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noobsniper the 2nd
The Corporate Raiders
48
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:11:00 -
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dial back aim assit to 15% or so at least you still need to try to aim... |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
726
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:43:00 -
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scrub signing in... GOOD JOB CCP!
now if only you guys could nerf the QQ |
Chrome HD
Cassardis
12
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:43:00 -
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I actually like the way you had to aim on your own before cause that was part of the grind for me now everyones dropping like flies just with a Militia AR you actually had to try and put a fitting together and work your way up the skill Tree to be a decent player now even new players are getting in double digits or players just running with Militia gear. (Thats just my opinion)
No QQ'ing here. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
593
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:53:00 -
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Chrome HD wrote:I actually like the way you had to aim on your own before cause that was part of the grind for me now everyones dropping like flies just with a Militia AR you actually had to try and put a fitting together and work your way up the skill Tree to be a decent player now even new players are getting in double digits or players just running with Militia gear. (Thats just my opinion)
No QQ'ing here.
Thats kind of the issue, nothing wrong with players have an equal chance at achieving similar results but when the game implements assist to the point that user input is essentially irrelevant then the game no longer allows for players to compete on the basis of individual merit but rather a matter of who lucks out on the better end of the computers tracking system.
It really just goes to show how much this playerbase is apart of the carebear society of Dust and likely the worst PVP players to play any game. They are better off playing pure PVE and perhaps are better suited for Defiance or Borderlands (though some might have issues in BL2 given its aim assist isnt nearly as forgiving as it is here. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
841
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:54:00 -
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Or another Idea |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
335
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:56:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Michael Arck wrote:So this is some elite thing where every "pro" player gets on folks who use aim assist? If you that good you will to still kill em. It shouldn't even be a problem for you. Sounds like a scrub who needs the game to do the work for you and give you your reward. I blame you and all players like you for the dumbing down of video games to the sheer stupid levels that exist today. Its why PVP in almost every game has turned to crap because the moment 90% of the people realize they are **** and have no coordination of understanding of games they cry like inept children to the devs to make it easier so they can feel the joy of having succeed but its an empty shallow victory when someone hands it to you. Used to be you had to work at games, they took time to get better at and master. That was a source of enjoyment in itself, now causal carebear scrubs like you insist that gaming cater to you because you're voice matters equal to mine (it doesn't; scrubs ought to be treated like 2nd class citizens and jesters for the amusement of the leet). Nothing wrong with a little assistance but this playerbase has always been trash personified in terms of gaming skill, i mean what can we expect from a base whose claim to PVP is tracking computers and autopiliot tab targeting disguised as a skillful PVP encounter, (yea EVE PVPers are trash rejects who cant hack it in real PVP games). So i understand why you feel the game owes you a level playing field in terms of mechanics, the irony of this isnt lost on me about the HTFU crowd asking for all sorts of gimmicks and tricks for them to be able to compete. Gaming industry and CCP has ruined you into believing you had a talent for gaming when really you were just a monkey they need to stare at a screen and occupy a space in a virtual setting.
Yea that sounds about right |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
522
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:00:00 -
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LOL @ everyone trying to survive more. Clearly do not like COD/Battlefield. Tell you what with how ridiculous strafe speeds are in this game, KB/M support and huge amounts of health aim assist is just a tiny help to make us DS3 users to be competitive at this game. Reduce strafe speeds, remove KB/M support and decrease total health then we won't mind not having aim assist. Tracking and CQC is ridiculous without aim assist. Pray and spray shooter.
-XOXO |
The Loathing
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
225
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:21:00 -
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The Loathing wrote:I'm yet to get a decent look at aim assist to give an informed opinion, but last night after DT Duvolles were the new Mass Driver. My Complex Shield Extenders were just tissue paper with the new level of accuracy these weapons have with the new aim assist. I'll test my Scrambler properly tonight to give myself a good look at it, but ARs were not that effective before DT. And no damage mods could have the impact I faced.
Ok, so I got to have a decent go of the Scrambler last night with Aim Assist on. I can absolutely say the difference in the performance of the weapon is noticeable and my results were also noticeably improved. I would not go so far as to say it is aimbot God Mode tho. It's just made the Rifles a far more accurate weapon.
