oh no, another one of these threads

I'm trying to stay as unbiased as possible here and give my own personal account of swapping from m/kb to controller back and forth for every round in the last 24 hours. And for comparison's sake (before calling me "just a noob who can't aim), I've consistently had good recent run in Dust, and come from a long history of mainly playing FPS with my friends on PC (counter strike, the battlefield series, unreal tournament, team fortress, etc.)

So...

After the ump-teenth time I was beat out at point blank by a frontline assault-militia AR suit, while my mouse seemed to actively fight away from my target or having someone easily get away when I have the jump on them, with them standing still, crouching, at medium/close range. As soon as I start shooting, all they have to do is step to the left or right, then when I attempt to track, my sights jump from left to right pretty wildly. Every round I played, I had something in the range of a 0.75:1 K/D. What I figured I'd do is try out my controller to see how I'd fair.

With the controller, bearing in mind I am not a console FPS player at all, my first round I went 12-1 (the 1 was a random forge gun hit). My first encounter in that match? I chased a guy up a flight of steps, he turned to shoot at me, I threw my sights up and watched it track, with me not touching the right stick, right to the center of his body. Then he began to strafe, and again, without me even touching the right stick, the iron sight just followed him perfectly.

Over the last 24 hours I've played enough rounds to just about cap-out, the entire time jumping between my mouse and my pad to see if its just me, or if what's going on is totally ridiculous. Turns out, its totally ridiculous. Every fight with the mouse is about a coin flip, at best. Most of the fights with the pad are almost a sure win, which makes sense given that I have an assault suit with a ton of extenders and damage mods. In both cases, the idea of retreating is out the window because no matter how hard of a target I attempt to make myself, nearly every single bullet being fired in my direction manages to connect.

What I'm curious about is the amount of people who think this is good. Or that "m/kb is finally balanced." Which, if you look at the leaderboards, its not riddled with m/kb players, which leads me to think that the input style was pretty well balanced to begin with. And I can say that while playing other Team Players in matches (or ******* around in no-show PC matches), who I know use pad, they managed to usually beat me, or put up just as good of a fight as my mouse was putting out.

Also, if you feel that it is finally "balanced", but you're only a pad player, try plugging in any old usb mouse/keyboard and play a few rounds, just to see how you do. Even if you don't think you'll do good just because its a style you're not used to, keep in mind I did the same with the DS3 and found myself doing better than my preferred controls.

I've tried all kinds of different sensitivities with the mouse, but for some reason its nearly impossible to track anybody. It almost feels like a reverse aim-assist.

Keep in mind, this isn't a big QQ thread. Its just an observation of where the game is right now. Which is basically "everyone is all of a sudden a top FPS player, you all get gold stars, we're all winners here, even you new guys."

And I want to say that I'm still baffled that CCP hasn't fixed the long existing "flowy" feeling mouse controls. They've been busted since Uprising first dropped.

How convenient no pics or anything

I wish you'd have done a few rounds without Aim Assist. A few of us DS3 players don't use it... we die a TON to those who do, but still...

However I noticed most of my deaths came from fighting people with better gear, I didn't face nearly as many MLT noobs as I did pre 1.4.

I can't comment on native mouse sensitivity

Why would I intentionally play with that off? I was wondering why I was all of a sudden a bullet magnet. I'm also not sure why anyone would play with it off. Outside of "pride" or whatever. Which has no place in a game when you're trying to win.

I've never died from so much militia gear. Even when I first started in this game, in militia gear, I never died so often from that dang AR.



My mouse has its own dpi control to help have more control, on top of the game's 1-10 style sensitivity controls. I've tried about a dozen different set ups today, none of them are that good. The best bet is sticking on the low end to help the totally wonky tracking, but then turning around takes about twice as long as a pad.

I've tried all kinds of different sensitivities with the mouse, but for some reason its nearly impossible to track anybody. It almost feels like a reverse aim-assist

so use a DS3?

