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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:04:00 -
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You're complaining that you'll (maybe) be missing out on bonus SP.
They aren't "taking" SP from you. You aren't magically entitled to that SP just because it's been announced that the extra SP is on offer for those players who can meet the requirements to earn it.
From the sound of things, you don't even need to play a match, you just have to sign in. If you have to be away from your PS3 for some reason (staying in another home, for example), you miss out on a bonus. Big deal. Next time you're on, you get that bonus. This isn't a problem. It's an EXTRA bonus on top of what you're earning. You're not LOSING anything by not getting it.
If I have a huge bag of candy and share some with my girlfriend one night, then share the remainder with both her and a couple of our friends the following night, we never "stole" candy from those friends on the night when it was just the two of us. This situation is no different, except that (hopefully) nobody here is dating their PS3 or an unfinished FPS. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:08:00 -
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No, you didn't say anything about them stealing SP.
major faux-pas wrote:You would get upset if i stole some sp from you, admit it.
But you still said that. |
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:12:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:You are losing something if you dont log on, and you dont need a long example to see it do you?
There's a HUGE difference between "losing" something and "not gaining" something.
The friends in my example didn't "lose" candy by not visiting the night before. They GAINED candy by coming over when they did. If they had chosen not to visit at all, they would have nothing. They got something extra because they visited and we were good hosts.
CCP are being good hosts. When you choose to visit their game, they offer you little things to show their appreciation. Playing the game gives you more SP than sitting around and never playing. And now, signing in and potentially appearing in chat will earn you a little more SP as well.
There isn't a -X modifier being applied to your SP total because you didn't sign in.
EDIT: Implying that this is bad because you're "losing" SP by not signing in, and saying lines like "you wouldn't like it if I stole your SP" make it clear that you see this as CCP taking something from you. You claim otherwise, but you're still thinking of this as a threat because you won't be getting something you didn't get before either. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:52:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Oh no, did i say "need", oops.
This made me laugh.
I know I've disagreed with basically the core premise of your argument, but +1 for this post anyway.
Also, your gaming addiction isn't CCP's fault. You should probably see someone about it though. There are support groups for this kind of thing. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:25:00 -
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The thing is, you aren't "losing" something you've been given.
You're doing something else that loses you that SP.
You're making a meaningful decision that has lasting consequences, even when that decision is to NOT PLAY THE GAME. It's your decision that makes you miss out on that opportunity for SP. It isn't CCP saying "nope, you didn't do what we asked, so we're taking away the SP we gave you. It isn't SP they already gave you that's going away. It's only the potential you had to earn extra SP that's being "lost".
It would be possible for me to start a whole bunch of alts, scam a ton of players, and get ridiculous amounts of ISK. It would be equally possible for me to start up a legitimate in-game business that would make me a significant amount more ISK than I currently earn. If I don't choose to do those things, I'm not "losing" ISK. I'm passing up opportunities to earn ISK in order to spend my time doing other things that are more enjoyable to me.
I could simply spend more time playing DUST, and less time playing the various other games I enjoy, and make more SP and ISK, but I choose to vary my gaming and enjoy myself more, and to occasionally go out and have fun doing things that aren't videogames.
Giving players a reward for being regularly active in the game is not making you "lose" something. It's allowing you to gain something if you want it enough. If you have reasons not to play, or you have commitments that prevent you from coming home and signing in, that just means those things are higher priorities than your SP. In most cases, this probably shows that you're a well-balanced and mature person who can keep their gaming life in perspective (unlike me at at times) |
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:42:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The thing is, you aren't "losing" something you've been given.
" You're doing something else that loses you that SP. " Of course i had to quote that ;).... And it is entirely true. No matter how you put positive spin on the language. 'Bonus' whatever. (Everything is relative, e=mc and stuff.) So you lose sp for doing all those other positive things, i.e. life. So, actually, tjaking it further: ccp punish you in sp terms for getting on with life. Im all for reward for PLAYING. Reward for constant logging on, or even daily play is ridiculous and, dare i say it, irresponsible.
Of course you had to quote that and ignore this:
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Giving players a reward for being regularly active in the game is not making you "lose" something. It's allowing you to gain something if you want it enough. If you have reasons not to play, or you have commitments that prevent you from coming home and signing in, that just means those things are higher priorities than your SP. In most cases, this probably shows that you're a well-balanced and mature person who can keep their gaming life in perspective (unlike me at at times)
Because the part you quoted WASN'T entirely correct and I clarified why later in my post. I said what I did there to run with the phrasing I was replying to, not because it's an accurate representation.
If a wealthy guy says he'll donate money to charity, that doesn't magically entitle every charity in the world to money from that person. If I say I'm going to give some candy to my friends when they visit, that doesn't magically mean that a friend who doesn't visit can expect me to take candy to their place when I visit them. And when CCP tell us they're giving us an additional SP reward for signing into the game daily, that doesn't mean you should get the reward without having to sign in.
Missing out on an opportunity doesn't cost you anything. Failure to earn stuff doesn't mean you lost it, because you never had it to lose. You lost the OPPORTUNITY TO EARN SP, and you lost it because of YOUR actions, not because of anything the devs did. |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:19:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Wait... You guys care about just 28k SP??? If so, don't be. It should take less than 7 matches to get that much. Unless you hit your cap, in which case it will take you at least 28 matches (without booster). That's a week of games, pretty much. Quite a big deal. And it's not like the 'bonus' is a one time thing. Suppose that, every other weekend, you can't log in - hardly an unusual situation. In six months you'll have 370,000 less SP than someone who logs in every day. That's equivalent to 370 post-cap matches. Just another way CCP screws over casual players in favour of uber-grinders.
It's only "screwing over" a casual player if that casual player is HITTING THEIR CAP EVERY WEEK.
So... how "casual" are we talking here? Because that doesn't sound casual at all. |
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