It's probably sad times for Mass Driver users as they gain no benefit from the feature, so that has been a slight negative for me. However, if I feel I can't compete with ol' faithful Exo-5 then the simple answer is switch to rifles. I owned with the scrambler and I only have it skilled to operation level 3. It's just an adaptation game now.
I'm pretty sure we will see less MD spamming because of this, but I'm not sure the complaints will stop. They will just now be focused on Scrambler and Duvolle users. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
The Corporate Raiders
958
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:22:00 -
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too busy playing diablo 3 to even care about this collossal mess anymore
bringing back aim bot after the community demanded it's removal a year ago is obvious they're just grasping for straws now |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
463
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:58:00 -
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For ****'s sake. Does no one understand the handicap that comes along with using AA? You keep saying it...Hip-Fire. How many people with AA get head shots consistently? Free-Aim allows you to shoot into the head with better precision. Blah. And now you guys are whining because of this?
HARDEN THE **** UP. I'm using Free-Aim and it's barely a difference for me. In fact, I just smacked someone down with hip-fire. I bet you they think I'm using AA just because the hits REGISTERED.
Weak mercenaries calling others scrubs because they can't deal with AA being improved...
Edit: And actually having a better hit-box too. |
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
212
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:25:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Let them have their QQ sessions. They will find a new way to torment us 'scrubs' back into the dirt. Beast players always have been, and always will be beast players. The game is now fun for more than just the 'Elite' and that is that.
This. Now speed up earning skill point to help the scrubs out more. Oh they did. Theyre on the right track. Hire more people CCP! Get er done! |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
488
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:33:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I completely agree. I've played a lot of shooters with some form of aim assist, but this is pathetic. I tested it out briefly after several of my fellow corp members said how OP it was, and I was amazed at how good it made hipfire. Downed a heavy's shield from about twenty meters with it and wasn't even ADS'ing. I really hope they get rid of this **** so people who actually bother to aim can be rewarded.
Aim Assist: Always Off. wait until m/kb get fix youll change ur mind very fast
I play with KBM and i seem not to have any issues with people who might or might not have their assist on, because with the changes to KBM aiming in general, if they need Aim Assist to hit me, they dont have the reaction speed they need to compete with me and are long dead before they know i am firing at em.
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
212
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:39:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Michael Arck wrote:So this is some elite thing where every "pro" player gets on folks who use aim assist? If you that good you will to still kill em. It shouldn't even be a problem for you. Sounds like a scrub who needs the game to do the work for you and give you your reward. I blame you and all players like you for the dumbing down of video games to the sheer stupid levels that exist today. Its why PVP in almost every game has turned to crap because the moment 90% of the people realize they are **** and have no coordination of understanding of games they cry like inept children to the devs to make it easier so they can feel the joy of having succeed but its an empty shallow victory when someone hands it to you. Used to be you had to work at games, they took time to get better at and master. That was a source of enjoyment in itself, now causal carebear scrubs like you insist that gaming cater to you because you're voice matters equal to mine (it doesn't; scrubs ought to be treated like 2nd class citizens and jesters for the amusement of the leet). Nothing wrong with a little assistance but this playerbase has always been trash personified in terms of gaming skill, i mean what can we expect from a base whose claim to PVP is tracking computers and autopiliot tab targeting disguised as a skillful PVP encounter, (yea EVE PVPers are trash rejects who cant hack it in real PVP games). So i understand why you feel the game owes you a level playing field in terms of mechanics, the irony of this isnt lost on me about the HTFU crowd asking for all sorts of gimmicks and tricks for them to be able to compete. Gaming industry and CCP has ruined you into believing you had a talent for gaming when really you were just a monkey they need to stare at a screen and occupy a space in a virtual setting. Yea that sounds about right
You're in a sci fi combat robo suit. It's not gonna help you aim? The more skilled team with better tactics and execution will still win. Leets can still distinguish themselves. The game is supposed to be fun, not just a place for neckbeards to proto stomp all day. We aren't here to feed your egos. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1630
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:39:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:true story tho.....dust isnt an rpg So in Dust character progression or say improving weapons isnt achieved by earning and spending SP then?
