Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks.

The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances.

I disagree, the existence of Logi LAVs does not preclude the existence of proto AV.

Removing Logi LAVs would not remove proto AV.

Logi LAVs didnt ruin it for tankers, Proto AV did.

All logi LAVs did was bring proto AV into the picture sooner, without them the QQ threads would have still been there, but just at a slightly later date.

You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more

Erm, I'm really not sure what you're saying? Yes, a LLAV without so much eHP would be easier to kill, making them less of a problem.

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Erm, I'm really not sure what you're saying? Yes, a LLAV without so much eHP would be easier to kill, making them less of a problem.

It's a good thing.

I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb ****, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is.

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I don't mind people having proto AV. If we had proto tanks i would be a lot happier. But currently standard vs proto doesn't fit well.

When we currently only have standard tanks vs 4 guys with proto swarms and forge and grenades. It's very hard not to get destroyed

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You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more

you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster.

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It's a good thing.

I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb ****, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is.

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you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster.

Why should everyone spec into proto AV? Is this game called AV514 now? I've got enough to spec into as it is just to counter the proto stomping beta players.

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Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank.

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Jason if you fit 2 local powerupgrades a heavy azeotropic a heavy converse and 2 ward ampifiers with 1 surge you have pretty much 10s of invulnerability honestly try it the acctive is good wgen combined with 2 passive myehp goes from 7500 to over 11k fir 10 seconds at a time . I was experamenting with diff combos of pasive and acctive resistance for shields and 2 passive and 1 acctive is the way to go.

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Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank.

your funny... there is no way to passive tank on either tank right now. just w/o the extender it would take 2+ minutes get my shields back. boosters save me long enough to get out and live. hell to passively tank one shot from a proto AV would take a minute to get it back.

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Ladwar you scrub, lern2spidertank.

Join the channel 'Honey Badger' (Type it exactly after the word channel) and I'll teach you when I figure out how to use the damn keyboard.

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your funny... there is no way to passive tank on either tank right now. just w/o the extender it would take 2+ minutes get my shields back. boosters save me long enough to get out and live. hell to passively tank one shot from a proto AV would take a minute to get it back.

i am the original spider tank . solo passive tanking does not work.

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It's currently so hard to find a match, where there aren't 4 people with swarms and forge guns.

Some people even spawn with swarms.


Logi lavs become so common and overpowered that people had to get proto av nades and swarms and forge guns just to try to deal with them. Now that all these people have AV equipment they just pull them out and insta destroy a tank.


1.5 better be good for tanks, because 1 and every 5 guys has proto AV now.

You fitting isn't the best it has only 3650 shield or something though you seemed to be pretty decent with it. Why missiles instead of large blasters?

You say that.. but I've been running a Gunnlogi with an Ion Cannon, all tank, but it's a skirmisher Tank.

Roll up, score kills, run the **** away when you reach around 1/5 of your shields.

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You say that.. but I've been running a Gunnlogi with an Ion Cannon, all tank, but it's a skirmisher Tank.

Roll up, score kills, run the **** away when you reach around 1/5 of your shields.

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Oh, it's job of running ppl over? I think it will still be able to do that without the eHP.


I have yet to know what an LLAV's job is other than murder taxi.

LOL Logi LAVs make assaults rage because they can't solo them with MLT grade gear.

I cant solo them with a Proto Forge gun

are you recalling and redeploying?

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Learn to aim?

I only run AV grenades now on all my fits due to the LAV outbreak

Lav's are just so annoying, they insta kill you at least you could hide from a tank and pin it down.

Lav's are so fast and have so much resistance that they are nearly impossible to kill.

or do what i do... just ram them. no wp but still kills them and the LLAV

It's currently so hard to find a match, where there aren't 4 people with swarms and forge guns.

Some people even spawn with swarms.


Logi lavs become so common and overpowered that people had to get proto av nades and swarms and forge guns just to try to deal with them. Now that all these people have AV equipment they just pull them out and insta destroy a tank.


1.5 better be good for tanks, because 1 and every 5 guys has proto AV now.

Learn to aim?

Sounds like you're trying to do it solo.

people can solo tanks, why not solo lav's?

And no i never solo an lav, unless i'm in my tank

And tell me how do you know i cant aim?

Maybe...
Its not the fact that LLAv's CANT be 1-2 shotted by ANY proto weapon.
Its not the fact that LLAvs are extremeley fast
Its not the fact that terrain is highly irregular making the LLAvs jump up and down making aiming a LOT harder
Its not that they have up to 70% damage resistance mods and good shield regen.