Nemo, Our background, experience, and results of kbm vs ds3 experiments are virtually the same. Well said, sir....Lead

so use a DS3?

...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support.

FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.'

...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support.

FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.'

Anyone notice that he has 514 likes? Code. Cracked.

Ccp made the controller OP.

Id have to agree with Lead, my experience was spot on.. I haven't set down and used the DS3 in possibly years for a console shooter I believe it was Gears of war I actually tried to put in some time on a controller...

That being said, you would think I would be awful with the DS3 I picked it up yesterday using an AR and went 16-1 my first match and like 20-6 the next..

If i try to use the AR with the mouse its almost impossible and im guessing that's because the way CCP has the mouse emulating a virtual joystick and I have years of experience with the KB/M I've only used the KB/M to play competitive shooters for going on 15yrs now..

Like I said in other threads im not trying to be egotistical or a KB/M elitist (Just giving you some background) but something is not right with the KB/M, im sure here soon, or as im typing this we will get the console fans coming aboard and saying that's because the KB/M shouldn't be used on the ps3..

Well CCP is supporting it, and if they are wanting to keep the KB/M audience something needs to be done, because IMO the KB/M hasn't been right since Chromosome..

And that something that CCP should do IMO, should be raw input especially now that the DS3 has such a good aim assist there is no reason not to get rid of the virtual joystick and go straight KB/M...

Been using mouse since chromosome, just switched to controller last night...

There's no reason to use a mouse in this game anymore, it doesn't benefit from the insane aim assist and the ADS on mouse is completely destroyed. the hip fire is questionable too.

Ccp made the controller OP.

...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support.

FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.'

So you are saying aim assist hurts kbm, how did you do without it? I think I missed that

So you are saying aim assist hurts kbm, how did you do without it? I think I missed that

I think it is coded so that if the mouse is being used aim assist is not an influence

Id have to agree with Lead, my experience was spot on.. I haven't set down and used the DS3 in possibly years for a console shooter I believe it was Gears of war I actually tried to put in some time on a controller...

That being said, you would think I would be awful with the DS3 I picked it up yesterday using an AR and went 16-1 my first match and like 20-6 the next..

If i try to use the AR with the mouse its almost impossible and im guessing that's because the way CCP has the mouse emulating a virtual joystick and I have years of experience with the KB/M I've only used the KB/M to play competitive shooters for going on 15yrs now..

Like I said in other threads im not trying to be egotistical or a KB/M elitist (Just giving you some background) but something is not right with the KB/M, im sure here soon, or as im typing this we will get the console fans coming aboard and saying that's because the KB/M shouldn't be used on the ps3..

Well CCP is supporting it, and if they are wanting to keep the KB/M audience something needs to be done, because IMO the KB/M hasn't been right since Chromosome..

And that something that CCP should do IMO, should be raw input especially now that the DS3 has such a good aim assist there is no reason not to get rid of the virtual joystick and go straight KB/M...

Yeah, I'm not sure what they did in Chromosome but it was dam near perfect for aiming on both DS3 and KBM. Not sure what went wrong or why they can't go back to it.

no it wasnt - it was terrible then too. Its just that it was even worse after that people asked for chromosome back

It wasn't perfect, but it was totally usable.

Somehow, CCP is managing the progressively make the mouse worse and worse. Which is especially painful because every time I hear "aiming is being fixed!" I manage to get excited. Then I start playing and am that much more disappointed.

I would prefer if they just didn't talk about aiming, just try to fix it. That way I wouldn't be disappointed twice on aim-related "fixes".

How convenient no pics or anything

if you feel that it is finally "balanced", but you're only a pad player, try plugging in any old usb mouse/keyboard and play a few rounds, just to see how you do. Even if you don't think you'll do good just because its a style you're not used to, keep in mind I did the same with the DS3 and found myself doing better than my preferred controls.

oh no, another one of these threads

I'm trying to stay as unbiased as possible here and give my own personal account of swapping from m/kb to controller back and forth for every round in the last 24 hours. And for comparison's sake (before calling me "just a noob who can't aim), I've consistently had good recent run in Dust, and come from a long history of mainly playing FPS with my friends on PC (counter strike, the battlefield series, unreal tournament, team fortress, etc.)

