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Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 551	Posted - 2013.09.01 06:20:00 - [1] - Quote Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways.
Moronic Farce Goonfeet Top Men. 90	Posted - 2013.09.01 06:27:00 - [2] - Quote Umm alright.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1473	Posted - 2013.09.01 06:53:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways. Ave Chosen. We are honoured to fight beside you.
Galm Fae Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.09.01 07:00:00 - [4] - Quote Propaganda. How cute. Invading Matari space is still a **** move though.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 403	Posted - 2013.09.01 07:01:00 - [5] - Quote And this interests me how?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1473	Posted - 2013.09.01 07:50:00 - [6] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: And this interests me how? Its not designed to entertain you Mr Kalamari. Faith is something to be praised.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1411	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:10:00 - [7] - Quote Do know that the Amarr Empire itself is a Minmatar supporter, just not a Minmatar Republic supporter.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 403	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:16:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: And this interests me how? Its not designed to entertain you Mr Kalamari. Faith is something to be praised. My entertainment is not the point, shouting every petty little event that happens, regardless of race or corporation is my point. This is the Intergalactic Summit, not the Intergalactic Notice Board
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1474	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:24:00 - [9] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: True Adamance wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: And this interests me how? Its not designed to entertain you Mr Kalamari. Faith is something to be praised. My entertainment is not the point, shouting every petty little event that happens, regardless of race or corporation is my point. This is the Intergalactic Summit, not the Intergalactic Notice Board Unfortunately we seem to have no really issue to discuss at this moment. Perhaps the Reclaiming, Perhaps Operation Highlander, but until more is released to the presses we can do little more than speculate.
21yrOld Knight High-Damage 90	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:59:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways. You know I'm sure that's what people think about me. "What this dude is preaching against the amarr then suddenly starts to fight with them. He must be unstable." My mind changed to fight with the amarr not because of religious values but because of the fact that there is not a lot of talented mercs fighting for them. Its the main idea of supply and demand. The demand for mercs to fight for the empire is much higher then the supply at the moment. Which means I can earn a lot more isk even if i fight for the loosing side. So what I am saying is that your reasoning seems rather stagnate. ( I am trying to just add to the discussion I hope we can see some more events like caldari prime. Difficult to talk about stuff beside news )

Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 403	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:32:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Unfortunately we seem to have no really issue to discuss at this moment. Perhaps the Reclaiming, Perhaps Operation Highlander, but until more is released to the presses we can do little more than speculate. You do not need news to have a discussion, there's plenty of discussion to be had about the different faiths in New Eden for instance. There's moral problems to argue, even announcements for upcoming events can spur some discussion. But just announcing: "Hey, I'm leaving now so, yeah, just thought you'd want to know, y'know, okay?", doesn't have much to discuss about.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 1	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:19:00 - [12] - Quote There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1427	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:30:00 - [13] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: True Adamance wrote: Unfortunately we seem to have no really issue to discuss at this moment. Perhaps the Reclaiming, Perhaps Operation Highlander, but until more is released to the presses we can do little more than speculate. You do not need news to have a discussion, there's plenty of discussion to be had about the different faiths in New Eden for instance. There's moral problems to argue, even announcements for upcoming events can spur some discussion. But just announcing: "Hey, I'm leaving now so, yeah, just thought you'd want to know, y'know, okay?", doesn't have much to discuss about. I am sorry the IGS has not conformed to your every expectation, Sir Kalamari.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1487	Posted - 2013.09.01 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2125	Posted - 2013.09.06 21:58:00 - [15] - Quote Another one bites the Dust.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 2	Posted - 2013.09.06 23:45:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call me a dog? When you are the one that does the Empire's bidding without questioning it and does so happily. You are but a slave to the Empire. no better than a dog.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 240	Posted - 2013.09.06 23:58:00 - [17] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. The Empire has existed in more or less its current form for thousands of years, soldier. No other of the four great powers can say as much. If it were just a "matter of time," the time should long since have come and gone. Even the Minmatar uprising required not one, but two major outside actors to provide the opportunity: the Jove at Vak'Atioth and the Gallente who armed the Matari. The stability of the Empire is a great merit, but a sad truth for those who would prefer to evade its control: once under its sway, few cultures have pulled free. "Rights" and "freedoms" are historical anomalies, soldier. Humanity has spent most of its history under one autocratic system or another. It remains to be seen whether democracy is robust enough to withstand the trials of history, but Amarrian feudalism has already stood the test of time long enough that it is foolish to expect it to collapse under its own weight.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1716	Posted - 2013.09.07 00:14:00 - [18] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so. They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people. It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner. We are all God's children.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 3	Posted - 2013.09.07 14:40:00 - [19] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. The Empire has existed in more or less its current form for thousands of years, soldier. No other of the four great powers can say as much. If it were just a "matter of time," the time should long since have come and gone. Even the Minmatar uprising required not one, but two major outside actors to provide the opportunity: the Jove at Vak'Atioth and the Gallente who armed the Matari. The stability of the Empire is a great merit, but a sad truth for those who would prefer to evade its control: once under its sway, few cultures have pulled free. "Rights" and "freedoms" are historical anomalies, soldier. Humanity has spent most of its history under one autocratic system or another. It remains to be seen whether democracy is robust enough to withstand the trials of history, but Amarrian feudalism has already stood the test of time long enough that it is foolish to expect it to collapse under its own weight. Rights and freedom are not anomalies, they are the very heart of every society and without rights or freedom we become anything but pawns to those who subjugate us. It was the Empire's arrogance that lead to humiliating loss to the Jove. Even though the Empire may never collapse it will change if it is to have a place in this Modern Era.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 3	Posted - 2013.09.07 15:21:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so. They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people. It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner. We are all God's children. I thought that only True Amarrs were God's chosen people and everyone else was to be subjugate and be used to do the Empire's biding. But then again I am but a heathen. True Adamance, your faith is to be interpreted as you see fit. But do not expect me to stand idle while you try to impose it to others forcefully. The Minmatar Republic is not being used in any way. If the Republic seeks help from the Federation why should it be denied? I should always advocate for freedom and liberty. The Minmatar a capable of deciding their nation's fate without requiring "a firm hand".

Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 242	Posted - 2013.09.07 16:27:00 - [21] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: Rights and freedom are not anomalies, they are the very heart of every society and without rights or freedom we become anything but pawns to those who subjugate us. It was the Empire's arrogance that lead to humiliating loss to the Jove. Even though the Empire may never collapse it will change if it is to have a place in this Modern Era. Let me clarify my terminology a little, soldier. A "right," in this context, is not something granted by law, but by the universe. Legal rights do exist in every society (they are the latitude of action an individual legally possesses). A right in that context is reduced to "what you are allowed to do." It's the same for a freedom. It is only the Gallente who regard certain rights as inherent, inviolable, and sacred. The idea that there are rights that can never be taken away-- that is a historical anomaly. Is that the sort of right you were talking about? Otherwise, "rights" are as ubiquitous as "money," and their existence says about as much about the nature of a society (to wit, that it is a society with some minimal level of sophistication). Most of us are relatively comfortable with the idea that rights are artifacts of the mind, something we cooked up for ourselves rather than anything "real." They can be broad, they can be narrow-- either way can work in the short term. The experiment is whether you can build a society to stand the test of ages by effectively making Freedom your god and Rights its divine agents, combining these into a national religion.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3044	Posted - 2013.09.07 16:29:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so. They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people. It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner. We are all God's children. Whilst certainly there is some ignorance and perhaps even corruption within the Federation, that isn't necessarily why people support it. Of course there are flaws - Every society has its flaws, yours included. That's the way of things. The Federation is about people making their own way through life, free of significant state obligation or major religious influence. You can certainly choose to see it as an 'ignorant and corrupted society', as there's some truth in that, but it's hardly fair to dismiss the only truly free society in New Eden as simply that. I'd also like to know why you consider our values of freedom hypocritical. Do you mean to say we're figuratively slaves to the political system? I do find much of the extremism that my fellow Gallenteans tend to exhibit rather tiresome though. Patriotic they may be, but blind verbal attacks against other empires only reinforces the sad perception of us as an 'ignorant' society.
