P.s., have to say, looking forward to this patch!

signing in once for 30 seconds isn't a chore. It just rewards those who can get on. There must be one part in the day where you would be able to do it

Sounds good, but,

what about if you miss one day? Drop 500? (Good) loose it all and start again? (Turns game into a chore)

No, you get 3000 for the first day and 500 more if you sign in again the next day and so on.

If you miss a day, it resets to 3000 bonus sp.

EDIT: So if you sign in every other day you would only get a bonus of 3000 sp each time.

signing in once for 30 seconds isn't a chore. It just rewards those who can get on. There must be one part in the day where you would be able to do it

Well It's not like you have to, it's just a small bonus per day. No one is holding a gun up to you.

There's better reason to complain about Active and passive boosters before you complain about this trivial bonus.

So if you travel on the weekends then you'll miss how much by not being able to login saturday+ sunday?

Or Friday+saturday+sunday?

Wow, thanks for this genius you rude ******.

No one is being rude, I'm saying this is nothing but small bonus, nothing to get caught up about.

I'm only "rude" when people are being childish or stupid and you just made the list with that comment.

You're complaining that you'll (maybe) be missing out on bonus SP.

They aren't "taking" SP from you. You aren't magically entitled to that SP just because it's been announced that the extra SP is on offer for those players who can meet the requirements to earn it.

From the sound of things, you don't even need to play a match, you just have to sign in. If you have to be away from your PS3 for some reason (staying in another home, for example), you miss out on a bonus. Big deal. Next time you're on, you get that bonus. This isn't a problem. It's an EXTRA bonus on top of what you're earning. You're not LOSING anything by not getting it.

If I have a huge bag of candy and share some with my girlfriend one night, then share the remainder with both her and a couple of our friends the following night, we never "stole" candy from those friends on the night when it was just the two of us. This situation is no different, except that (hopefully) nobody here is dating their PS3 or an unfinished FPS.

You're complaining that you'll (maybe) be missing out on bonus SP.

They aren't "taking" SP from you. You aren't magically entitled to that SP just because it's been announced that the extra SP is on offer for those players who can meet the requirements to earn it.

From the sound of things, you don't even need to play a match, you just have to sign in. If you have to be away from your PS3 for some reason (staying in another home, for example), you miss out on a bonus. Big deal. Next time you're on, you get that bonus. This isn't a problem. It's an EXTRA bonus on top of what you're earning. You're not LOSING anything by not getting it.

If I have a huge bag of candy and share some with my girlfriend one night, then share the remainder with both her and a couple of our friends the following night, we never "stole" candy from those friends on the night when it was just the two of us. This situation is no different, except that (hopefully) nobody here is dating their PS3 or an unfinished FPS.

You would get upset if i stole some sp from you, admit it.

You are losing something if you dont log on, and you dont need a long example to see it do you?

No, you didn't say anything about them stealing SP.


But you still said that.

So if you travel on the weekends then you'll miss how much by not being able to login saturday+ sunday?

Or Friday+saturday+sunday?

Oh no, did i say "need", oops.

The thing is, you aren't "losing" something you've been given.

" You're doing something else that loses you that SP. "

Of course i had to quote that ;).... And it is entirely true. No matter how you put positive spin on the language. 'Bonus' whatever. (Everything is relative, e=mc and stuff.)

So you lose sp for doing all those other positive things, i.e. life.


So, actually, tjaking it further: ccp punish you in sp terms for getting on with life. Im all for reward for PLAYING. Reward for constant logging on, or even daily play is ridiculous and, dare i say it, irresponsible.

Giving players a reward for being regularly active in the game is not making you "lose" something. It's allowing you to gain something if you want it enough. If you have reasons not to play, or you have commitments that prevent you from coming home and signing in, that just means those things are higher priorities than your SP. In most cases, this probably shows that you're a well-balanced and mature person who can keep their gaming life in perspective (unlike me at at times)

Of course you had to quote that and ignore this:


Because the part you quoted WASN'T entirely correct and I clarified why later in my post. I said what I did there to run with the phrasing I was replying to, not because it's an accurate representation.

If a wealthy guy says he'll donate money to charity, that doesn't magically entitle every charity in the world to money from that person. If I say I'm going to give some candy to my friends when they visit, that doesn't magically mean that a friend who doesn't visit can expect me to take candy to their place when I visit them. And when CCP tell us they're giving us an additional SP reward for signing into the game daily, that doesn't mean you should get the reward without having to sign in.

Missing out on an opportunity doesn't cost you anything. Failure to earn stuff doesn't mean you lost it, because you never had it to lose. You lost the OPPORTUNITY TO EARN SP, and you lost it because of YOUR actions, not because of anything the devs did.

