when i think about their efficiency compared to FGg. They are sort of UP... Only to the point of shields dropping though.

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Swarms underpowered? You must be joking when you say you tank.

Seriously.

when i think about their efficiency compared to FGg. They are sort of UP... Only to the point of shields dropping though.

Seriously.

It does need a buff though.

Go home you're drunk.

hold your opinion on this for after 1.5.... then you may see all they did was balance AV with vehicles.

It may not be needed, but I want it.

Make it so CCP!

LOL YOU'RE DRUNK

Please, explain yourself. Go on, elaborate.

I can't solo a tank, therefor, needs buff.

If a tank can solo the whole enemy team, yeah pretty much.

+1 kirk

Seriously.

the update to SL isnt a buff, hell they already have a hard time cracking shields and now they are losing ammo?

Only a bad tanker gets killed by swarms.

If the some of the enemy team doesn't work together to destroy the tank they deserve an ass whooping.

Yes it is, swarms are useless, you can only kill noobs with them as it is.

Buff Swarms.

And while you are at it buff my Kaalakiota FG. Im mad the Ishikune one hits harder. TY.

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F*** vehicles.

the update to SL isnt a buff, hell they already have a hard time cracking shields and now they are losing ammo?

the update to SL isnt a buff, hell they already have a hard time cracking shields and now they are losing ammo?

tears sweet tears, so. much. delish. keep crying

You obviously have never been in a tank.

Swarms need a huge buff, right now they aren't worth using. Even proto launchers are nothing compared to the STD Forge, or 3 Packed AV nades. And when you carry a swarm, you only have a secondary as your anti-personal defense...

Swarms are useless right now. Especially since they inexplicably lose there their lock on sometimes, leaving the Swarm user a sitting duck.


I say take them out of the game, or make them secondaries, because they are that meaningless as primaries.

O.O ishyukone hits hard enough.. i dont need you hitting any harder, switch assault and normal Fg damage.

Of course i have. Im a terrible driver i must admit, but i've been inside tanks with a GOOD tank driver that goes 35+ kills a game and dies not a single one. All while being shot by proto AV all the time.

Im sorry you lack this level of skill (Same as me) but the fact is, a tanker can survive EVERYTHING that is not a simultaneous/coordinated AV attack with 3-4 AV soldiers....

all they did was speed up the missiles..

and lengthen the time to lock on to those vehicles..

ikr, nobody fking asked for it.. not did we want it... poor armor tanks... but then again proto forge r8pes shield tanks, like taking candy from your own hand... :( SMH

Well , im against 1 person being able to CHANGE the course of a whole battle.
the fact you say teamwork is needed to succeed/win is contradictory since tanks can be soloed and change the whole course of a battle, with no team work at all.Would be a different story if the one driving and the one using the Main turret were 2 different people....
But its not.
So if a tank can be used solo, so should it be able to be destroyed by a solo Specialized AV infantry :3

Sounds like ambush to me. Also sounds like you don't know what incoming PRO AV feels like. Also sounds like lolprotostomping in ambush to boot.

tears sweet tears, so. much. delish. keep crying

LOL they're dealing ~7000 damage in 4 seconds within the first volley hitting. You call that a nerf? They're doing that because you can't switch weapons, or whatever the hell else after letting off a volley. So what do they do? Give swarms a huge buff instead of getting rid of crap code that prevents you from doing activities right after you release a volley.

They're not getting a nerf, they're getting a buff.

You need to calm the spazzy out, I didnt say the update was a nerf, but to me it doesnt sound like a buff either, increasing ROF (we will see how that works out with the lock on increase) at the expense of ammo sounds like a crap trade off.

If your running SL you will know your never rapid firing at a blaster HAV or hitting red line HAV consecutively as they pull behind a hill or whatever and it takes time and attrition to get anywhere with them.

If anything this update will make smoking LLAV a tad easier, but any good HAV will still be in the SAME situation as before. Also gone are the days of smoking a CRU when your bored, they said nothing how the ammo will affect nano clusters, I guess we just get shafted on that account too. Funny how this ROF change plays into the hands of active HAV module changes, but I guess your QQ clouded your vision on that one.

FG are way more powerful than SL, they arent getting shafted out of the deal, this whole update reeks of a stealth change to make SL deal with LAV/DS and let the FG terrorise as before. Ive put my sp into proto SL I can tell you from experiance it isnt the end all weapon HAV running bitches like to make out.

Oh yea your 13yo rant is rather amusing dude.

Might sound like it, but it wasnt.

Was in skirmish.

I dont proto stomp:

-I use an Advanced dropsuit, basic.
-I use Proto FG. Kaalakiota (got it 2 days ago)
-I dont have a corp nor squad to play.

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The tankers i see they do the best when im around are ones calles Frost Byte and the other one has a long a** name like: NINJAROBOT....... and more words. Weird dude.But he went 35+ kills in 2 skirmish matches in a row , no deaths.

Somebody that absolutely cannot imagine themselves in the pilot's seat.

I want to get offline, but I'll give you a Madrugar to try out. Right now. So you can see what it's like going up against PRO AV.

How about you learn tactics, teamwork and intelligence, and keep it so bad players can't solo intelligent tankers.