emm kay fused xenon 1	Posted - 2013.09.07 17:13:00 - [23] - Quote THATS why they call this that inthergalatic summit. everyone here has their heads above the clouds.... edit: just bieng a little realistic: there is no problem with bieng a Min, aside from the inter-solar wars.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 3	Posted - 2013.09.07 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: Rights and freedom are not anomalies, they are the very heart of every society and without rights or freedom we become anything but pawns to those who subjugate us. It was the Empire's arrogance that lead to humiliating loss to the Jove. Even though the Empire may never collapse it will change if it is to have a place in this Modern Era. Let me clarify my terminology a little, soldier. A "right," in this context, is not something granted by law, but by the universe. Legal rights do exist in every society (they are the latitude of action an individual legally possesses). A right in that context is reduced to "what you are allowed to do." It's the same for a freedom. It is only the Gallente who regard certain rights as inherent, inviolable, and sacred. The idea that there are rights that can never be taken away-- that is a historical anomaly. Is that the sort of right you were talking about? Otherwise, "rights" are as ubiquitous as "money," and their existence says about as much about the nature of a society (to wit, that it is a society with some minimal level of sophistication). Most of us are relatively comfortable with the idea that rights are artifacts of the mind, something we cooked up for ourselves rather than anything "real." They can be broad, they can be narrow-- either way can work in the short term. The experiment is whether you can build a society to stand the test of ages by effectively making Freedom your god and Rights its divine agents, combining these into a national religion. It might be so, our society does uphold certain rights and freedom above everything and will fight fiercely for them. For outsiders it might be seen as a far fetched ideal. For you it might be seen as an anomaly and as somewhat unnatural. Frankly, I don't believe anything can withstand the test of time. not even the Federation, but its presence will remain.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 242	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:59:00 - [25] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: It might be so, our society does uphold certain rights and freedom above everything and will fight fiercely for them. For outsiders it might be seen as a far fetched ideal. For you it might be seen as an anomaly and as somewhat unnatural. Frankly, I don't believe anything can withstand the test of time. not even the Federation, but its presence will remain. A thoughtful answer, Mr. Callazar. I do understand where you might come to think I was criticizing the Gallentean approach as unnatural, but the real issue is more that it's aggressive. Like the Amarr, the Gallente seem to feel that they have found a great truth that they have a sacred duty to share with everyone. Only, not everyone worships the god Freedom, and not everyone wants to. We have our own histories, faiths, and cultural outlooks on the universe that are inconsistent with Gallentean-style individualism. That there might be valid reasons for not wishing to embrace your faith is an understanding the Federation has been reluctant or unable to accept, and so our cultures inevitably clash. As it is with the Amarr, faith calls you to spread your truth. As it is with the Amarr, the rest of us will fight to keep our own truths. It is ironic, but your faith in the god Freedom makes you conquerors. I do not blame the Gallente for their beliefs-- as with the Amarr, you largely seem to do what you think is right. It is just that, because my own society disagrees with you about what is right (or what rights are, as the case may be), we have chosen to resist. As a defender of that civilization, it is my place and role to protect my own home and way of life with violence when need be. And it seems that there is indeed a need. It is nothing personal, soldier; nor is it even really a criticism of the Gallentean path, but I cannot allow that path to be extended through my home.
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 3	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:46:00 - [26] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: It might be so, our society does uphold certain rights and freedom above everything and will fight fiercely for them. For outsiders it might be seen as a far fetched ideal. For you it might be seen as an anomaly and as somewhat unnatural. Frankly, I don't believe anything can withstand the test of time. not even the Federation, but its presence will remain. A thoughtful answer, Mr. Callazar. I do understand where you might come to think I was criticizing the Gallentean approach as unnatural, but the real issue is more that it's aggressive. Like the Amarr, the Gallente seem to feel that they have found a great truth that they have a sacred duty to share with everyone. Only, not everyone worships the god Freedom, and not everyone wants to. We have our own histories, faiths, and cultural outlooks on the universe that are inconsistent with Gallentean-style individualism. That there might be valid reasons for not wishing to embrace your faith is an understanding the Federation has been reluctant or unable to accept, and so our cultures inevitably clash. As it is with the Amarr, faith calls you to spread your truth. As it is with the Amarr, the rest of us will fight to keep our own truths. It is ironic, but your faith in the god Freedom makes you conquerors. I do not blame the Gallente for their beliefs-- as with the Amarr, you largely seem to do what you think is right. It is just that, because my own society disagrees with you about what is right (or what rights are, as the case may be), we have chosen to resist. As a defender of that civilization, it is my place and role to protect my own home and way of life with violence when need be. And it seems that there is indeed a need. It is nothing personal, soldier; nor is it even really a criticism of the Gallentean path, but I cannot allow that path to be extended through my home. The conflict between the Federation and the Caldari State is much more complex and does require some thought. For both sides have reason to fight and to blame for the conflict escalation and attrition between both sides. I do not agree with some of the instances taken by my government towards Caldari State. However I cannot stand idle while it opposes a treat to the Federation and its citizens. I also would not describe my belief in what the Gallente society stands for as a faith, we don not worship Freedom, we admire and respect it. As soldiers, we must fight for what we believe in and defend it at all costs. Because war is what we know. Even with our differences I know when I meet a worthy adversary, if we meet in the battlefield I shall fight you with honour!
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 243	Posted - 2013.09.08 00:40:00 - [27] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: The conflict between the Federation and the Caldari State is much more complex and does require some thought. For both sides have reason to fight and to blame for the conflict escalation and attrition between both sides. I do not agree with some of the instances taken by my government towards Caldari State. However I cannot stand idle while it opposes a treat to the Federation and its citizens. I also would not describe my belief in what the Gallente society stands for as a faith, we don not worship Freedom, we admire and respect it. As soldiers, we must fight for what we believe in and defend it at all costs. Because war is what we know. Even with our differences I know when I meet a worthy adversary, if we meet in the battlefield I shall fight you with honour! An honorable invitation, Mr. Callazar; I should like to be able to take you up on it. Sadly, while we may, indeed meet, our senses of "honor" may differ somewhat. As a scout, a straight fight (with great respect to those who engage in them) is the very last thing I wish to become involved in. Trickery and foul play are my tools-- my work is more remote explosive traps and nova knives than what most soldiers think of as honorable warfare. As a scout, my credo is simple: to do the job, and do it efficiently. That being so, in the event that we do meet on the field, you would honor me most by fighting with all of your cunning and ingenuity.
Nonya Bizznizz DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:47:00 - [28] - Quote Riveting tale, chap. Care to tell it again?