If you had logged in six or more days consecutively prior to that weekend, so would've picked up 6,000 SP on Friday, I think you would lose:

6,000 SP Fri
6,000 SP Sat
6,000 SP Sun
3,000 SP Mon if you log in
2,500 SP Tue if you log in
2,000 SP Wed if you log in
1,500 SP Thurs if you log in
1,000 SP Friday if you log in
500 SP Saturday if you log in

Grand total: 28,500 SP lost from missing three days. This is on the assumption that you immediately get reset to the base 3,000 SP if you miss a day. If the reset is more gradual (e.g. you miss a day, you get pushed down to 5,500 SP) then you would lose a bit less SP on Monday onwards.

Can't say I'm too happy with the daily active bonus. It's a real kick in the teeth if you have to be away from home for any reason, like normal people have to be. I suppose they thought they had to give bitter vets a reason to log in after 1.4 makes AFKing harder.

Wait... You guys care about just 28k SP??? If so, don't be. It should take less than 7 matches to get that much.

Seems like you miss the whole accumulation, if this is so it seems like pain in the ass, and rewards those who are prepared to log on for the sake of it.

Unless you hit your cap, in which case it will take you at least 28 matches (without booster). That's a week of games, pretty much. Quite a big deal.

And it's not like the 'bonus' is a one time thing. Suppose that, every other weekend, you can't log in - hardly an unusual situation. In six months you'll have 370,000 less SP than someone who logs in every day. That's equivalent to 370 post-cap matches.

Just another way CCP screws over casual players in favour of uber-grinders.

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THIS. exactly. I just dont get why they want to widen the gap here.... They always talk about balance, and the 'long game' but this seems designed for the opposite!

What are they trying to acheive?

Unless you hit your cap, in which case it will take you at least 28 matches (without booster). That's a week of games, pretty much. Quite a big deal.

And it's not like the 'bonus' is a one time thing. Suppose that, every other weekend, you can't log in - hardly an unusual situation. In six months you'll have 370,000 less SP than someone who logs in every day. That's equivalent to 370 post-cap matches.

Just another way CCP screws over casual players in favour of uber-grinders.

It's only "screwing over" a casual player if that casual player is HITTING THEIR CAP EVERY WEEK.

So... how "casual" are we talking here? Because that doesn't sound casual at all.

Fair point! Though I would say hitting the cap every week does not make you hardcore; some people hit the cap in a day. Maybe I should have said it screws over semi-serious players in favour of uber-grinders.

it's 3000-6000 per day. That's not very much at all, that's like logging on, playing a match or two, and then getting off.

I'm assuming (and hoping) that this log in bonus is just temporary and that it will eventually become more of a daily challenge type thing. Like one day the challenge is "get 15 assists" and then the next day it's "get 2 double kills in a single match" and so on. They could then also add weekly and monthly challenges that would take longer but be worth more SP/items.

1) you can't "lose" something that you never had to begin with.

2) there is an unlimited amount of SP out there to be earned. go earn it.

3) people who frequent institutions or work longer hours generally are rewarded (frequent flier miles or overtime pay for example). why should it be different in video games?

4) having both active and passive boosters should add 50% to the log-in bonuses.

This discussion of 'how big it is' is frusrating. We all know how big it is in numerical terms, what it means is different to us all. Moreover CCP decided it is big enough to acheive whatever it is they are trying to acheive. Sorry to the last poster, you've got the reply intended for many others trying to convince us it is not a lot of SP.

It is enough to be a factor in the game, period.

Sounds good, but,

what about if you miss one day? Drop 500? (Good) loose it all and start again? (Turns game into a chore)

every single iphone game ever released uses this system.

get used to it, it's the way of the future

You're complaining that you'll (maybe) be missing out on bonus SP.

They aren't "taking" SP from you. You aren't magically entitled to that SP just because it's been announced that the extra SP is on offer for those players who can meet the requirements to earn it.

From the sound of things, you don't even need to play a match, you just have to sign in. If you have to be away from your PS3 for some reason (staying in another home, for example), you miss out on a bonus. Big deal. Next time you're on, you get that bonus. This isn't a problem. It's an EXTRA bonus on top of what you're earning. You're not LOSING anything by not getting it.

If I have a huge bag of candy and share some with my girlfriend one night, then share the remainder with both her and a couple of our friends the following night, we never "stole" candy from those friends on the night when it was just the two of us. This situation is no different, except that (hopefully) nobody here is dating their PS3 or an unfinished FPS.