thats how it has always been.. there is no infinite equipment glitch you probably just saw a fellow proto logi getting their nano spamm on
Mortedeamor Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 249	Posted - 2013.09.16 11:48:00 - [44] - Quote at the most i have exp a lagg with the auto detruct of the extra prohibited nano but it still goes away if you lay more than the individual equipment piece supports
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 737	Posted - 2013.09.16 12:34:00 - [45] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: The only possible way to have more than the 'allowed' amount, is if you carry ADV nanohive, Basic nanohive, and militia (or proto) nanohive, which means you drop 2x ADV, 1x Basic, 1x militia (or 2-3x proto), giving you a total of 4 (or 5-6 if proto) nanohives down at any one time. Swapping suits to replenish your equipment doesn't let you have more nanohives simultaneously. OP: Please clarify. On my proto suit I can have 9 nanohives deployed at one time, all proto level no arum. With out using arum gear thats the most you can get on a single suit. Uplinks the max is 12 I believe, using mostly arum and some proto uplinks. Theres no reason to QQ about some one throwing out 21 pieces of equipment changing suits once, they loose either of those suits they WILL LOOSE MONEY and ARUM in the match. (unless them manage to make over 200k in a match) The OP isnt clear and makes it looks like if I put a Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive + Ishukone Nanohie on one suit and Ishukone Nanohie + Wiyrkomi Uplink + Allotek Nanohive on another suit my number of equipment that can be deployed changes. I can confirm this is CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE, when the second suit deploys any equipment over the maximum the first suit deployed, the equipment deployed with the first suit is automatically destroyed. I thought the equipment are limited by tier rather than name? i.e. if it's 1 max for basic uplinks, putting down a basic uplink and a stable uplink will destroy the previous one? Sadly no. A system something like that would be good. However if we think deeper into by just limiting STD/ADV/PRO tiers there are some issues to resolve first.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 195	Posted - 2013.09.16 13:51:00 - [46] - Quote The OP is complaining that every individual uplink/nanohive can be deployed "for free" by changing to suits fitted with each type at a supply depot, reaching the max active limit of each gear type without dying (ignoring the fact that it is still possible to be killed while doing this, particularly since most supply depots are not in areas where this tactic would be especially useful in yielding WP, and hence requires most logis to field equipment further away from the depot). There is a simple fix for this. Make it so you can no longer change suits at a supply depot. They would act like undepleting ammo nanohives only, refreshing ammuntion/grenades/explosives but not nanohives/uplinks/armor/shield etc. Therefore anything you bring on a suit to the battlefield will be lost when you die, and the only option for "saving" that suit is surviving the match. After all, if players can't swap suits to change equipment, why should they be allowed to swap suits to change to different weapons when the circumstances necessitate it? If this is employed then the vehicle recall system must also be disabled. It would not be fair to allow for vehicle recall in a world where suit recall is impossible; you must either survive the match with the vehicle or lose it through destruction. Vehicle decay should be disabled as well - if you choose not to use a vehicle that you called in, you should be able to park it in a safe area and assuming it is unmolested by blueberry theft/redberry hacking/destruction, it should be allowed to survive the match (albeit while occupying a vehicle quota slot). Equipment will still survive past one's death which is as it should be, and will not "pop" if further equipment is dropped, since players will be eating a significant and unavoidable loss of ISK to field this equipment. If you are a vehicle user and call in multiple vehicles for your squadmates to use, does the first get blown up when you call in the second? Equipment should be the same. I think any type of "cap" on equipment is not only detrimental to support play, but would be too complex to implement. For instance, if you only had access to suits with one equipment slot, does this mean your active equipment cap would be lower than that of a player with four slots? If you have access to both, does that mean your equipment cap is reduced when you switch from the 4-slot suit to a 3-slot or 1-slot suit? And for a player with four slots, can you guess what the max amount of active deployables will be for that player? It's higher than you may think - 21 pieces. You can achieve this by using Boundless Proximity Explosives (6), Boundless Remote Explosives (5), 'Skinjuice' Boundless Remote Explosives (5), and F49 Proximity Explosives (5), and replenishing at a pre-deployed nanohive to achieve the max actives per explosive type. Will the 21 pc limit only apply to explosives? Will other droppables have their own cap based on slot allowance? Say 9 each for nanohives/drop uplinks if you have four slots, or 7 each if you have three slots? Three if you only have one slot? Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that supply depots work, or with how vehicle deployment/recall works (though it would be nice to only allow vehicle recall at a supply depot, or if a supply depot was in possession, to better mimic suit recall). If changes had to be implemented then I think the supply depot/vehicle recall change should be the only ones employed.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 380	Posted - 2013.09.16 14:40:00 - [47] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: ... There is a simple fix for this. Make it so you can no longer change suits at a supply depot. They would act like undepleting ammo nanohives only, refreshing ammuntion/grenades/explosives but not nanohives/uplinks/armor/shield etc. Therefore anything you bring on a suit to the battlefield will be lost when you die, and the only option for "saving" that suit is surviving the match. After all, if players can't swap suits to change equipment, why should they be allowed to swap suits to change to different weapons when the circumstances necessitate it? So after I drop all my hives I have to run around being useless as a support character untill I die? That's how we get idiote like these: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110455&find=unread Why should we change suits? It makes the battle more interessting, use tactics...learn to defend your supply depot,..... Quote: ... Equipment will still survive past one's death which is as it should be, and will not "pop" if further equipment is dropped, since players will be eating a significant and unavoidable loss of ISK to field this equipment. If you are a vehicle user and call in multiple vehicles for your squadmates to use, does the first get blown up when you call in the second? Equipment should be the same. ... 1. Drop equipment. 2. Commit suicide. 3. Repeat. = unlimited equipment. Limited equipment would be a problem, a problem we currently don't have. There is a limit of # vehicles that can be active on the battlefield too. Please think before you share ideas. There is currently nothing wrong with the current gameplay involving equipment and supply depots. If you have a problem, bring flux grenades and see how easy you can clear those hive-nests.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 196	Posted - 2013.09.16 15:45:00 - [48] - Quote As I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with how supply depots presently work. But, if the OP wants to change things to limit support players specifically, then that kind of change should also affect other players - in this case, a nerf to the supply depot mechanic (and the vehicle recall mechanic). I pointed this out as a way of saying the solution might make things worse than they already are. Alternatively, what if changing suits at a supply depot consumed a fitting (but did not cost you a death)? As a logi would you still be spamming those expensive nanohives if you lost them every time you switched suits?
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 357	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:19:00 - [49] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively. Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw. When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken. I created duplicates of the same suit 10 times and used Militia Drop Uplinks as my test. I dropped the equipment and swapped to the next suit and the Drop Uplinks went away as I deployed them. I could not replicate the bug. Could you be more specific or post a video of the bug?
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 196	Posted - 2013.09.16 17:26:00 - [50] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I created duplicates of the same suit 10 times and used Militia Drop Uplinks as my test. I dropped the equipment and swapped to the next suit and the Drop Uplinks went away as I deployed them. I could not replicate the bug. Could you be more specific or post a video of the bug? As I understand it, this is what the OP means: You make a suit with a Militia Drop Uplink, Drop Uplink, and Stable Drop Uplink. You switch to that suit at a supply depot and drop one of each type (the max active number for each of these uplink types). You have another suit with a R-9 Drop Uplink, a N-11/A Flux Drop Uplink, and a P13 Quantum Drop Uplink. You switch to this suit and drop two of each type (the max active). Now you have 9 uplinks out total. Repeat this with the protoype and AUR uplinks and you can have up to ~28 uplinks out simultaneously, by switching suits at the supply depot. You can also do this with nanohives to have up to ~25 nanohives out simultaneously. This isn't really "infinite" in the sense that you can never exceed the ~28 or ~25 unit cap, but is infinite in the sense that you can keep replenishing them indefinitely so long as you have the supply depot in your possession.

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2013.09.16 22:22:00 - [51] - Quote OP is a moron, mechanics working as intended. Just ignore him he probs saw some 1 doing their logi job properly and now gets mad.
Croned The Generals EoN. 377	Posted - 2013.09.17 03:50:00 - [52] - Quote This is not a bug, and it would be completely illogical to not allow you to have every type of equipment placed by switching suits. CCP has already mentioned a team-based limit on deployable equipment (even though I don't think it's possible to do that without creating equipment battles among members of the team), which I think would make a whole lot more sense (TacNet limitations).