Tyrionn Callazar 843 Boot Camp 7	Posted - 2013.09.08 11:41:00 - [29] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: An honorable invitation, Mr. Callazar; I should like to be able to take you up on it. Sadly, while we may, indeed meet, our senses of "honor" may differ somewhat. As a scout, a straight fight (with great respect to those who engage in them) is the very last thing I wish to become involved in. Trickery and foul play are my tools-- my work is more remote explosive traps and nova knives than what most soldiers think of as honorable warfare. As a scout, my credo is simple: to do the job, and do it efficiently. That being so, in the event that we do meet on the field, you would honour me most by fighting with all of your cunning and ingenuity. I too am a scout by trade, I am a hunter, tracking the enemy and infiltrating the enemy lines are my trades. If indeed we meet, we should play a game of cat and mouse, and we shall see which of us will become the other's prey. At least should be entertaining. In the end it seems that we are not that different my friend.
Soulja Ghostface SPECIAL OPS GUERILLA ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.09.09 01:26:00 - [30] - Quote I don't play cat and mouse. i play bear and porcupine while i am the porcupine. come and hunt me you Gallente felines i dare you!

Soulja Ghostface SPECIAL OPS GUERILLA ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.09.09 01:34:00 - [31] - Quote oh and by the way the test of time isn't a test. in the right hands it is a gift. time can erode and destroy mountains or it can produce a beautiful Forest. the lack of time threw the republic into a major war between galactic superpowers. while the ample time made the empire the most politically and economically stable society with the most sectors.
velos ALKARI The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:08:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. The nugget of truth in there almost weighs as much as a Gallente ego...almost
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1823	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:57:00 - [33] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: oh and by the way the test of time isn't a test. in the right hands it is a gift. time can erode and destroy mountains or it can produce a beautiful Forest. the lack of time threw the republic into a major war between galactic superpowers. while the ample time made the empire the most politically and economically stable society with the most sectors. Indeed it is.
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.09.16 17:00:00 - [34] - Quote Excellent... another soul reclaimed by God, blessings upon you brother. I too was once Minmatar but I am no longer that, I'm Ammatar serving the empire for good in the name of God. May you fight beside us and our holy empress or you will rule the day you were born.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2080	Posted - 2013.09.17 15:08:00 - [35] - Quote Clips A'hoy wrote: Excellent... another soul reclaimed by God, blessings upon you brother. I too was once Minmatar but I am no longer that, I'm Ammatar serving the empire for good in the name of God. May you fight beside us and our holy empress or you will rule the day you were born. (( YUS Great RP choice )) It is good to see the Ammatar committing soldiers to the fight. God be with you Chosen.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 14	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:00:00 - [36] - Quote I fight for Amarr in because i don't want to betray the empire after choosing my race ( i didn't even know what the empire fought for at the time) i really think the federation has the right ideas. (democracy,freedom of religion,even an immigrant can become wealthy in the federation.) In the end im just staying loyal and not changing sides. Im proud to be amarr also
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2163	Posted - 2013.09.20 23:01:00 - [37] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: I fight for Amarr in because i don't want to betray the empire after choosing my race ( i didn't even know what the empire fought for at the time) i really think the federation has the right ideas. (democracy,freedom of religion,even an immigrant can become wealthy in the federation.) In the end im just staying loyal and not changing sides. Im proud to be amarr also Except as in reality that never happens. The weak don't rise to become the top players, the strong always remain the strong.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 14	Posted - 2013.09.21 15:45:00 - [38] - Quote Except as in reality that never happens. The weak don't rise to become the top players, the strong always remain the strong.[/quote] Another reason to stay loyal to the empire
Templar Twelve PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8	Posted - 2013.10.01 10:33:00 - [39] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Another reason to stay loyal to the empire One does not need reason to be loyal to the Empress. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all; When thine heart shines with the Light, thou shalt know no hardship; When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal.GÇÖ" - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:1
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2470	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:48:00 - [40] - Quote Templar Twelve wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Another reason to stay loyal to the empire One does not need reason to be loyal to the Empress. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all; When thine heart shines with the Light, thou shalt know no hardship; When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal.GÇÖ" - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:1 As you say Templar. It is a blessed thing to know ones purpose and revel in that holy designation. "And the Lord spoke to him from the heavens, Described to him his holy purpose, Bestowed upon him the wisdom, Of Gods holy embrace." - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First 2:8

Void Echo Blades of Dust 1924	Posted - 2013.10.07 16:43:00 - [41] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. The Empire has existed in more or less its current form for thousands of years, soldier. No other of the four great powers can say as much. If it were just a "matter of time," the time should long since have come and gone. Even the Minmatar uprising required not one, but two major outside actors to provide the opportunity: the Jove at Vak'Atioth and the Gallente who armed the Matari. The stability of the Empire is a great merit, but a sad truth for those who would prefer to evade its control: once under its sway, few cultures have pulled free. "Rights" and "freedoms" are historical anomalies, soldier. Humanity has spent most of its history under one autocratic system or another. It remains to be seen whether democracy is robust enough to withstand the trials of history, but Amarrian feudalism has already stood the test of time long enough that it is foolish to expect it to collapse under its own weight. when it comes down to the basic principles of human behavior, humanity is actually meant to be controlled by something, weather it be believes, ideals, faiths, material possessions, or other ****. the amarr are a prime example
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 181	Posted - 2013.10.24 03:21:00 - [42] - Quote Whats next, funny amarr hats?
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.28 03:10:00 - [43] - Quote So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3678	Posted - 2013.10.28 03:40:00 - [44] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:33:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred.
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:41:00 - [46] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred. This is no false ideal. You see the signs but you ignore them and that is the gravest sin of all. Do not talk blasphemy towards God or you will regret it at both death and on the battlefield. The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3684	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:57:00 - [47] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred. Brainwashing is the unfaithful's last line of defence before they accept that there are those who choose to believe for the sake of believing. I would not try to convert you, I would seek to educate you, neither of which should generate hate unless you make that your business and thus condemn yourself of your own volition. If you were to pull a weapon on me, It would not matter that I die, only that I am martyred in the service of the Lord. If it came to that on the battlefield you would have to tear open an iron shell to find me, a job I think you will find rather difficult alone. As I have said. Fighting for my religion means I am to bring the tenets and aspects of God to the furthest reaches of the stars. Unending forgiveness to the innocent, righteous fury to traitors, heretics, and rebels, and the Light of justice and truth to all humankind. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 24	Posted - 2013.10.29 02:25:00 - [48] - Quote I'm personally fine with the Minmitar till it said they will hate The Amarr FOREVER, fun fact btw during the FW Event it went from Gallente nairly beating Caldari & Minmitar practically ruling Amarr to Caldari & Amarr had basically conquerored both entirely in a matter of a few days....