So...

After the ump-teenth time I was beat out at point blank by a frontline assault-militia AR suit, while my mouse seemed to actively fight away from my target or having someone easily get away when I have the jump on them, with them standing still, crouching, at medium/close range. As soon as I start shooting, all they have to do is step to the left or right, then when I attempt to track, my sights jump from left to right pretty wildly. Every round I played, I had something in the range of a 0.75:1 K/D. What I figured I'd do is try out my controller to see how I'd fair.

With the controller, bearing in mind I am not a console FPS player at all, my first round I went 12-1 (the 1 was a random forge gun hit). My first encounter in that match? I chased a guy up a flight of steps, he turned to shoot at me, I threw my sights up and watched it track, with me not touching the right stick, right to the center of his body. Then he began to strafe, and again, without me even touching the right stick, the iron sight just followed him perfectly.

Over the last 24 hours I've played enough rounds to just about cap-out, the entire time jumping between my mouse and my pad to see if its just me, or if what's going on is totally ridiculous. Turns out, its totally ridiculous. Every fight with the mouse is about a coin flip, at best. Most of the fights with the pad are almost a sure win, which makes sense given that I have an assault suit with a ton of extenders and damage mods. In both cases, the idea of retreating is out the window because no matter how hard of a target I attempt to make myself, nearly every single bullet being fired in my direction manages to connect.

What I'm curious about is the amount of people who think this is good. Or that "m/kb is finally balanced." Which, if you look at the leaderboards, its not riddled with m/kb players, which leads me to think that the input style was pretty well balanced to begin with. And I can say that while playing other Team Players in matches (or ******* around in no-show PC matches), who I know use pad, they managed to usually beat me, or put up just as good of a fight as my mouse was putting out.

Also, if you feel that it is finally "balanced", but you're only a pad player, try plugging in any old usb mouse/keyboard and play a few rounds, just to see how you do. Even if you don't think you'll do good just because its a style you're not used to, keep in mind I did the same with the DS3 and found myself doing better than my preferred controls.

I've tried all kinds of different sensitivities with the mouse, but for some reason its nearly impossible to track anybody. It almost feels like a reverse aim-assist.

Keep in mind, this isn't a big QQ thread. Its just an observation of where the game is right now. Which is basically "everyone is all of a sudden a top FPS player, you all get gold stars, we're all winners here, even you new guys."

And I want to say that I'm still baffled that CCP hasn't fixed the long existing "flowy" feeling mouse controls. They've been busted since Uprising first dropped.

talk about the vocal minority.

KB/M users make up what? 3-4% of the userbase at max? God you guys sure do like to QQ.

And I want to say that I'm still baffled that CCP hasn't fixed the long existing "flowy" feeling mouse controls. They've been busted since Uprising first dropped.

talk about the vocal minority.

KB/M users make up what? 3-4% of the userbase at max? God you guys sure do like to QQ.

Except the KB/M aiming issue has been noted over and over as something that is getting worse with every release.

And most DS3 users who have any ounce of talent have been complaining about how overkill the aim assist is.

talk about the vocal minority.

KB/M users make up what? 3-4% of the userbase at max? God you guys sure do like to QQ.

[ I have a friend I run with in dust. I run KB/M he runs controller. Before, we usually got comparable warpoints. He has a better K/D than me simply because of a difference in play style. After the change my kill count and WPs per game has dropped in half while his has increase by about 30-50%.

Except the KB/M aiming issue has been noted over and over as something that is getting worse with every release.

And most DS3 users who have any ounce of talent have been complaining about how overkill the aim assist is.

CCP needs to satisfy both camps, input systems will be balanced when there a grudging truce between the two sides.

And when a player comfortable with both input systems is willing to flip a coin to determine which input to use on any given day.