dustwaffle Commando Perkone Caldari State 537	Posted - 2013.09.17 04:06:00 - [53] - Quote Ok guys, thanks for the clarification. Given that it's by name instead of by tier level, it does seem a bit silly to be able to spam 20+ uplinks all over the place. That said, I can see this as not too much of a problem, given that you'll have to waste at least 15 minutes in a match running to and fro the supply depot, unless you drop them all in the vicinity of one. Given how sparse supply depots are in most games (1-2 in active combat zone, 1 in each side's redline), I don't really see how viable spending all that time dropping uplinks and refitting would be... At most, 1 drop uplink suit with 3 types carried, then 1-2 swaps to regular suit with nanohives etc. Kinda redundant having 15 nanohives and uplinks all clustered around the supply depot, only to be taken out by a couple of fluxes when the enemy pushes on the depot. Will try this tonight when I get home to form an actual opinion on whether this tactic is too OP or not, instead of making assumptions with no actual experience like the OP in this thread and many other have.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1610	Posted - 2013.09.17 04:27:00 - [54] - Quote CaoticFox wrote: SirManBoy wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively. Equipment is limited for a reason, and people are exploiting this glitch to diarrhea pile equipment all over objectives. It is impacting performance in PC as well as public matches and fw. When something says you can only have up to 2 or 3 out at a time and you have 500% of that out, something is broken. It's not a bug, it's a play style. The limit is for each individual peice of equipment, not all equipment. Your bias is getting in the way of your ability to read, bub. yeah, I got a buddy.. deploys 16 droplinx in an ambush... games only allows his side to spawn on his... only 16 available spawn points... he gets 40X25 per battle... AND CAUSES MAJOR LAG ISSUES... this is repeatable NOTE: EVEN WHEN YOU DEPLOY "RANDOM" HE GETS THE SPAWN you know a single person can drop 25 active uplinks total right? this includes AUR versions. if there was 4 people who did this in a match you would have 100 active uplinks.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 413	Posted - 2013.09.17 04:31:00 - [55] - Quote Questions about this "bug." So I have my "spawn fit" which carries two uplinks (two max each so four uplinks) and a k-2 hive. If I die or use up all of my equipment I switch to my "medic fit" which has an injector, rep tool, and healy hive. If I die does my equipment from first suit disappear under new rules? If not why would it if I swap fits? If I throw down my healy hive, does a k-2 hive disappear? Or just the first piece of equipment I threw from previous suit? If I use my inj/rep will my uplinks disappear? What is this "equipment cap" for suits? Is it the same for all medium frames? So could I be just as effective with an assault after said bug fix by spamming variations of assault suits to the new "equipment cap?" Will it be per suit or team? Will a full team of logis be able to do the same thing at the beginning of the match and then mass suicide into assault roles? I don't understand what CCP is seeing as a bug and how they intend to fix it. The only way to cure uplink/hive spam is by putting a team equipment limit, which then will become a "whoever throws it out fastest, gets all the points" scenario. Quick edit: what if a tank spawns on the field and I switch to my heavy forge gun fit, does all of my equipment disappear? So we are not only stifling logistics support, but teamplay and reactions/tactics now too?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1612	Posted - 2013.09.17 05:08:00 - [56] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Questions about this "bug." So I have my "spawn fit" which carries two uplinks (two max each so four uplinks) and a k-2 hive. If I die or use up all of my equipment I switch to my "medic fit" which has an injector, rep tool, and healy hive. If I die does my equipment from first suit disappear under new rules? If not why would it if I swap fits? If I throw down my healy hive, does a k-2 hive disappear? Or just the first piece of equipment I threw from previous suit? If I use my inj/rep will my uplinks disappear? What is this "equipment cap" for suits? Is it the same for all medium frames? So could I be just as effective with an assault after said bug fix by spamming variations of assault suits to the new "equipment cap?" Will it be per suit or team? Will a full team of logis be able to do the same thing at the beginning of the match and then mass suicide into assault roles? I don't understand what CCP is seeing as a bug and how they intend to fix it. The only way to cure uplink/hive spam is by putting a team equipment limit, which then will become a "whoever throws it out fastest, gets all the points" scenario. Quick edit: what if a tank spawns on the field and I switch to my heavy forge gun fit, does all of my equipment disappear? So we are not only stifling logistics support, but teamplay and reactions/tactics now too? its not really a bug... tested this out myself. what the OP is talking about is using every type of equipment. a single person can drop 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives,24 REs, 15 proxy all by themselves. that is alot of equipment to drop by yourself. now times that by 16 and you have 400 uplinks, 384 nanohives, 384 REs, 240 proxy and you can see why the system would crash with that much stuff out there. everyone calm down this is not a bug or a glitch. devs you can calm down this is not a real bug report.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 739	Posted - 2013.09.17 10:49:00 - [57] - Quote The biggest dissentive to using supply depots to litter the field with links/hives is: Time it takes to do it. Currently it takes valuable time to 'prep the field', especially if you're setting the stuff further away from the supply depot. Dropping equipment, changing suits and biggest of all walking back and forth usually means you waste time. It's not that good a tactic. If supply depot equipment spam is a problem, then let's address it by increasing time to swap suits - make the time investment bigger. Note that this would help to fight the in-combat suit changing/healing as well. Also note that devs at least used to think about better ways to address the in-fight suit changing/healing.
