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Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 505	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:14:00 - [1] - Quote oh no, another one of these threads I'm trying to stay as unbiased as possible here and give my own personal account of swapping from m/kb to controller back and forth for every round in the last 24 hours. And for comparison's sake (before calling me "just a noob who can't aim), I've consistently had good recent run in Dust, and come from a long history of mainly playing FPS with my friends on PC (counter strike, the battlefield series, unreal tournament, team fortress, etc.) So... After the ump-teenth time I was beat out at point blank by a frontline assault-militia AR suit, while my mouse seemed to actively fight away from my target or having someone easily get away when I have the jump on them, with them standing still, crouching, at medium/close range. As soon as I start shooting, all they have to do is step to the left or right, then when I attempt to track, my sights jump from left to right pretty wildly. Every round I played, I had something in the range of a 0.75:1 K/D. What I figured I'd do is try out my controller to see how I'd fair. With the controller, bearing in mind I am not a console FPS player at all, my first round I went 12-1 (the 1 was a random forge gun hit). My first encounter in that match? I chased a guy up a flight of steps, he turned to shoot at me, I threw my sights up and watched it track, with me not touching the right stick, right to the center of his body. Then he began to strafe, and again, without me even touching the right stick, the iron sight just followed him perfectly. Over the last 24 hours I've played enough rounds to just about cap-out, the entire time jumping between my mouse and my pad to see if its just me, or if what's going on is totally ridiculous. Turns out, its totally ridiculous. Every fight with the mouse is about a coin flip, at best. Most of the fights with the pad are almost a sure win, which makes sense given that I have an assault suit with a ton of extenders and damage mods. In both cases, the idea of retreating is out the window because no matter how hard of a target I attempt to make myself, nearly every single bullet being fired in my direction manages to connect. What I'm curious about is the amount of people who think this is good. Or that "m/kb is finally balanced." Which, if you look at the leaderboards, its not riddled with m/kb players, which leads me to think that the input style was pretty well balanced to begin with. And I can say that while playing other Team Players in matches (or ******* around in no-show PC matches), who I know use pad, they managed to usually beat me, or put up just as good of a fight as my mouse was putting out. Also, if you feel that it is finally "balanced", but you're only a pad player, try plugging in any old usb mouse/keyboard and play a few rounds, just to see how you do. Even if you don't think you'll do good just because its a style you're not used to, keep in mind I did the same with the DS3 and found myself doing better than my preferred controls. I've tried all kinds of different sensitivities with the mouse, but for some reason its nearly impossible to track anybody. It almost feels like a reverse aim-assist. Keep in mind, this isn't a big QQ thread. Its just an observation of where the game is right now. Which is basically "everyone is all of a sudden a top FPS player, you all get gold stars, we're all winners here, even you new guys." And I want to say that I'm still baffled that CCP hasn't fixed the long existing "flowy" feeling mouse controls. They've been busted since Uprising first dropped.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 510	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: How convenient no pics or anything Pics of what? The scoreboard? I don't sit around with a camera taking scoreboard pictures.... (I also don't have a smart phone which would make uploading them really convenient) If you want me to make a document for you... since, you don't believe what I'm saying, that, I'm not sure if you noticed, is a generally accepted observation of how the game is currently played, I can start for you.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 510	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:21:00 - [3] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I wish you'd have done a few rounds without Aim Assist. A few of us DS3 players don't use it... we die a TON to those who do, but still... Why would I intentionally play with that off? I was wondering why I was all of a sudden a bullet magnet. I'm also not sure why anyone would play with it off. Outside of "pride" or whatever. Which has no place in a game when you're trying to win.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 511	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: However I noticed most of my deaths came from fighting people with better gear, I didn't face nearly as many MLT noobs as I did pre 1.4. I've never died from so much militia gear. Even when I first started in this game, in militia gear, I never died so often from that dang AR. ZDub 303 wrote: I can't comment on native mouse sensitivity My mouse has its own dpi control to help have more control, on top of the game's 1-10 style sensitivity controls. I've tried about a dozen different set ups today, none of them are that good. The best bet is sticking on the low end to help the totally wonky tracking, but then turning around takes about twice as long as a pad.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote xAckie wrote: so use a DS3? ...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support. FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.'
