Good luck getting constructive when everyone wants logis to be free kills in a FPS.

Changing the classes skill would be a VERY big nerf.

Weapons received a 10% damage boost to make up for losing ten percent damage from the Weaponry skill bonus being changed. If they hadn't done that, that change would have effectively nerfed every single infantry weapon in the game.

Posting the following info on upcoming changes to weapon damage and HMG balance on behalf of CCP Rement since he's knee deep in making these changes. He will also be answer questions and discussing this topic in this thread as well.

Tl;dr version:
GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.
GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

In Chromosome, the Weaponry skill gave an across the board 2% damage bonus to handheld weapons per level. Given the low SP cost of the skill (and the fact that itGÇÖs a pre-req for every weapon in the game) the majority of players would just skill straight to level 5 making the skill pretty pointless. So, in Uprising we removed the skill bonus. The side effect of this, of course, is that time-to-kill has increased.

This, combined with some of the control issues weGÇÖve been seeing, has led to combat feeling worse than it did in Chromosome. We will address this with a hot-fix that gives an across the board 10% increase to all handheld weapon damage to put DPS back to where it was. Additionally, weGÇÖve increased HMG damage and reduced the dispersion penalty when moving by 5% to address issues with the weapon....

The Powergrid bonus was removed because it served as a means to disrupt the balance they were trying to achieve of having roles for vehicles rather than meta levels like the suits. I personally believe the vehicles need the same treatment of recouping some of that PG loss, and I hope that's part of what's on the table for the 1.5 release.

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Why not give the Assaults the same slots and CPU/PG as Logis; buff Assaults, don't nerf Logis.

I have a hard enough time playing my role correctly without such a nerf.

Your first post reinforces what I said about them feeling DPS was too low for all weapons after they removed that bonus.

Also, one sentence above the area you helpfully underlined was what Blam! described as the primary reason for the Powergrid change, as you can see that I have bolded and underlined for emphasis.

The idea of balancing combat around the idea of new players was listed after the word "Also", indicating that it was a secondary consideration.

As long as logis get the same base hp as assaults then I could live with that.

Do you not quite understand the fact that assaults need more hp so that they can ASSAULT.

Do you not quite understand the fact that assaults need more hp so that they can ASSAULT.

Part of the reason for suggesting the range bonus for the Logistics suits would be so that they could repair from further back, even from behind cover, to help make up for having less HP.

Assaults have more base HP, speed, stamina, shield recharge delay, shield regen (kind of useless for armor tankers, I know) and the get to carry 2 weapons. You can't have it all.

Sure we can, they're the characteristics of an assault class, just like logistics can support the team (in the process getting waaaay more wp than using a logi for assaulting)

We need a dev in here. I see alot of good ideas in here. Lets make dust to the game it should be.

Part of this is defined roles. I want to feel that I'm assault. So make bonus as intended. Helping me do my role while other roles gain other specified advantages. Thats definately the way to go.

I'm a caldari assault cko, and compared to the logi cko I'm a pile of sh!t

The day I get to assault in an assault suit without being outclassed by a logi, i'll be a VERY happy dust bunny

This is a FPS, everyone is essentially an assault. Some use smaller frames, some use medium frames, some use heavy frames, some have more equipment and module slots, some have less module slots and a sidearm... you get the point? I support my team, and I lay down covering fire when I need to. When New Eden has a geneva convention, I'll put my gun down and be you're personal pack *****.

This is a FPS, everyone is essentially an assault. Some use smaller frames, some use medium frames, some use heavy frames, some have more equipment and module slots, some have less module slots and a sidearm... you get the point? I support my team, and I lay down covering fire when I need to. When New Eden has a geneva convention, I'll put my gun down and be you're personal pack *****.

With all due respect your just not that good sorry. If you was good your slightly superior stats would see you win that fight.

Surely the assault class should be better at assaulting than the other classes, not have it as a basic layout to base the other suits around.

caldari logi with 1000+ ehp and proto weapons, not to mention all the people flocking their equipment, yeah I'm defo outclassed by that, if you aren't then you must be a god...

We're not talking about reducing Logi to sidearms only or trying to nerf them so bad they can't do anything but hide behind other suits.

We're talking about trying to make them truly excel as a support class, and last I checked, the support classes in most other games still get guns, and are still useful with them.

Hell, the Support class in Battlefield is the only one that can use light machine guns.

The support class in Battlefield can use LMGs because nobody would play it if they didn't.

All I'm saying is don't make the bonuses gear specific because some logis don't use certain pieces of equipment and it's only going to get worse when new stuff comes out. That bubble shield looks really appealing- oh wait, I only have bonuses for a repair tool...

The support class in Battlefield can use LMGs because nobody would play it if they didn't.

All I'm saying is don't make the bonuses gear specific because some logis don't use certain pieces of equipment and it's only going to get worse when new stuff comes out. That bubble shield looks really appealing- oh wait, I only have bonuses for a repair tool...

I was thinking more along the lines of equipment efficiency, with less cpu/pg than it would be say for and assault suit, meaning if logis had lower cpu/pg they could easily fit the equipment but we wouldn't have them pushing other roles to the bottom of the food chain.

Just an idea it doesn't matter if you hate it

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That's what I've been saying. I even made a topic on it too.
-Give the Gallente racial to all logi suits as their logi suit bonus.
-Give Gallente Logi a new racial. (something to do with plate movement penalty)
-Everyone can finally STFU about logistics. Oh, and buff assaults or something.... (Quote)

Now THIS... is legit balancing