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Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:28:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:How to balance logis?
Change passive reps to 10% CPU/PG on equipment per level.
Give us the same PG/CPU as assault suits.
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Profit!
Specific equipment bonuses are cool, as long as they don't pidgeonhole each suit into a specific role, making them inferior to the other suits for other equipment based tasks. Why not give the Assaults the same slots and CPU/PG as Logis; buff Assaults, don't nerf Logis. I have a hard enough time playing my role correctly without such a nerf. As long as logis get the same base hp as assaults then I could live with that.
Do you not quite understand the fact that assaults need more hp so that they can ASSAULT. |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:34:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:How to balance logis?
Change passive reps to 10% CPU/PG on equipment per level.
Give us the same PG/CPU as assault suits.
...
Profit!
Specific equipment bonuses are cool, as long as they don't pidgeonhole each suit into a specific role, making them inferior to the other suits for other equipment based tasks. Why not give the Assaults the same slots and CPU/PG as Logis; buff Assaults, don't nerf Logis. I have a hard enough time playing my role correctly without such a nerf. As long as logis get the same base hp as assaults then I could live with that. Do you not quite understand the fact that assaults need more hp so that they can ASSAULT. Assaults have more base HP, speed, stamina, shield recharge delay, shield regen (kind of useless for armor tankers, I know) and the get to carry 2 weapons. You can't have it all.
Sure we can, they're the characteristics of an assault class, just like logistics can support the team (in the process getting waaaay more wp than using a logi for assaulting) |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:43:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:We need a dev in here. I see alot of good ideas in here. Lets make dust to the game it should be.
Part of this is defined roles. I want to feel that I'm assault. So make bonus as intended. Helping me do my role while other roles gain other specified advantages. Thats definately the way to go.
I'm a caldari assault cko, and compared to the logi cko I'm a pile of sh!t
The day I get to assault in an assault suit without being outclassed by a logi, i'll be a VERY happy dust bunny |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:51:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Sure we can, they're the characteristics of an assault class, just like logistics can support the team (in the process getting waaaay more wp than using a logi for assaulting) This is a FPS, everyone is essentially an assault. Some use smaller frames, some use medium frames, some use heavy frames, some have more equipment and module slots, some have less module slots and a sidearm... you get the point? I support my team, and I lay down covering fire when I need to. When New Eden has a geneva convention, I'll put my gun down and be you're personal pack *****.
Surely the assault class should be better at assaulting than the other classes, not have it as a basic layout to base the other suits around. |
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:54:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Your Absolut End wrote:We need a dev in here. I see alot of good ideas in here. Lets make dust to the game it should be.
Part of this is defined roles. I want to feel that I'm assault. So make bonus as intended. Helping me do my role while other roles gain other specified advantages. Thats definately the way to go. I'm a caldari assault cko, and compared to the logi cko I'm a pile of sh!t The day I get to assault in an assault suit without being outclassed by a logi, i'll be a VERY happy dust bunny With all due respect your just not that good sorry. If you was good your slightly superior stats would see you win that fight.
caldari logi with 1000+ ehp and proto weapons, not to mention all the people flocking their equipment, yeah I'm defo outclassed by that, if you aren't then you must be a god... |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cosgar wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Sure we can, they're the characteristics of an assault class, just like logistics can support the team (in the process getting waaaay more wp than using a logi for assaulting) This is a FPS, everyone is essentially an assault. Some use smaller frames, some use medium frames, some use heavy frames, some have more equipment and module slots, some have less module slots and a sidearm... you get the point? I support my team, and I lay down covering fire when I need to. When New Eden has a geneva convention, I'll put my gun down and be you're personal pack *****. We're not talking about reducing Logi to sidearms only or trying to nerf them so bad they can't do anything but hide behind other suits. We're talking about trying to make them truly excel as a support class, and last I checked, the support classes in most other games still get guns, and are still useful with them. Hell, the Support class in Battlefield is the only one that can use light machine guns. The support class in Battlefield can use LMGs because nobody would play it if they didn't. All I'm saying is don't make the bonuses gear specific because some logis don't use certain pieces of equipment and it's only going to get worse when new stuff comes out. That bubble shield looks really appealing- oh wait, I only have bonuses for a repair tool...