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 02:43:00 - [49] - Quote Clips A'hoy wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred. This is no false ideal. You see the signs but you ignore them and that is the gravest sin of all. Do not talk blasphemy towards God or you will regret it at both death and on the battlefield. My God and your God are different, if I blaspheme towards your God it should not hinder the standing with my God which should be the God of all mercs. That God being the all powerful and mighty Gun, and I pay tribute to my God by spilling blood and earning ISK.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3715	Posted - 2013.10.29 03:20:00 - [50] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Clips A'hoy wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: So let me get this straight. You surrendered being a Matari merc and instead decided to join up with the Empire that enslaved your people for hundreds of years all because you found religion? Well I guess some people like to be whipped to death by their slave drivers... Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred. This is no false ideal. You see the signs but you ignore them and that is the gravest sin of all. Do not talk blasphemy towards God or you will regret it at both death and on the battlefield. My God and your God are different, if I blaspheme towards your God it should not hinder the standing with my God which should be the God of all mercs. That God being the all powerful and mighty Gun, and I pay tribute to my God by spilling blood and earning ISK. Then you are a heretic. I care not for your heathen gods as you would call them. I will punish you for turning your back on our one true God. A God that stands for something as meaningless as ISK is not god. As I have said there is only one, true god, and He has chosen the Amarr. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 230	Posted - 2013.10.29 03:28:00 - [51] - Quote I've been seeing a lot of anti-amarr statements here mainly from gallente mercs and i must say. If you are going to talk trash against the empire you must understand the conflict between the matari and the amarr is different compared to the blood bath of wars your kind fights against the caldari. It is different because we are not attacking because of hate. We are attacking truly because we are trying to teach the matari and make them more civilized race. If they desire to come to the side of the amarr then let it be. We will accept them not just kill them mercilessly because they are a different race. I wore proto gear once in public and i get charged for public indecency. *This is an out rage.*
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3717	Posted - 2013.10.29 03:40:00 - [52] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: I've been seeing a lot of anti-amarr statements here mainly from gallente mercs and i must say. If you are going to talk trash against the empire you must understand the conflict between the matari and the amarr is different compared to the blood bath of wars your kind fights against the caldari. It is different because we are not attacking because of hate. We are attacking truly because we are trying to teach the matari and make them more civilized race. If they desire to come to the side of the amarr then let it be. We will accept them not just kill them mercilessly because they are a different race. Indeed. This has been said many times by our people, yet nobody bothers to try to understand. Its is a shame. I am vindicated in the knowledge that my servant remains cared for, treated fairly, given education, and brought into a world where she understands she is loved by a God of great benevolence and kindness. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 19:46:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Clips A'hoy wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Again another ignorant slob shows up. The unkind treatment of slaves has been a crime since the later years of the reign of Emperor Heideran, after he was offered the Aldonis Statue for his role in galactic peacekeeping. Nocturnal firstly is not old enough to have known a time where the Amarr did beat their slaves, secondly it is something to be ashamed of to find a religion or a cause to fight for. So they brain washed you too I see... I do understand the need to find a cause to fight, however religion is one of those false ideals that will always instill hate and war amongst people. I could say I believe in a God that is totally different from yours and you will try and convert me which will cause me to hate you and take out my submachine gun and show you your insides. Fighting for religion will not bring peace, but will create more hatred. This is no false ideal. You see the signs but you ignore them and that is the gravest sin of all. Do not talk blasphemy towards God or you will regret it at both death and on the battlefield. My God and your God are different, if I blaspheme towards your God it should not hinder the standing with my God which should be the God of all mercs. That God being the all powerful and mighty Gun, and I pay tribute to my God by spilling blood and earning ISK. Then you are a heretic. I care not for your heathen gods as you would call them. I will punish you for turning your back on our one true God. A God that stands for something as meaningless as ISK is not god. As I have said there is only one, true god, and He has chosen the Amarr. How did I turn my back on your God if I never believed in him? I have known of him, yes, but I have never believed nor followed the dogma instilled by your people. Ergo, I never turned my back on him. However if you believe that you must attempt to punish me, my machine gun and I would love to see you try. As for my God of ISK and War being meaningless, in our world of immortality what else do we have left to gain but ISK. We have no need for an afterlife as we never die, so we must live in what we need now.
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 66	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:11:00 - [54] - Quote Your "God" of Money and War? Don't set your sights on earthly things, set your eyes on things that will last forever. Only those who follow God can set their eyes on earthly things as we live forever. We'll see how long your god lasts in the eyes of Amarr. Be prepared, uncultured primitive. The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3744	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:13:00 - [55] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: How did I turn my back on your God if I never believed in him? I have known of him, yes, but I have never believed nor followed the dogma instilled by your people. Ergo, I never turned my back on him. However if you believe that you must attempt to punish me, my machine gun and I would love to see you try. As for my God of ISK and War being meaningless, in our world of immortality what else do we have left to gain but ISK. We have no need for an afterlife as we never die, so we must live in what we need now. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 The signs are there and you have even unwittingly renounced the lord God. There are not greys here, only those who believe and those who do not. Those willing to believe may yet be given the chance to repent their sins and come into God's kingdom. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Again our scriptures say that it is the gravest sin to know of God yet to reject him. As you say it is possible that you have not truly renounced him, thus I put it to you now. Will you submit to the graces of God and acknowledge him as the Almighty power he is? Would you come to love him as he loves you even now sinner? If not then I shall hunt you. My 500 tonne machinegun says your weak convictions and barbaric projectile weapons shall not harm me. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 66	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:16:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: How did I turn my back on your God if I never believed in him? I have known of him, yes, but I have never believed nor followed the dogma instilled by your people. Ergo, I never turned my back on him. However if you believe that you must attempt to punish me, my machine gun and I would love to see you try. As for my God of ISK and War being meaningless, in our world of immortality what else do we have left to gain but ISK. We have no need for an afterlife as we never die, so we must live in what we need now. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 The signs are there and you have even unwittingly renounced the lord God. There are not greys here, only those who believe and those who do not. Those willing to believe may yet be given the chance to repent their sins and come into God's kingdom. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Again our scriptures say that it is the gravest sin to know of God yet to reject him. As you say it is possible that you have not truly renounced him, thus I put it to you now. Will you submit to the graces of God and acknowledge him as the Almighty power he is? Would you come to love him as he loves you even now sinner? If not then I shall hunt you. My 500 tonne machinegun says your weak convictions and barbaric projectile weapons shall not harm me. Glory to you, brother, for you speak truth. It is in his best interest to repent and join the light. May God and Jamyl Sarum bless and light your path. The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3745	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:21:00 - [57] - Quote Clips A'hoy wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: How did I turn my back on your God if I never believed in him? I have known of him, yes, but I have never believed nor followed the dogma instilled by your people. Ergo, I never turned my back on him. However if you believe that you must attempt to punish me, my machine gun and I would love to see you try. As for my God of ISK and War being meaningless, in our world of immortality what else do we have left to gain but ISK. We have no need for an afterlife as we never die, so we must live in what we need now. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 The signs are there and you have even unwittingly renounced the lord God. There are not greys here, only those who believe and those who do not. Those willing to believe may yet be given the chance to repent their sins and come into God's kingdom. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Again our scriptures say that it is the gravest sin to know of God yet to reject him. As you say it is possible that you have not truly renounced him, thus I put it to you now. Will you submit to the graces of God and acknowledge him as the Almighty power he is? Would you come to love him as he loves you even now sinner? If not then I shall hunt you. My 500 tonne machinegun says your weak convictions and barbaric projectile weapons shall not harm me. Glory to you, brother, for you speak truth. It is in his best interest to repent and join the light. May God and Jamyl Sarum bless and light your path. Amarr Victor, Amarr Resurgent. We will Reclaim the stars for God, Empire, and the divine light of the Empress. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 344	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:21:00 - [58] - Quote Mr. Buelle: With all respect to Tempar Crusader Ouryon, he does tend to draw the word "heretic" maybe a bit quickly. My impression is that he's spent pretty much all his life surrounded by other believers, so his first impulse upon encountering a blasphemous sort is to think, "heretic." After all, in a highly religious society such as the Empire, we heathens are relatively thin on the ground. As for your god of ISK and war, I think-- I hope-- that what you're actually saying is that you see no real divinity in this world. There's a lot of despair, come to think of it, reflected even in the suggestion, half-joking or not, that we should worship these things that superficially define us. What an empty existence that would be....