MMO aspects taken from eve are what you speak of. These things also do not make an rpg. Mag let you level up. Mag isnt an rpg. Leveling up does not equal rpg. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
207
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:43:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Cause only scrubs will tell you there is hardly a difference and only scrubs will tell you that it isnt over assiting, the damn weapon sways right to target, If you cant see it then your aim clearly is trash and you must jerk your reticle all over the place to not see it.
Ged gud scrubs dust wont be around long enough to get you better prepared for more skilled games.
Then again just another step in the direction of all CCP PVE games. Laughably ez mode, no thinking involved and let the computer do all the work. Man those EVE PVE PROs (lol) must be dying to try out the new turned based mode coming soon. But if its unnoticeable to noobs then mabey it's because good players can aim anyway But it's bad on the people who try to play any role witch requires to get anywhere near the scrubs who claim that they are good now. Hell, it's now ******* impossible to get kills with this aimbot on with my Scout suits..... Funny, cause I've been going 12-1 on average with nothing but a militia scout suit between hacks. Aim assist on or off made no difference to my kdr, shots just seem to register more with it on though. After playing other fps games you can usually feel when a shot ought to be hitting and aim assist seems to have fixed that server imbalance that would cause a lead or lag of the hitbox over the character. The "pro" players are just hipsters that did better at a broken system than people coming in from any other fps (anyone coming in from outside of dust will tell you the aiming has been messed up) and now they are upset because they will have to change their gungame. And before you try to call me an AR scrub don't even bother, I play almost every role on the field, including assault sniping ( right in the battlefield, no redlining so dont even bother trying that line) and as a sniper my gameplay has to change EVERY minor update. So to all these "purist" hipsters: you are "pro" at a faulty system, get used to it, stop whining and HTFU please, it's getting old. what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no likes, and may God have mercy on your soul...
If you cannot comprehend a word of what I said then you, sir, are the idiot. Rambling? No, I was simply eliminating pointless and endless arguments before they were brought up by people like, huh... well, YOU. If you are going to diss me at least have the balls and intelligence to prove anything I said wrong.
What I typed here has been echoed throughout the forums dozens of times since I posted it, clearly your response is a sad form of defensive diversion since my posts are derailing or at least intelligently contradicting a large part of your "argument". Best of all, I am not even saying that aim assist should remain as it is, what I have been saying is that the fps mechanics for dust have, until now at least, been largely ****** up and aim assist (at least in my experience, CCP has since stated that results are sporadic) has at least done something to help fix some of the aiming glitches plaguing this game.
Funnily enough, some of the very same people complaining now are the ones that were endlessly QQ'ing about the broken aiming and unexplainable errant or nonexistent shot registers before.
One of the reasons so many new players are turned off of this game is because of those poor mechanics involving hitboxes randomly trailing or leading an opponent based on their server speed. This is something that many of us ended up "getting used to" making us better than other players, however, it has always been stated that those mechanics were not working as intended.
Basically, in the end, the people who say they are "pro" at this game are really just players who have better adapted to a faulty and temporary battle style and the people who are left whining are he hipsters that are afraid of change and think its cool to boast about how cool they are for being old school.
I honestly cannot think of any way to further explain this to you, if you still claim you don't get it you are either beyond the hope of your local education system or a 10 year old with proficient writing skills.
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
594
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:47:00 -
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Jinx Rollin wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Cause only scrubs will tell you there is hardly a difference and only scrubs will tell you that it isnt over assiting, the damn weapon sways right to target, If you cant see it then your aim clearly is trash and you must jerk your reticle all over the place to not see it.
Ged gud scrubs dust wont be around long enough to get you better prepared for more skilled games.
Then again just another step in the direction of all CCP PVE games. Laughably ez mode, no thinking involved and let the computer do all the work. Man those EVE PVE PROs (lol) must be dying to try out the new turned based mode coming soon. Do you even play? 0 kills, 0.0 kdr, 0.64 w/l it's called an alt. most vets have several bc weve all been banned at one point or another |
SHOCKNOFSKY
H.Y.S.T.E.R.I.A
8
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:50:00 -
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I do not like the aim assist. |
Tuna the Fish
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
87
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:57:00 -
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Cause only scrubs will tell you there is hardly a difference and only scrubs will tell you that it isnt over assiting, the damn weapon sways right to target, If you cant see it then your aim clearly is trash and you must jerk your reticle all over the place to not see it.