I say it's early days yet, and there's a lot to absorb in the new patch, for us and the devs.

After this weekend we'll no doubt have a selection of decent forensic AA videos which will get the issue on the table and educate the playerbase. I personally don't think it will take too long before we have a system that favours friction over adhesion.

If the mouse gets the attention in 1.5 the DS3 got in 1.4 then within a month we should be evolving our way towards balanced control systems.

As a KB/M user myself I do agree something is off. Initially started playing Dust with the controller, but I've always sucked at FPS using those. I've always done better with a KB/M due to it's just what I'm used to. Now, while my abilities with a KB/M are better then anything using a controller it hasn't made me great. My KDR only went up about .15 to .20 . This was pre-1.4, today i got completely stomped and I was using KB/M.

I think you kb/m players forget to mention that not all mouses are supported, some work way better than others which is whats causing some performance loss for some of you. PS3 wasnt originally made with mouse support, keyboard seems fine for the most part.

The only thing i understand is this : Plz CCP get back KBM better than DS3 again... No
You can be comfortable in your sofa with a DS3... But you prefer use a KBM , why? Simple, having a edge on other
Seriously they cant be balanced so i suggest to everybody to use a DS3... You guys make me sad, you want to have a edge at anyprice, dont lie you started to play with a KBM in the past because that was by far better, first with video game, fun and be comfortable not chest pumping you are good because you use a better equipment

Another complaining guys :/. Its a console game. You dont must play mouse. Playing with mouse is same as AA with pad. Its not as you say. You must track also, or if you want to shoot body like noob then you only stand and hold trigger,smarter ppl aim heads and use tactics to do flanks etc not only run,shoot and die.

Did you try ds3 again?

Oh hai u must be new...
I in fact started playing shooters with mouse before thumb aiming was a thing. I hate that the standard is to leisurely sit on your couch and let a game mechanic aim for you. The console makers had to cater to casual gamers such as yourself which ruined true FPS gameplay. It's not as simple as " if u like mouse go to PC". That market gets expensive... Fast and you have to deal with hackers most often. This game offers a solution to those problems and you kids want to go off on your "thumbs or else" rants instead of going to any / every other game on ps3 that does not offer mouse users this unique opportunity. The mouse is supported by ps3 natively (check accessory setting) and im glad CCP is breaking the mold and "trying" to give players like me who have only used a controller as it was intended ... To play super Mario...

oh no, another one of these threads

I'm trying to stay as unbiased as possible here and give my own personal account of swapping from m/kb to controller back and forth for every round in the last 24 hours. And for comparison's sake (before calling me "just a noob who can't aim), I've consistently had good recent run in Dust, and come from a long history of mainly playing FPS with my friends on PC (counter strike, the battlefield series, unreal tournament, team fortress, etc.)

So...

After the ump-teenth time I was beat out at point blank by a frontline assault-militia AR suit, while my mouse seemed to actively fight away from my target or having someone easily get away when I have the jump on them, with them standing still, crouching, at medium/close range. As soon as I start shooting, all they have to do is step to the left or right, then when I attempt to track, my sights jump from left to right pretty wildly. Every round I played, I had something in the range of a 0.75:1 K/D. What I figured I'd do is try out my controller to see how I'd fair.

With the controller, bearing in mind I am not a console FPS player at all, my first round I went 12-1 (the 1 was a random forge gun hit). My first encounter in that match? I chased a guy up a flight of steps, he turned to shoot at me, I threw my sights up and watched it track, with me not touching the right stick, right to the center of his body. Then he began to strafe, and again, without me even touching the right stick, the iron sight just followed him perfectly.

Over the last 24 hours I've played enough rounds to just about cap-out, the entire time jumping between my mouse and my pad to see if its just me, or if what's going on is totally ridiculous. Turns out, its totally ridiculous. Every fight with the mouse is about a coin flip, at best. Most of the fights with the pad are almost a sure win, which makes sense given that I have an assault suit with a ton of extenders and damage mods. In both cases, the idea of retreating is out the window because no matter how hard of a target I attempt to make myself, nearly every single bullet being fired in my direction manages to connect.