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 67	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:22:00 - [59] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Clips A'hoy wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: How did I turn my back on your God if I never believed in him? I have known of him, yes, but I have never believed nor followed the dogma instilled by your people. Ergo, I never turned my back on him. However if you believe that you must attempt to punish me, my machine gun and I would love to see you try. As for my God of ISK and War being meaningless, in our world of immortality what else do we have left to gain but ISK. We have no need for an afterlife as we never die, so we must live in what we need now. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 The signs are there and you have even unwittingly renounced the lord God. There are not greys here, only those who believe and those who do not. Those willing to believe may yet be given the chance to repent their sins and come into God's kingdom. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Again our scriptures say that it is the gravest sin to know of God yet to reject him. As you say it is possible that you have not truly renounced him, thus I put it to you now. Will you submit to the graces of God and acknowledge him as the Almighty power he is? Would you come to love him as he loves you even now sinner? If not then I shall hunt you. My 500 tonne machinegun says your weak convictions and barbaric projectile weapons shall not harm me. Glory to you, brother, for you speak truth. It is in his best interest to repent and join the light. May God and Jamyl Sarum bless and light your path. Amarr Victor, Amarr Resurgent. We will Reclaim the stars for God, Empire, and the divine light of the Empress. Amen. The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3746	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:43:00 - [60] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Mr. Buelle: With all respect to Tempar Crusader Ouryon, he does tend to draw the word "heretic" maybe a bit quickly. My impression is that he's spent pretty much all his life surrounded by other believers, so his first impulse upon encountering a blasphemous sort is to think, "heretic." After all, in a highly religious society such as the Empire, we heathens are relatively thin on the ground. As for your god of ISK and war, I think-- I hope-- that what you're actually saying is that you see no real divinity in this world. There's a lot of despair, come to think of it, reflected even in the suggestion, half-joking or not, that we should worship these things that superficially define us. What an empty existence that would be.... The heretic is the unrepentant soul who does not believe Ms Ryeon. This is an absolute. This man told me to my face that he blasphemes against my God. Heretic is an apt label. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 67	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:52:00 - [61] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so. They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people. It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner. We are all God's children. I thought that only True Amarrs were God's chosen people and everyone else was to be subjugate and be used to do the Empire's biding. But then again I am but a heathen. True Adamance, your faith is to be interpreted as you see fit. But do not expect me to stand idle while you try to impose it to others forcefully. The Minmatar Republic is not being used in any way. If the Republic seeks help from the Federation why should it be denied? I should always advocate for freedom and liberty. The Minmatar a capable of deciding their nation's fate without requiring "a firm hand". The Matari never asked for help from the Federation when the Rebellion occured. The Federation has turned a blind eye to their people and to the Matari, and that means the social and political ladder. Why don't you Gallente fish come forward and splash on my Platinum seat and admit that you use the Matari to fight your battle for you. It is true that a fifth of the Matari reside in the Federation, is it not? Then it is known for a fact that most of your soldiers and Matari citizens not blood born Gallenteans. This has to stop, heathen, admit it! The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:57:00 - [62] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Mr. Buelle: With all respect to Tempar Crusader Ouryon, he does tend to draw the word "heretic" maybe a bit quickly. My impression is that he's spent pretty much all his life surrounded by other believers, so his first impulse upon encountering a blasphemous sort is to think, "heretic." After all, in a highly religious society such as the Empire, we heathens are relatively thin on the ground. As for your god of ISK and war, I think-- I hope-- that what you're actually saying is that you see no real divinity in this world. There's a lot of despair, come to think of it, reflected even in the suggestion, half-joking or not, that we should worship these things that superficially define us. What an empty existence that would be.... I do not worship war nor money nor death. It was all in jest. However I understand that to survive we must earn ISK and to earn it we must fight, and die. So by me saying that my god is War and ISK is me trying to reason with him that I do not believe in any god that doesn't provide. War provides me ISK and ISK provides me with my housing, my weapons, my dropsuits, food and many other things that would be otherwise out of my reach. This is the reality that I have to face and I have no need to put my hopes in a God that does not show his/herself to me nor provides for me.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3747	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:02:00 - [63] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Mr. Buelle: With all respect to Tempar Crusader Ouryon, he does tend to draw the word "heretic" maybe a bit quickly. My impression is that he's spent pretty much all his life surrounded by other believers, so his first impulse upon encountering a blasphemous sort is to think, "heretic." After all, in a highly religious society such as the Empire, we heathens are relatively thin on the ground. As for your god of ISK and war, I think-- I hope-- that what you're actually saying is that you see no real divinity in this world. There's a lot of despair, come to think of it, reflected even in the suggestion, half-joking or not, that we should worship these things that superficially define us. What an empty existence that would be.... I do not worship war nor money nor death. It was all in jest. However I understand that to survive we must earn ISK and to earn it we must fight, and die. So by me saying that my god is War and ISK is me trying to reason with him that I do not believe in any god that doesn't provide. War provides me ISK and ISK provides me with my housing, my weapons, my dropsuits, food and many other things that would be otherwise out of my reach. This is the reality that I have to face and I have no need to put my hopes in a God that does not show his/herself to me nor provides for me. Then you came of as lacking reason. To jest at ones devoutly held belief is not reasonable, it is beneath you, and only sullies you name. And why should a God show itself. The purpose of the Faith is to believe, not to know for a certainty. Its is my Faith that armours me from doubt so that I do not fear the darkness of New Eden, nor do I know the uncertainties that the heathens do. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:13:00 - [64] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Then you came of as lacking reason. To jest at ones devoutly held belief is not reasonable, it is beneath you, and only sullies you name. And why should a God show itself. The purpose of the Faith is to believe, not to know for a certainty. Its is my Faith that armours me from doubt so that I do not fear the darkness of New Eden, nor do I know the uncertainties that the heathens do. I jest at everything. It keeps me from going off the deep end and murdering mortals. As for lacking reasoning, I don't see how I do. I understand the way our existence works. We fight with everything we got on the ground as to better our Governments or Corperations and for a little bit of ISK. We use the ISK we earn to enchance our abilities through skillbooks or to by a few exotic dancers and have a few beers. Our existence is only to fight, kill, live, then die, only to be reborn to repeat the process. For this, I reason that your God does not exist outside of a book that was written by a man from an age long past.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3749	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:20:00 - [65] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: I jest at everything. It keeps me from going off the deep end and murdering mortals. As if I needed another reason to hunt you. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:29:00 - [66] - Quote True Adamance wrote: As if I needed another reason to hunt you. I welcome the challenge