Ged gud scrubs dust wont be around long enough to get you better prepared for more skilled games.
Then again just another step in the direction of all CCP PVE games. Laughably ez mode, no thinking involved and let the computer do all the work. Man those EVE PVE PROs (lol) must be dying to try out the new turned based mode coming soon. I haven't had a chance to try 1.4 yet so this comment has nothing to say regarding whether its bad, good, or op. I do have to comment about the original poster and just wanted to point out logic would dispute your assertion that only those who can't aim are the ones saying its not even noticeable. In fact it would be quite the opposite if you really are horrible at aiming you will notice the difference it would be the people who are good at aiming that would not notice the assist since their aim is already on the target. That is all I wanted to add to the conversation just my observation of your idiocy.
I'm glad I read through the comments before posting. I was about to say the exact same thing. Thanks for saving me the time. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
323
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:33:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:xAckie wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:true story tho.....dust isnt an rpg So in Dust character progression or say improving weapons isnt achieved by earning and spending SP then? MMO aspects taken from eve are what you speak of. These things also do not make an rpg. Mag let you level up. Mag isnt an rpg. Leveling up does not equal rpg.
No. Mmo means massive multiplayer. (Dust may claim this but personally I don't think it is. It still comes down to 16v16 )
Mag had elements of an rpg system (any levelling system does ). Dust has taken the rpg idea/ system though. The fact is my suit or weapons get stronger by spending SP or can access better equipment at higher levels on a progressive skill tree.
Rpg is about character progression. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
729
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:55:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:true story tho.....dust isnt an rpg No. Mmo means massive multiplayer. (Dust may claim this but personally I don't think it is. It still comes down to 16v16 ) Mag had elements of an rpg system (any levelling system does ). Dust has taken the rpg idea/ system though. The fact is my suit or weapons get stronger by spending SP or can access better equipment at higher levels on a progressive skill tree. Rpg is about character progression.
I think you guys forget what rpg stands for... ROLE PLAYING GAME....4 races with rich lore and various classes to spec into... are you playing the role of one of these races, are you playing a role in the class you chose? is this a game?... I think the criteria is met....now lets get back to the aim assist QQ, its so much more entertaining |
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
213
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Posted - 2013.09.06 04:32:00 -
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Never mind what i said before. Aimbot is horribly OP. I'm getting taken down super fast, no skill involved. As KBM user nothings changed for me except it seems like hit detection is worse. This is the first really frustrating thing for me in 3 months that is making DUST unplayable. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
873
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Posted - 2013.09.06 04:54:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Aim assist have been present in console FPS's for the last 12 years or so.. The first major user? Halo 2001. Why? Because it's harder to aim with your thumb than your whole ******* arm. If you want to get rid of the aim assist then get rid of the mouse and we have a deal. Honestly the idea of everyone playing with the DS3 with no aim assist is funny as ****. Gun battles will last 5 minutes plus if mano e mano.
I actually Use DS3. Im ACTUALLY AGAINST mouse support because they give an unfair advantage to players that can afford them (IMO , i might be wrong)...
And still
I WANT THIS FREAKN AIM ASSIST OUT.
I did good before because im decently skilled. But now i do the same as before but with every single scrub being able to kill me while only shooting in my general direction. Being a scout was already pretty bad....
NOT FUN. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
220
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Posted - 2013.09.06 04:56:00 -
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The aim assist makes the aiming the same as any other consol shooter for me. Keep it as is |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
875
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Posted - 2013.09.06 04:59:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The aim assist makes the aiming the same as any other console shooter....
EXACTLY.
As it is i might just Buy BF4 and play it since its going to be '' same as any other console shooter'' but with less bugs,better graphics,balanced weapons,etcetc...
The good thing about dust is that (ehem , at least in CQ ) You needed skill. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
224
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Posted - 2013.09.06 05:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The aim assist makes the aiming the same as any other console shooter.... EXACTLY.As it is i might just Buy BF4 and play it since its going to be '' same as any other console shooter'' but with less bugs,better graphics,balanced weapons,etcetc...