I will:

Only a bad tanker gets killed by swarms.Hell even a Drop ship , they get hit once and fly so damn fast they are in another map by the time the second volley comes out.... You cant get hit by them if you have good positioning with a tank. You getting killed by swarms in a tank?
1-you are a bad tanker
2-You were not supposed to be there
3-Your tank fitting is bad

Am i the only one that actually has played with tankers that go 35+ kills and ZERO deaths lately?

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We better get some damn good tanks when 1.5 drops, or else there will be enough tankers left on Dust to count with two hands.

I would very much like this.I prefer few GOOD tankers than -+ dust player base playing tanks and swarming the forums with their tears....

Why are you so against one AV player killing one tanker?

What good is a tank if one idiot with Lai Dai can destroy it from full health in a few seconds?

It's a damn tank, it's a force multiplier, similar to a good sniper, in other ways vastly superior. I watch my armor start going down by individual numbers quickly if someone is shooting me with a GEK. It should be like if you're shooting an M4A1 at an M1A1 Abrams. Absolutely nothing.

People complain "your rail gun can one shot dropsuits waaaah" BECAUSE IT'S A TANK. Tanks fight other tanks. Why should railguns be so weak that tanks can't fight each other over distance?

I swear, assaults want the railgun to be no better than a sniper rifle, blaster no better than a GEK, and missile turrets no better than the mass driver.

We don't have homing turrets either. AV has the swarm and AV grenades. Both are devastating to armor. Forge guns have a +10% bonus against armor, too. Why, I don't have a clue.

What good is a tank if one idiot with Lai Dai can destroy it from full health in a few seconds?

If tanks were force multipliers, hard to kill and death machines. Then what would keep them balanced?

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Another one that wants to solo tanks with MLT gear.

You assuming people would work together. Assuming that two people would have proto AV and assuming that the Infantry around the tank wouldn't cut them down immediately.

Anybody that has gone dedicated AV has about the survivability of a militia scout, when facing infantry.

If AV has to work together, so do tankers. Though, with the option to remove small turrets, I only see tankers working mire selfishly.

Meh, I run solo as well.

Started running a squad of 6 vehicle users. You sure you want us to work together?

Started running a squad of 6 vehicle users. You sure you want us to work together?

Started running a squad of 6 vehicle users. You sure you want us to work together?

I certainly could use the war points.

So why is the expectation that infantry use teamwork to counter vehicles a given while vehicle users doing the same to survive AV is being treated as a new concept?

Because ~2000 damage per AV grenade.

So why is the expectation that infantry use teamwork to counter vehicles a given while vehicle users doing the same to survive AV is being treated as a new concept?

Two guys spamming Lai Dais. Without getting more grenades, that's ~12,000 damage. Tank can't accelerate fast enough to escape that, nevermind getting modules running.

So why is the expectation that infantry use teamwork to counter vehicles a given while vehicle users doing the same to survive AV is being treated as a new concept?

You do realize they coupled it with a nerf, right?

Why is it so hard for people to read patch notes.. Or, they do, but since they don't actually use the weapon system they start crying wolf..

The overall DPS stays on par, due to the reload between shots 3 and 4. Used to be you could fire 5 shots before reloading, now it's max 3. The only thing they're doing is fixing the re-lock time, which has been horribly screwed up for ages now.

1800 for the proto version of the packed, the one with less seek range, which won't one shot either LLAV's or tanks like locus do to infantry.

Honestly If a tank gets solod by AV nades he is either unaware of the situation or simply has bad luck. You need to get close to spam AV nades that puts you on high risk and if the tanker recognizes you you are dead. If someone sits on a hive spamming AV nades he has either succesfully sneaked up to or set a trap in both cases he deserves the kill. Also the Lai Dai is a proto AV nade it should be able to kill std and adv gear.

BUT I am a bit unsure wether I like the effectiveness of AV nades or not. On one hand they are high risk high reward but beeing more effective as the other AV options seems not right. I still believe they should get a penalty against tanks and a bonus against LAVs

1800 for the proto version of the packed, the one with less seek range, which won't one shot either LLAV's or tanks like locus do to infantry.

Honestly If a tank gets solod by AV nades he is either unaware of the situation or simply has bad luck. You need to get close to spam AV nades that puts you on high risk and if the tanker recognizes you you are dead. If someone sits on a hive spamming AV nades he has either succesfully sneaked up to or set a trap in both cases he deserves the kill. Also the Lai Dai is a proto AV nade it should be able to kill std and adv gear.

BUT I am a bit unsure wether I like the effectiveness of AV nades or not. On one hand they are high risk high reward but beeing more effective as the other AV options seems not right. I still believe they should get a penalty against tanks and a bonus against LAVs

You do realize they coupled it with a nerf, right?

Why is it so hard for people to read patch notes.. Or, they do, but since they don't actually use the weapon system they start crying wolf..

The overall DPS stays on par, due to the reload between shots 3 and 4. Used to be you could fire 5 shots before reloading, now it's max 3. The only thing they're doing is fixing the re-lock time, which has been horribly screwed up for ages now.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing AV nades lose their ability to do damage; instead, have them temporarily disable the vehicle and prevent them from moving/firing for a few seconds. Pair a fast/sneaky infantry unit that can get in range for the AV nades with an FG/SLer and see what you can do.

OR tanks need proto level! Basic/advanced tanks obviously shouldn't compete with prototype level swarms. It's best to wait for CCP to let them be in the game.