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3750	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:42:00 - [67] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: As if I needed another reason to hunt you. I welcome the challenge You should not treat mortals like playthings. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 344	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:57:00 - [68] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The heretic is the unrepentant soul who does not believe Ms Ryeon. This is an absolute. This man told me to my face that he blasphemes against my God. Heretic is an apt label. Templar Crusader, respectfully, I, too, have been known to make some pointed remarks about the Amarrian deity, or any thinking being that would create this universe. This world we live in erodes innocence, sneers at high ideals, and is utterly indifferent to justice. While I see this universe as a thing of wonder and beauty, it is also so much a thing of pain for the sentient and, worse, sapient beings that dwell in it that any sapient god responsible for its creation would be a thing of horror. The name of the Angel Cartel is, to my mind, less ironic than grimly appropriate: mercenary cutthroats, hijackers and drug smugglers would make apt messengers for the god of this world. For all this, and despite all the dark or blasphemous things I may have to say about your god, or any god seeking the title of "creator," I cannot fairly be described as a heretic in your faith because my system of belief is entirely different from yours. I do not represent a corruption of your faith because I share somewhere between very few and absolutely none of its precepts. That's what a heathen is, an outsider and unbeliever. We do not become heretics merely by making unflattering remarks about your faith, or there would be few who do not already believe who were capable of being saved. To think otherwise is to make no distinction between a Sani cultist and a Gallentean atheist; both will mock your faith, but only the Sani represents a corruption of it. The Gallentean's beliefs originate elsewhere entirely. Jonny D Buelle wrote: I do not worship war nor money nor death. It was all in jest. However I understand that to survive we must earn ISK and to earn it we must fight, and die. So by me saying that my god is War and ISK is me trying to reason with him that I do not believe in any god that doesn't provide. War provides me ISK and ISK provides me with my housing, my weapons, my dropsuits, food and many other things that would be otherwise out of my reach. This is the reality that I have to face and I have no need to put my hopes in a God that does not show his/herself to me nor provides for me. ... Making you, apparently, the Gallentean atheist I mention above. In fairness, of course, any creator god would have provided us ISK, housing, dropsuits, food, and many other things. Oxygen, for example. Also, murder, rapine, starvation, degenerative disease, resentment, disillusionment, betrayal by and of friends and loved ones, and the sensation of your nanites going haywire and starting to digest your organs for you after you've been downed with a 'Toxin' weapon. Oh, and boosters.The arbitrary and meaningless deaths of children. Also, self-serving pseudo-immortals like us. Those last and a long list of related concepts are my quibble with any creator deity who claims to want and deserve our worship. In any case, I'd rather think that the universe doesn't think of us at all than that some sapient being is behind all that life has to offer.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3752	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:11:00 - [69] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: True Adamance wrote: The heretic is the unrepentant soul who does not believe Ms Ryeon. This is an absolute. This man told me to my face that he blasphemes against my God. Heretic is an apt label. Templar Crusader, respectfully, I, too, have been known to make some pointed remarks about the Amarrian deity, or any thinking being that would create this universe. This world we live in erodes innocence, sneers at high ideals, and is utterly indifferent to justice. While I see this universe as a thing of wonder and beauty, it is also so much a thing of pain for the sentient and, worse, sapient beings that dwell in it that any sapient god responsible for its creation would be a thing of horror. The name of the Angel Cartel is, to my mind, less ironic than grimly appropriate: mercenary cutthroats, hijackers and drug smugglers would make apt messengers for the god of this world. For all this, and despite all the dark or blasphemous things I may have to say about your god, or any god seeking the title of "creator," I cannot fairly be described as a heretic in your faith because my system of belief is entirely different from yours. I do not represent a corruption of your faith because I share somewhere between very few and absolutely none of its precepts. That's what a heathen is, an outsider and unbeliever. We do not become heretics merely by making unflattering remarks about your faith, or there would be few who do not already believe who were capable of being saved. To think otherwise is to make no distinction between a Sani cultist and a Gallentean atheist; both will mock your faith, but only the Sani represents a corruption of it. The Gallentean's beliefs originate elsewhere entirely. Perhaps it does, but to those of pure Faith we are able to stand against such erosion, keeping the Darkness at bay with our Faith. There high ideals you speak of are not what we consider our Faith to be. Such ideals when compared to the existence of God are but mere component parts of what He represents. While those component parts can be worn away, those that stand together can resist this universes corruption. We have a say that goes along the lines of "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 This is both a literal and metaphoric phrase. While the strong stand together in the light of the faith, the light of faith cannot stand alone. It finds strength from other believers, from other sources of Faith. The higher ideals our God comes to represent cannot be eroded by this galaxy as long as the Faithful hold God in their hearts. The collective whole of our Faith gives our ideals the strength to stand true against such eroding forces. Indeed you do not. I suppose the title heretic is befitting more of the Sani Sabik than non believers. Though monotheism, I believe is unique to our people, though in this mans statements I see the ideals of a lone true God demeaned and perverted to represent mankind's Greed and violent nature. This God of ISK as he calls it is a manifestation and perversion of what drives men and women, coupled with the pseudo religious belief in the power of as I have heard some call it "the Almighty ISK". I believe the term heretic still applies to him, though not to someone like you. I find the Achruan sense of spirituality commendable, you are closer than many to God and you do not even know it. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:20:00 - [70] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You should not treat mortals like playthings. Who says I do? So what I like to mess around with some Matari dancers every now and then or get into fights at the pub. But it is all in good fun. Sure sometimes the fights do get a bit out of hand, but afterwards we drink together like real men. It is how I make myself feel alive. And no religion or God or dogma has ever given me that same satisfaction. You take yourself way to seriously Templar, how bout you come down to the strip club with me.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3753	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:34:00 - [71] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: You should not treat mortals like playthings. Who says I do? So what I like to mess around with some Matari dancers every now and then or get into fights at the pub. But it is all in good fun. Sure sometimes the fights do get a bit out of hand, but afterwards we drink together like real men. It is how I make myself feel alive. And no religion or God or dogma has ever given me that same satisfaction. You take yourself way to seriously Templar, how bout you come down to the strip club with me. My experiences with Clubs are not good ones. Last time some psychopathic Gallentean took a hostage and almost killed Satja..... ((No seriously it happened RP like)) Not to mention it would violate the oaths I took.... not to mention be morally reprehensible.... fun is one thing... duty is another. Rather reluctantly I have to refuse. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:51:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: You should not treat mortals like playthings. Who says I do? So what I like to mess around with some Matari dancers every now and then or get into fights at the pub. But it is all in good fun. Sure sometimes the fights do get a bit out of hand, but afterwards we drink together like real men. It is how I make myself feel alive. And no religion or God or dogma has ever given me that same satisfaction. You take yourself way to seriously Templar, how bout you come down to the strip club with me. My experiences with Clubs are not good ones. Last time some psychopathic Gallentean took a hostage and almost killed Satja..... ((No seriously it happened RP like)) Not to mention it would violate the oaths I took.... not to mention be morally reprehensible.... fun is one thing... duty is another. Rather reluctantly I have to refuse. Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 344	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:33:00 - [73] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women. If that were what you actually intended, you could just take him out drinking. Ah, spirits ... men are men from Athra to Luminaire, and fools by extension, but Gallente display it more than most. I only need walk through one of your stations to know why the Caldari seceded.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:37:00 - [74] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women. If that were what you actually intended, you could just take him out drinking. Ah, spirits ... men are men from Athra to Luminaire, and fools by extension, but Gallente display it more than most. I only need walk through one of your stations to know why the Caldari seceded. Don't get me started on the Caldari succession. In will admit thought, in my opinion, the bombardment and occupation of Caldari Prime was a bit unnecessary. Instead we should of sought out the Caldari terrorists that were responsible for the death of millions of Gallentean civilians. I am, however, in no way authorized to apologize on behalf of my government.