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:59:00 - [6] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: Anyone notice that he has 514 likes? Code. Cracked.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Ccp made the controller OP. Haha, I made the same joke yesterday.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:12:00 - [8] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: So you are saying aim assist hurts kbm, how did you do without it? I think I missed that I'm saying that the kbm's tracking is absolutely awful, and the aim assist on the controllers is too high. And I'm saying this with using both for hours that one is objectively, entirely better than the other.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:15:00 - [9] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: So you are saying aim assist hurts kbm, how did you do without it? I think I missed that I think it is coded so that if the mouse is being used aim assist is not an influence There is definitely no aim assist for mouse. I even attempted to recreate aiming with a controller with the mouse to see if it magneted the way the controller does, but it didn't take. I also saw no difference in the mouse controls with assist on or off.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:22:00 - [10] - Quote xAckie wrote: McFurious wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure what they did in Chromosome but it was dam near perfect for aiming on both DS3 and KBM. Not sure what went wrong or why they can't go back to it. no it wasnt - it was terrible then too. Its just that it was even worse after that people asked for chromosome back It wasn't perfect, but it was totally usable. Somehow, CCP is managing the progressively make the mouse worse and worse. Which is especially painful because every time I hear "aiming is being fixed!" I manage to get excited. Then I start playing and am that much more disappointed. I would prefer if they just didn't talk about aiming, just try to fix it. That way I wouldn't be disappointed twice on aim-related "fixes".

Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 536	Posted - 2013.09.06 22:30:00 - [11] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: talk about the vocal minority. KB/M users make up what? 3-4% of the userbase at max? God you guys sure do like to QQ. Except the KB/M aiming issue has been noted over and over as something that is getting worse with every release. And most DS3 users who have any ounce of talent have been complaining about how overkill the aim assist is.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 559	Posted - 2013.09.07 16:15:00 - [12] - Quote I've recently just spec'd into level 1 sniper. I've had more fun just basically AFK'ing around with a proto suit and a ton of damage mods with the sensitivity low as balls, trying to headshot other snipers I find around the map than actually attempting any kind of actually up close fighting (knowing that if I win its totally luck based at this point). The DS3 just doesn't do it for me. Its objectively better, but its just not fun for me.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 560	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:55:00 - [13] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Each "test" you performed in uncontrolled environment is not reliable - and that's it . I'm not a console FPS player, but I am a PC m/kb player. How is it possible that I out-do myself, consistently, by using a control scheme that I never use over the one I grew up playing FPS on? I must be such a natural.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 560	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:56:00 - [14] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Each "test" you performed in uncontrolled environment is not reliable - and that's it . I'm not a console FPS player, but I am a PC m/kb player. How is it possible that I out-do myself, consistently, by using a control scheme that I never use over the one I grew up playing FPS on? I must be such a natural. Just another "this is fine, so is m/kb" denier.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 578	Posted - 2013.09.08 06:02:00 - [15] - Quote Jayquan18 wrote: XiBravo wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: K/M users AKA PC fanboys. If you guys don't like Aim assist on a console then GTFO. Go crawl back to your PC. Spoken like a true d*ck head You must be one of the PC fanboys, so i'll tell you this either learn how to use a controller or go cry back to your PC. #CCPmkbsupport #CCPmovesupport #you'reafuckingidiot.com
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 578	Posted - 2013.09.08 06:05:00 - [16] - Quote Jayquan18 wrote: K/M users AKA PC fanboys. If you guys don't like Aim assist on a console then GTFO. Go crawl back to your PC. "you must have noticed a total change in the entire core mechanic of this game that supports both mouse/keyboard and move controls, but aren't using the one control style that I prefer so you need to crawl back to your other way to play video games and I'm a ******* idiot." - You
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 582	Posted - 2013.09.08 17:24:00 - [17] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Nemo Bluntz wrote: xAckie wrote: so use a DS3? ...the only reason I play this game is for the m/kb controls. There are a ton of better PS3 FPS out there, that I still wouldn't like, because they don't have native m/kb support. FPS with a controller is playing a fighting game with a controller instead of a fight stick. Its just 'not right.' There's lots of people who play fighting games with controller. Yes most of the pros use fight sticks but there are some who use controller. It's not as wrong as you think. There is no gamer rule book that says FPS is only played on KB/M You must have misread my point there. I was talking for myself. I personally don't like fighting games without stick, and I personally don't like FPS without m/kb.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 586	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: I found that if you turn Aim Assist off in the DS3 options it makes using the mouse more fluid for me. I tried both, saw no difference. Same with mouse smoothing. I always played with both assist and smoothing off. I think the mouse and the DS3 "kick in" when you use them. Try to jump immediately from the mouse to the right stick, it pauses for a split second.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 602	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:32:00 - [19] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: M McManus wrote: Would be nice to get a response from a Dev on the plans for kb/m.. As far as I know they want to introduce seperate ADS and hipfire speeds (although this would be true for DS3 users as well this would help) That would definitely help, but wouldn't fix the over messed up feel the mouse has anyway.

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