The good thing about dust is that (ehem , at least in CQ ) You needed skill. The reason consoles use aim assist is to make a controler match the accuraccy of a mouse. The fact that your defending the previously bad aim by saying "it takes skill!" is just sad. Controlers will ALWAYS have aim assist, you can turn yours off if you dont want it. |
Chimeric Destiny
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:18:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The aim assist makes the aiming the same as any other console shooter.... EXACTLY.As it is i might just Buy BF4 and play it since its going to be '' same as any other console shooter'' but with less bugs,better graphics,balanced weapons,etcetc...
The good thing about dust is that (ehem , at least in CQ ) You needed skill. The reason consoles use aim assist is to make a controler match the accuraccy of a mouse. The fact that your defending the previously bad aim by saying "it takes skill!" is just sad. Controlers will ALWAYS have aim assist, you can turn yours off if you dont want it.
I dont think most people are defending the uprising aim, it was terrible. But chromosome had aim assist and it wasnt nearly this bad. So far all the support ive seen for this new type of aim assist has come from some of the worst shooter players i have seen. It really is getting closer to a tab target carebearfest with these changes. All these nimrods who talk about aim assist on consoles as standard fair appear to be mostly PC players.
Players who play FPS on console have seen varying degrees of aim assist on console shooters and most of them often give a minor assist to reticlee postion on intial placement to target, once that is completed the user is still required to maintain that cursor over the individual which is very easy to do once a player adjust their sensitivities to their preference.
Over the years developers have gotten better at giving more sensitivity options for hip and ADS fire as the primary issues with ds3 aiming is hipfire and turning are both a function of the right joystick (unless you use other movement schemes) this is less of an issue on PC since mouse users can adjust their DPI on the fly and have rapid turning and adjust their dpi for more precise control when hipfiring and/or ADS.
But this particular ADS is as strong or stronger then what is seen on COD. It as turned Dust into an arcade twitch shooter and its laughable to reading all these threads about people who claim that this makes the more game tactical. By that logic COD is the most tactical shooter of all time. Scrub harder. |
lDocHollidayl
Ancient Exiles
256
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:15:00 -
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Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Wow...you are one angry little puppy aren't you Keyser? Annoyed because you can't kerb stomp Noobs anymore... Mad because CCP leveled out the playing field ever so slightly.. I like how many times you used the word SCRUB in your posts on here because it perfectly describes you and your attitude... Hopefully we'll run into each other out there and you can show me how "skilled" you are *sniggers*
Haven't seen Keyser in this game in months. So you or anyone will not be running into him. CCP would benefit from managing the forums to allow posts from active players. The forum warriors really pollute the environment... should get an interview and write a book on relevance, self awareness, self esteem and the gamers who lack all three but can not reconcile such. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:19:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Wow...you are one angry little puppy aren't you Keyser? Annoyed because you can't kerb stomp Noobs anymore... Mad because CCP leveled out the playing field ever so slightly.. I like how many times you used the word SCRUB in your posts on here because it perfectly describes you and your attitude... Hopefully we'll run into each other out there and you can show me how "skilled" you are *sniggers* Haven't seen Keyser in this game in months. So you or anyone will not be running into him. CCP would benefit from managing the forums to allow posts from active players. The forum warriors really pollute the environment... should get an interview and write a book on relevance, self awareness, self esteem and the gamers who lack all three but can not reconcile such. Says the guy whose in a corp that melee glitches to win. |
lDocHollidayl
Ancient Exiles
256
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:42:00 -
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New book, " Stigmas, rumors, stereotyping and why there are so many "sheep" and so few shepherds."
"Reasons Americans today would have given "any murderous hateful dictator from the past"a landslide victory in a presidential race."
Long Evity are you available to chat? |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
457
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:46:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Cause only scrubs will tell you there is hardly a difference and only scrubs will tell you that it isnt over assiting, the damn weapon sways right to target, If you cant see it then your aim clearly is trash and you must jerk your reticle all over the place to not see it.
Ged gud scrubs dust wont be around long enough to get you better prepared for more skilled games.
Then again just another step in the direction of all CCP PVE games. Laughably ez mode, no thinking involved and let the computer do all the work. Man those EVE PVE PROs (lol) must be dying to try out the new turned based mode coming soon. Stop playing video games you selfish tryhard. Not everybody plays games to be a worthless show off like you. |
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