I was thinking more along the lines of equipment efficiency, with less cpu/pg than it would be say for and assault suit, meaning if logis had lower cpu/pg they could easily fit the equipment but we wouldn't have them pushing other roles to the bottom of the food chain.
Just an idea it doesn't matter if you hate it |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:17:00 -
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That's what I've been saying. I even made a topic on it too.
-Give the Gallente racial to all logi suits as their logi suit bonus.
-Give Gallente Logi a new racial. (something to do with plate movement penalty)
-Everyone can finally STFU about logistics. Oh, and buff assaults or something.... (Quote)
Now THIS... is legit balancing |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:40:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:(Quote)
That's what I've been saying. I even made a topic on it too.
-Give the Gallente racial to all logi suits as their logi suit bonus.
-Give Gallente Logi a new racial. (something to do with plate movement penalty)
-Everyone can finally STFU about logistics. Oh, and buff assaults or something.... (Quote)
Now THIS... is legit balancing As much as I learned to appreciate that +5 HP/s regen, if it gets everyone to shut up about logistics, I'll give it up. This is assuming that whatever the hell is wrong with 1.4 gets fixed. Longer TTK, strafing, and toned down AA. I agree... Although I would rather see every suit get passive armor regen to better differentiate armor vs shield tanking. Deal!
Now we just need a dev in here to take some action on this stuff,
seriously idk why they didn't think of something like this sooner |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I think the last 2 pages is all the devs need to read lol What's really going to happen is someone is going to make a rage topic with some outlandish nerf worse than sidearm restrictions and blue tags will be all over it. 
What, like what's happened with almost every nerf and buff so far in dust's history? |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 21:06:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:Did we forget Amarr logi is a assault type.Those ideas are not balanced for it.If this is the case then take away everyone but logi equipment slots.
Well the Amarr can have their racial bonus (I think it's energy weapon heat build up thingy) and get a laser rifle!
1:You get a racial bonus for it.
2:You can shoot people from far back as well as having 2x rep tool range.
3:The aim assist practically aims it for you! :D
That would make one op amarr logi |
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Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
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Posted - 2013.09.06 21:14:00 -
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We need to keep this on the front page.
KEEP REPLYING TO THIS THREAD!!!! |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.06 21:35:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Double repair tool range+lai dai flux repper? Two targets, 35hp, 63m range... Let's think about that distance for a second.
I don't see a problem with that, and I'm not a logi :) |
Jammeh McJam
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Posted - 2013.09.07 10:04:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Cosgar wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:This bonus would come at the cost of the +5hp/s bonus logis already get right? And all suits would get some kind of inherent armor regen like the Minmatar medium/assault. Would the min get a little extra then? It maybe 2 hp/s for other suits and 4 hp/s for mini??
Why would the minis get extra hp/s, surely it would be gallente considering they're armor based... |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
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Posted - 2013.09.07 11:17:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Your Absolut End wrote:We need a dev in here. I see alot of good ideas in here. Lets make dust to the game it should be.
Part of this is defined roles. I want to feel that I'm assault. So make bonus as intended. Helping me do my role while other roles gain other specified advantages. Thats definately the way to go. I'm a caldari assault cko, and compared to the logi cko I'm a pile of sh!t The day I get to assault in an assault suit without being outclassed by a logi, i'll be a VERY happy dust bunny I have both the cal logi and the assault suit, and l have no idea what you're talking about. As a pure combat suit the assault is superior, my build regens 600 hp in a snudge over 10 seconds, try setting that up with the logi suit.... I smell someone needing to either tweak their build or simply step up their game....
compared to the cal logis I play with... yeah I'm not to good |
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