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 358	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:27:00 - [58] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: I created duplicates of the same suit 10 times and used Militia Drop Uplinks as my test. I dropped the equipment and swapped to the next suit and the Drop Uplinks went away as I deployed them. I could not replicate the bug. Could you be more specific or post a video of the bug? As I understand it, this is what the OP means: You make a suit with a Militia Drop Uplink, Drop Uplink, and Stable Drop Uplink. You switch to that suit at a supply depot and drop one of each type (the max active number for each of these uplink types). You have another suit with a R-9 Drop Uplink, a N-11/A Flux Drop Uplink, and a P13 Quantum Drop Uplink. You switch to this suit and drop two of each type (the max active). Now you have 9 uplinks out total. Repeat this with the protoype and AUR uplinks and you can have up to ~28 uplinks out simultaneously, by switching suits at the supply depot. You can also do this with nanohives to have up to ~25 nanohives out simultaneously. This isn't really "infinite" in the sense that you can never exceed the ~28 or ~25 unit cap, but is infinite in the sense that you can keep replenishing them indefinitely so long as you have the supply depot in your possession. Hmm... ok, so OP really needs to work on his wording... let me quote him real quick so I don't have to keep jumping around: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: How to reproduce: create duplicates of the same suit/ variations of the suit with variations of the equipment. Once you drop all your equipment go to a supply depot and swap to the next suit, you'll be able to glitch the maximum equipment out per time infinitely by doing this repetitively. Underlining mine. So Leovarian, there actually isn't a glitch here. You can throw out multiple sets or variations of similar equipment but it doesn't do it infinitely. Also, the supply depot was showcased back in Fanfest 2012 right before the orbital bombardment as being able to switch your loadout for another one while on the field. I saw ladwar's post and agree with him too: ladwar wrote: its not really a bug... tested this out myself. what the OP is talking about is using every type of equipment. a single person can drop 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives,24 REs, 15 proxy all by themselves. that is alot of equipment to drop by yourself. now times that by 16 and you have 400 uplinks, 384 nanohives, 384 REs, 240 proxy and you can see why the system would crash with that much stuff out there and thats only one teams worth of equipment now double it and just wow, lag city for everyone. 800 uplinks!!! I believe the biggest offender right now is the uplinks as I'm seeing people throw down multiple sets and creating frame rate and network issues due to the vast amount of uplinks shown on the overview screen. Not to mention it makes quickly selecting the place you want to spawn a headache and more of a chore. Now I'm not against having multiple uplinks on the field but I feel like at the moment they are just being spammed beyond the point of them being useful and causing problems for both teams. We should probably move to the Feedback and Requests section and talk about uplinks there though and let this thread die.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 391	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:56:00 - [59] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: We should probably move to the Feedback and Requests section and talk about uplinks there though and let this thread die. or we could wait for clarification by CCP. If CCP LogiBro can do the effort to spare us the time by adding a image in a thread for us instead of us clicking 1 link then I'm sure he can give some more info before we waste our time posting more posts/threads. That's offcourse if they finally feel ready to make their "open communication"-commitment come true.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 167	Posted - 2013.09.18 21:14:00 - [60] - Quote ladwar wrote: what the OP is talking about is using every type of equipment. a single person can drop 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives,24 REs, 15 proxy all by themselves. that is alot of equipment to drop by yourself. now times that by 16 and you have 400 uplinks, 384 nanohives, 384 REs, 240 proxy and you can see why the system would crash with that much stuff out there and thats only one teams worth of equipment now double it and just wow, lag city for everyone. 800 uplinks!!! And to do this in the time span of say a domination the team would all need to be either Gal or Min Logis with over 10mil SP (almost none of it in weapons) and focus on just deploying equipment. Yes this is possible, but its not going to happen outside of a friendly PC match where your trying to crash the server from lag. Though I would like to see a sniper try and hit some one through 384 nanohives! It would be like blanket sniper cover, and for every on the ground the 3 fps would be AMAZING!



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