Satja Askarin Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:41:00 - [75] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: You should not treat mortals like playthings. Who says I do? So what I like to mess around with some Matari dancers every now and then or get into fights at the pub. But it is all in good fun. Sure sometimes the fights do get a bit out of hand, but afterwards we drink together like real men. It is how I make myself feel alive. And no religion or God or dogma has ever given me that same satisfaction. You take yourself way to seriously Templar, how bout you come down to the strip club with me. My experiences with Clubs are not good ones. Last time some psychopathic Gallentean took a hostage and almost killed Satja..... ((No seriously it happened RP like)) Not to mention it would violate the oaths I took.... not to mention be morally reprehensible.... fun is one thing... duty is another. Rather reluctantly I have to refuse. Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women. Tempting as that is I am sure Kador has other plans at the Gymnasium with me.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:25:00 - [76] - Quote Satja Askarin wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: True Adamance wrote: You should not treat mortals like playthings. Who says I do? So what I like to mess around with some Matari dancers every now and then or get into fights at the pub. But it is all in good fun. Sure sometimes the fights do get a bit out of hand, but afterwards we drink together like real men. It is how I make myself feel alive. And no religion or God or dogma has ever given me that same satisfaction. You take yourself way to seriously Templar, how bout you come down to the strip club with me. My experiences with Clubs are not good ones. Last time some psychopathic Gallentean took a hostage and almost killed Satja..... ((No seriously it happened RP like)) Not to mention it would violate the oaths I took.... not to mention be morally reprehensible.... fun is one thing... duty is another. Rather reluctantly I have to refuse. Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women. Tempting as that is I am sure Kador has other plans at the Gymnasium with me. Well you can always join us, the more the merrier!
Satja Askarin Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:29:00 - [77] - Quote .... I think not... the idea is repulsive... I cannot believe Gallentean women do...that sort of thing.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 345	Posted - 2013.10.30 14:08:00 - [78] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Well that Gallentean is no brother of mine, why ruin a good strip club. Come on mate, we will just have a few beers you don't even have to look at any of the very VERY under-dressed women. If that were what you actually intended, you could just take him out drinking. Ah, spirits ... men are men from Athra to Luminaire, and fools by extension, but Gallente display it more than most. I only need walk through one of your stations to know why the Caldari seceded. Don't get me started on the Caldari succession. In will admit thought, in my opinion, the bombardment and occupation of Caldari Prime was a bit unnecessary. Instead we should of sought out the Caldari terrorists that were responsible for the death of millions of Gallentean civilians. I am, however, in no way authorized to apologize on behalf of my government. There was a lot more to it than a round of escalating retaliation, Mr. Buelle; that was really just the last dregs of a cup that had been bitter from the first sip. Your people uplifted the Caldari, yes, providing hundreds of years of technological advancement in just a few decades, through an entity called the Cultural Deliverance Society (CDS). A proud people with an ancient culture who had survived and endured a harsh homeworld spent the next five hundred years living in the shadow of a coddled people born to a garden world. They've never really gotten over that. What I was actually getting at, though, is that the Caldari and Gallentean cultures have never mixed well. The Caldari are private where the Gallente are exhibitionist, and practical and utilitarian where the Gallente are flashy and garish. This may partly be an outright reaction against Gallentean culture, but that ongoing rejection of all things Gallente would never have occurred had the rift not existed from the start. Strip clubs do exist in the State, though it's not the sort of thing people will admit to attending, in public or otherwise. As with most such matters, they are kept out of sight, even if everybody knows about them. The difference is the flagrancy. Among the Caldari, putting one's decadence on display is bad form.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 31	Posted - 2013.10.30 19:50:00 - [79] - Quote Tyrionn Callazar wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyrionn Callazar wrote: There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism. If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully. Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario. I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty. You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire. You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs. The Empire has existed in more or less its current form for thousands of years, soldier. No other of the four great powers can say as much. If it were just a "matter of time," the time should long since have come and gone. Even the Minmatar uprising required not one, but two major outside actors to provide the opportunity: the Jove at Vak'Atioth and the Gallente who armed the Matari. The stability of the Empire is a great merit, but a sad truth for those who would prefer to evade its control: once under its sway, few cultures have pulled free. "Rights" and "freedoms" are historical anomalies, soldier. Humanity has spent most of its history under one autocratic system or another. It remains to be seen whether democracy is robust enough to withstand the trials of history, but Amarrian feudalism has already stood the test of time long enough that it is foolish to expect it to collapse under its own weight. Rights and freedom are not anomalies, they are the very heart of every society and without rights or freedom we become anything but pawns to those who subjugate us. It was the Empire's arrogance that lead to humiliating loss to the Jove. Even though the Empire may never collapse it will change if it is to have a place in this Modern Era. Actually you are incorrect, prior to the attack The Amarr were very ready & quite possibly could've won. As The Amarr weren't playing & brought they're best literally. However The Jove value information highly & got into The Amarr battle information regarding the attack The Jove found out every attack, who was with who, they're skill set, how they were squaded, reactions & first attack, each squads goal, & literally everything weeks if not months before the ones launching & doing the attack even got the plans & orders themselves The Jove prepared & the second The Amarr came it was a extremely well prepared planned trap/defence/counter-attack by The Jove leading to a very easy win for them & The Amarr basically enetered a fast agreement that they wouldn't attack The Jove & The Jove basically replied sure np whatever & went about they're business. To this date not 1 race has attacked The Jove yet.
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 421	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:06:00 - [80] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Actually you are incorrect, prior to the attack The Amarr were very ready & quite possibly could've won. As The Amarr weren't playing & brought they're best literally. However The Jove value information highly & got into The Amarr battle information regarding the attack The Jove found out every attack, who was with who, they're skill set, how they were squaded, reactions & first attack, each squads goal, & literally everything weeks if not months before the ones launching & doing the attack even got the plans & orders themselves The Jove prepared & the second The Amarr came it was a extremely well prepared planned trap/defence/counter-attack by The Jove leading to a very easy win for them & The Amarr basically enetered a fast agreement that they wouldn't attack The Jove & The Jove basically replied sure np whatever & went about they're business. To this date not 1 race has attacked The Jove yet. That and the scary doomsday beam that took out a battleship in one shot. No Empire had that capability at the time. If that is what they were willing to show, or at least had back then, then an attacker would have to consider what they have developed since. Who says you can't kill in style? Fear the tribes.

Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 32	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:09:00 - [81] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: [quote=True Adamance][quote=Tyrionn Callazar][quote=True Adamance] Whilst certainly there is some ignorance and perhaps even corruption within the Federation, that isn't necessarily why people support it. Of course there are flaws - Every society has its flaws, yours included. That's the way of things. The Federation is about people making their own way through life, free of significant state obligation or major religious influence. You can certainly choose to see it as an 'ignorant and corrupted society', as there's some truth in that, but it's hardly fair to dismiss the only truly free society in New Eden as simply that. I'd also like to know why you consider our values of freedom hypocritical. Do you mean to say we're figuratively slaves to the political system? I do find much of the extremism that my fellow Gallenteans tend to exhibit rather tiresome though. Patriotic they may be, but blind verbal attacks against other empires only reinforces the sad perception of us as an 'ignorant' society. To answer that 1 question as already spoken all governments if not realigions are somewhat corrupt or previously corrupt in history or both or off & on. But though The Gallente has multiple good points some of it you stated but some of it's higher up people are indeed corrupt & people if not both Gallente & Minmitar question if The Federation is just using The Minmitar ,most recently in news a certain Senator of Gallente proclaimed Minmitar possibly "untrustworthy" this relates to A Minmitar Brutus being in jail for quote by the Minmitar "defending himself" & killed multiple Gallente people The Federation wouldn't release him so minmitar showed up in Gallente space in Dregnaughts & a battle occured & I think theirs more about (this is if i'm accurate about this news)
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 32	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:19:00 - [82] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Actually you are incorrect, prior to the attack The Amarr were very ready & quite possibly could've won. As The Amarr weren't playing & brought they're best literally. However The Jove value information highly & got into The Amarr battle information regarding the attack The Jove found out every attack, who was with who, they're skill set, how they were squaded, reactions & first attack, each squads goal, & literally everything weeks if not months before the ones launching & doing the attack even got the plans & orders themselves The Jove prepared & the second The Amarr came it was a extremely well prepared planned trap/defence/counter-attack by The Jove leading to a very easy win for them & The Amarr basically enetered a fast agreement that they wouldn't attack The Jove & The Jove basically replied sure np whatever & went about they're business. To this date not 1 race has attacked The Jove yet. That and the scary doomsday beam that took out a battleship in one shot. No Empire had that capability at the time. If that is what they were willing to show, or at least had back then, then an attacker would have to consider what they have developed since. Actually it was actually quite into the battle when it happened & that ship had damage prior to getting hit by The Jove Mothership showing up to for the final part of The Jove's Plan basically to conclude the fight & Those Amarr ships had crazy fire apocolypse beams themselves they were the best Amarr had, a type prototype but because The Jove were ready & had gave it as well as the rest of The Amarr Fleet a Falcon Punch it was easy to conclude it with a Jove Mothership & it's purpose I assume was not only to conclude the fight but aspire a fear that The 4 Empires were inferior in technology to The Jove so no 1 would attack again or they did plan to they would think twice but in reality I assume if all 4 Empires united against The Jove, The Jove would be a bit.... worried
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4460	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:35:00 - [83] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: [quote=True Adamance][quote=Tyrionn Callazar][quote=True Adamance] Whilst certainly there is some ignorance and perhaps even corruption within the Federation, that isn't necessarily why people support it. Of course there are flaws - Every society has its flaws, yours included. That's the way of things. The Federation is about people making their own way through life, free of significant state obligation or major religious influence. You can certainly choose to see it as an 'ignorant and corrupted society', as there's some truth in that, but it's hardly fair to dismiss the only truly free society in New Eden as simply that. I'd also like to know why you consider our values of freedom hypocritical. Do you mean to say we're figuratively slaves to the political system? I do find much of the extremism that my fellow Gallenteans tend to exhibit rather tiresome though. Patriotic they may be, but blind verbal attacks against other empires only reinforces the sad perception of us as an 'ignorant' society. To answer that 1 question as already spoken all governments if not realigions are somewhat corrupt or previously corrupt in history or both or off & on. But though The Gallente has multiple good points some of it you stated but some of it's higher up people are indeed corrupt & people if not both Gallente & Minmitar question if The Federation is just using The Minmitar ,most recently in news a certain Senator of Gallente proclaimed Minmitar possibly "untrustworthy" this relates to A Minmitar Brutus being in jail for quote by the Minmitar "defending himself" & killed multiple Gallente people The Federation wouldn't release him so minmitar showed up in Gallente space in Dregnaughts & a battle occured & I think theirs more about (this is if i'm accurate about this news) I'm afraid that's not quite correct. The reason the Republic attacked was not because of the Brutor student (who was released without charge) but because of a racially motivated mass murderer called Gerne Broteau. He shot and killed a number of people at a Minmatar culture festival on Luminaire. The Federation tried him. As a Gallente citizen committing crimes primarily against Gallente citizens in Gallente sovereign space, they believed they had every right to - and quite possibly they did. However, the Republic demanded custody of the man, and when he was not handed over they attacked with their dreadnoughts. And as for the higher-ups being corrupt - As I said, the Federation is based on an ideal. That ideal is not a reality - we can only strive to be closer to that ideal. Nobody is truly perfect. As much as the Amarrians claim to be so, they aren't either. I would bet all of my ISK that there is significant corruption in the Empire. There is also corruption in the Caldari State, as evidenced by Tibus Heth. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Ubuu de Reide SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 33	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:59:00 - [84] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways. So you've adopted the faith of your slave-master. Eat up dog, these boot heels won't lick themselves. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/32673091/highlight/355435
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3789	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:04:00 - [85] - Quote Ubuu de Reide wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways. So you've adopted the faith of your slave-master. Eat up dog, these boot heels won't lick themselves. Do you even know anything about Amarrian slavery or are you pulling this out of your ass? I suspect the latter... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3789	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:06:00 - [86] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm afraid that's not quite correct. The reason the Republic attacked was not because of the Brutor student (who was released without charge) but because of a racially motivated mass murderer called Gerne Broteau. He shot and killed a number of people at a Minmatar culture festival on Luminaire. The Federation tried him. As a Gallente citizen committing crimes primarily against Gallente citizens in Gallente sovereign space, they believed they had every right to - and quite possibly they did. However, the Republic demanded custody of the man, and when he was not handed over they attacked with their dreadnoughts. And as for the higher-ups being corrupt - As I said, the Federation is based on an ideal. That ideal is not a reality - we can only strive to be closer to that ideal. Nobody is truly perfect. As much as the Amarrians claim to be so, they aren't either. I would bet all of my ISK that there is significant corruption in the Empire. There is also corruption in the Caldari State, as evidenced by Tibus Heth. The Republic could have cared less about Gerne Broteau if he hadn't killed Karin Midular. She was a noble woman, and worthy of respect. As one who would see our races united peacefully I lament her loss. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 32	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:11:00 - [87] - Quote Ubuu de Reide wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways. So you've adopted the faith of your slave-master. Eat up dog, these boot heels won't lick themselves. Ah I recall you from my post about The Amarr Holy Scriptures in the Dust Fiction section Ubuu. I'll tell you once more the Minmitar were kept from.... being jerks you might say by Slaver Hounds & so what does that make you Ubuu? A fluffy kitty? Infact I can see you as a kitty now & a woman saying in baby talk "come here Ubuu, come here Ubuu, Kitty Kitty" your name does sound like a cat's name anyway.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 32	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:20:00 - [88] - Quote Also 1 can argue The Amarr & Minmitar conflict runs far deeper then the Gallente & Caldari conflict as it hits multiple areas where the Caldari & Gallente conflict hits less areas but both conflicts are still serious in they're own way.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 32	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:25:00 - [89] - Quote True Adamance wrote: [quote=Jonny D Buelle][quote=Yun Hee Ryeon]Mr. Buelle: And why should a God show itself. The purpose of the Faith is to believe, not to know for a certainty. Its is my Faith that armours me from doubt so that I do not fear the darkness of New Eden, nor do I know the uncertainties that the heathens do. Their is wisdom to be seen in that statement.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3800	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:44:00 - [90] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: True Adamance wrote: [quote=Jonny D Buelle][quote=Yun Hee Ryeon]Mr. Buelle: And why should a God show itself. The purpose of the Faith is to believe, not to know for a certainty. Its is my Faith that armours me from doubt so that I do not fear the darkness of New Eden, nor do I know the uncertainties that the heathens do. Their is wisdom to be seen in that statement. Or folly. Perhaps God's intentions are not how I interpret them.... such is the nature of Faith. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 42	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:51:00 - [91] - Quote Also The Amarr under the rule of Empress Jamyl, released a couple million or so servants. After they did so the Caldari followed up on it on free will & set-up a "Former-Slave Training program" to help the former servants be ready to get jobs & etc. thus the servants returned to The Republic I assume. The Amarr also sent the Caldari a large care package under The Empress's rule & helped stabalize & aid The Caldari economy which helped aid the funding of things such as the Former-Slave Training program. Also during a incident (forgot the name began with a S I think) The Amarr sent the Gallente also ALOT of ISK to directly aid them. All under the rule of The Amarr Empress :) - the arguement the Amarr are all bad is incorrect.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 42	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:54:00 - [92] - Quote Need proof you say of what I speak? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jamyl_Sarum Here you are read thy self


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