Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways.

And this interests me how?

Its not designed to entertain you Mr Kalamari. Faith is something to be praised.

My entertainment is not the point, shouting every petty little event that happens, regardless of race or corporation is my point. This is the Intergalactic Summit, not the Intergalactic Notice Board

Like it says I use to be a Minmatar supporter how because I personally could relate but I was soon reborn as a pure Amarrian/Kameira clone to send death to all non-believers but I still hold true to my Minmatar ways.

Unfortunately we seem to have no really issue to discuss at this moment.

Perhaps the Reclaiming, Perhaps Operation Highlander, but until more is released to the presses we can do little more than speculate.

You do not need news to have a discussion, there's plenty of discussion to be had about the different faiths in New Eden for instance. There's moral problems to argue, even announcements for upcoming events can spur some discussion. But just announcing: "Hey, I'm leaving now so, yeah, just thought you'd want to know, y'know, okay?", doesn't have much to discuss about.

There is a thin line between being faithful and blinding fanaticism.
If you fight for ISK or for faith, you should tread either path carefully.

Neither is a bad thing if applied correctly to a scenario.

I would rather be blind than some hedonistic Gallentean lap dog of the Senate spouting his hypocritical ideals of freedom and liberty.

You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire.
You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs.

You My friend live by false ideals, such as that of being superior than others, this will be de down fall of the Empire because it is just a matter of time before others just like the Minmatar rise against the oppression of the Empire.
You dare call members of the Federation dogs? When you and your Amarr counter parts are the ones that do the Empire's bidding without questioning it and do so happily. Members of the Empire are the true slaves. no better than dogs.

The Empire has existed in more or less its current form for thousands of years, soldier. No other of the four great powers can say as much.

If it were just a "matter of time," the time should long since have come and gone. Even the Minmatar uprising required not one, but two major outside actors to provide the opportunity: the Jove at Vak'Atioth and the Gallente who armed the Matari.

The stability of the Empire is a great merit, but a sad truth for those who would prefer to evade its control: once under its sway, few cultures have pulled free.

"Rights" and "freedoms" are historical anomalies, soldier. Humanity has spent most of its history under one autocratic system or another. It remains to be seen whether democracy is robust enough to withstand the trials of history, but Amarrian feudalism has already stood the test of time long enough that it is foolish to expect it to collapse under its own weight.

We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so.

They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people.

It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner.

We are all God's children.

Rights and freedom are not anomalies, they are the very heart of every society and without rights or freedom we become anything but pawns to those who subjugate us.
It was the Empire's arrogance that lead to humiliating loss to the Jove.

Even though the Empire may never collapse it will change if it is to have a place in this Modern Era.

We do the Lord's work heathen. I do not think and ignorant of corrupt people like yours could understand the natre of God. However there is still hope for the Minmatar, why do you use and corrupt them so.

They are like children. They need a firm hand in how they are raise, for they too are God's chosen people.

It it not a false ideal to believe I am superior to you, though this is not how I see it. I just see myself as closer to God, no better or worse than the most pious saint, or debased sinner.

We are all God's children.

Let me clarify my terminology a little, soldier.

A "right," in this context, is not something granted by law, but by the universe. Legal rights do exist in every society (they are the latitude of action an individual legally possesses). A right in that context is reduced to "what you are allowed to do." It's the same for a freedom.

It is only the Gallente who regard certain rights as inherent, inviolable, and sacred. The idea that there are rights that can never be taken away-- that is a historical anomaly.

Is that the sort of right you were talking about? Otherwise, "rights" are as ubiquitous as "money," and their existence says about as much about the nature of a society (to wit, that it is a society with some minimal level of sophistication).

Most of us are relatively comfortable with the idea that rights are artifacts of the mind, something we cooked up for ourselves rather than anything "real." They can be broad, they can be narrow-- either way can work in the short term. The experiment is whether you can build a society to stand the test of ages by effectively making Freedom your god and Rights its divine agents, combining these into a national religion.

It might be so, our society does uphold certain rights and freedom above everything and will fight fiercely for them. For outsiders it might be seen as a far fetched ideal. For you it might be seen as an anomaly and as somewhat unnatural.

Frankly, I don't believe anything can withstand the test of time. not even the Federation, but its presence will remain.

A thoughtful answer, Mr. Callazar.

I do understand where you might come to think I was criticizing the Gallentean approach as unnatural, but the real issue is more that it's aggressive. Like the Amarr, the Gallente seem to feel that they have found a great truth that they have a sacred duty to share with everyone.

Only, not everyone worships the god Freedom, and not everyone wants to. We have our own histories, faiths, and cultural outlooks on the universe that are inconsistent with Gallentean-style individualism. That there might be valid reasons for not wishing to embrace your faith is an understanding the Federation has been reluctant or unable to accept, and so our cultures inevitably clash.

As it is with the Amarr, faith calls you to spread your truth. As it is with the Amarr, the rest of us will fight to keep our own truths.

It is ironic, but your faith in the god Freedom makes you conquerors.

I do not blame the Gallente for their beliefs-- as with the Amarr, you largely seem to do what you think is right. It is just that, because my own society disagrees with you about what is right (or what rights are, as the case may be), we have chosen to resist.

As a defender of that civilization, it is my place and role to protect my own home and way of life with violence when need be. And it seems that there is indeed a need.

It is nothing personal, soldier; nor is it even really a criticism of the Gallentean path, but I cannot allow that path to be extended through my home.

The conflict between the Federation and the Caldari State is much more complex and does require some thought. For both sides have reason to fight and to blame for the conflict escalation and attrition between both sides. I do not agree with some of the instances taken by my government towards Caldari State. However I cannot stand idle while it opposes a treat to the Federation and its citizens.
I also would not describe my belief in what the Gallente society stands for as a faith, we don not worship Freedom, we admire and respect it. As soldiers, we must fight for what we believe in and defend it at all costs. Because war is what we know.
Even with our differences I know when I meet a worthy adversary, if we meet in the battlefield I shall fight you with honour!

An honorable invitation, Mr. Callazar; I should like to be able to take you up on it.

Sadly, while we may, indeed meet, our senses of "honor" may differ somewhat. As a scout, a straight fight (with great respect to those who engage in them) is the very last thing I wish to become involved in. Trickery and foul play are my tools-- my work is more remote explosive traps and nova knives than what most soldiers think of as honorable warfare.

As a scout, my credo is simple: to do the job, and do it efficiently.

That being so, in the event that we do meet on the field, you would honour me most by fighting with all of your cunning and ingenuity.