What I'm curious about is the amount of people who think this is good. Or that "m/kb is finally balanced." Which, if you look at the leaderboards, its not riddled with m/kb players, which leads me to think that the input style was pretty well balanced to begin with. And I can say that while playing other Team Players in matches (or ******* around in no-show PC matches), who I know use pad, they managed to usually beat me, or put up just as good of a fight as my mouse was putting out.

Also, if you feel that it is finally "balanced", but you're only a pad player, try plugging in any old usb mouse/keyboard and play a few rounds, just to see how you do. Even if you don't think you'll do good just because its a style you're not used to, keep in mind I did the same with the DS3 and found myself doing better than my preferred controls.

I've tried all kinds of different sensitivities with the mouse, but for some reason its nearly impossible to track anybody. It almost feels like a reverse aim-assist.

Keep in mind, this isn't a big QQ thread. Its just an observation of where the game is right now. Which is basically "everyone is all of a sudden a top FPS player, you all get gold stars, we're all winners here, even you new guys."

And I want to say that I'm still baffled that CCP hasn't fixed the long existing "flowy" feeling mouse controls. They've been busted since Uprising first dropped.

Each "test" you performed in uncontrolled environment is not reliable - and that's it .

I'm not a console FPS player, but I am a PC m/kb player.

How is it possible that I out-do myself, consistently, by using a control scheme that I never use over the one I grew up playing FPS on?

I must be such a natural.

Each "test" you performed in uncontrolled environment is not reliable - and that's it .

...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support.

FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.'

K/M users AKA PC fanboys. If you guys don't like Aim assist on a console then GTFO. Go crawl back to your PC.

Spoken like a true d*ck head

Just another "this is fine, so is m/kb" denier.

You must be one of the PC fanboys, so i'll tell you this either learn how to use a controller or go cry back to your PC.

You must be one of the PC fanboys, so i'll tell you this either learn how to use a controller or go cry back to your PC.

K/M users AKA PC fanboys. If you guys don't like Aim assist on a console then GTFO. Go crawl back to your PC.

There's lots of people who play fighting games with controller. Yes most of the pros use fight sticks but there are some who use controller. It's not as wrong as you think. There is no gamer rule book that says FPS is only played on KB/M

I found that if you turn Aim Assist off in the DS3 options it makes using the mouse more fluid for me.

You must be one of the PC fanboys, so i'll tell you this either learn how to use a controller or go cry back to your PC.

my point is if its that bad for KBM at the moment use the DS3 - you have one

CCP have already said KBM controls will get looked at/ reworked for 1.5

To your last point. tbh, i dont think they should have put KBM into this game. They should have stuck with one input device - DS3 as its a console. It would have made CCPs life easier

As a KB/M user myself I do agree something is off. Initially started playing Dust with the controller, but I've always sucked at FPS using those. I've always done better with a KB/M due to it's just what I'm used to. Now, while my abilities with a KB/M are better then anything using a controller it hasn't made me great. My KDR only went up about .15 to .20 . This was pre-1.4, today i got completely stomped and I was using KB/M.

the mouse simply do not behave like it should....

I'll have to concur with many KB/M users in this thread. Something is way off. Sure the AA is raping me, I expect that, but I should be able to track manually as good (like I used to) with my mouse.

I have a 5600 DPI (variable) mouse and tried all kinds of DPI settings, then tweaked the sensitivity in the game settings all to no avail. Going 2/32 (yeah as a scout) was just too much **** for me.

The only thing I have noticed is on my logi char I enabled "Mouse Smoothing", which "seemed" to help, but I need to test more to be sure.

Would be nice to get a response from a Dev on the plans for kb/m..

As far as I know they want to introduce seperate ADS and hipfire speeds (although this would be true for DS3 users as well this would help)