No. Its me ,i suck at aiming. That must be it. Godin Theturd said it, so it must be true.

LOL

Lame.

And tell me how do you know i cant aim?

Maybe...
Its not the fact that LLAv's CAN be 1-2 shotted by ANY proto weapon.
Its not the fact that LLAvs are extremeley fast
Its not the fact that terrain is highly irregular making the LLAvs jump up and down making aiming a LOT harder
Its not that they have up to 60% damage resistance mods and poor shield regen.

No. Its me ,i suck at aiming. That must be it. Godin Theturd said it, so it must be true.

LOL

Lame.

lol, If I can kill a Chary, which gets a damage reduction from FG's with a mlt FG, you're doing something wrong.

Hardener isn't good enough, run buffer spider tank, exchange Hardener for Light Transporter.

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fixed.

And tell me how do you know i cant aim?

Maybe...
Its not the fact that LLAv's CANT be 1-2 shotted by ANY proto weapon.
Its not the fact that LLAvs are extremeley fast
Its not the fact that terrain is highly irregular making the LLAvs jump up and down making aiming a LOT harder
Its not that they have up to 70% damage resistance mods and good shield regen.

No. Its me ,i suck at aiming. That must be it. Godin The Killer said it, so it must be true.

LOL

Lame.

I started putting major SP in AV because of the lolious LAV give away, now LLAV are rampant am kinda glad I did, except nobody drives the gallente one so they are still a pain in the ass.

Credit to some LLAV pilots though, am starting to see more of them back up a HAV and rep them while the HAV goes on a killing spree, making it incredibly tough to destroy, cudos for that.

However am still seeing 99% of them drive around mental with their 60% shield resists dodging between FG bolts like they are starring in some Michael Bay bs, please CCP for the love of god swing that hammer at them, for all of us baby.

I cant solo them with a Proto Forge gun

Oh, it's job of running ppl over? I think it will still be able to do that without the eHP.


I have yet to know what an LLAV's job is other than murder taxi.

I too will preach the use of a light transporter on a buffer Gunnlogi. Ridiculous defense, ridiculous offense.

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But i can bet ANYTHING, i've shot twice in a row a ''Char'' LLAV with my Prof 3 Kaalakiota Forge gun and they just drive away.
I dont have any reason to lie.

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Must be a horribly fitted Chary.
Or you know? You are just lying.

Either does not affect how unkillable those things are ATM....

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lol, wants to 1 shot a vehicle. I see the LLV's being slightly slower, and they accelerate slightly slower, but from how you're sounding, you want them to have HAV speed, in which I lol at. And the terrain , it's called putting a slight lead. And to get a decent shield regen, you can't have a 70% resistance. About a 45-50% (that's with the damage reduction from the FG)

So yes, it's is your **** poor aiming. Like I said, I've killed LAV's, SLAV's, AND LLV's with a MLT FG, so how can you NOT kill them with a OP PROTO FG? Your **** aim. lol


-I dont want to 1 Shot Anything. But a LAV so fast should be able to b destroyed with 2 shots.
-I dont know if the acceleration part its true. But if it is,i dont think it really changes anything.
-I dont want them to have HAV speed, thats you talking. But i dont want them to have SCOUT LAV speed either.
-50% its still, a . LOT.
-I understand you dont like me, and you dont have to. I think you're a pretty Lame person and im not interested in what you think of me. But dont talk about my aim because i dont miss with my FG at all. And i've hit LLAVs twice, and they dont die, and then they drive away,out of my reach...ITs not my aim. As you said it, if YOU can kill stuff with a MLT FG, then I can do that even better. The fact these LLAVs survive and get away proves how resilient they are. In any case. Im actually NOT requesting a nerf for LAVs.If they do so i will have less stuff to shoot at. I only hope they have the speed they are supposed to.

Because even using swarms is too hard for you. Can't protostomp with Wiyrkomis in your hands.

It's currently so hard to find a match, where there aren't 4 people with swarms and forge guns.

Some people even spawn with swarms.


Logi lavs become so common and overpowered that people had to get proto av nades and swarms and forge guns just to try to deal with them. Now that all these people have AV equipment they just pull them out and insta destroy a tank.


1.5 better be good for tanks, because 1 and every 5 guys has proto AV now.

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I didnt contradict myself. When did I?

There is nothing wrong with someone spawning with AV dude......its called playing as an AV user....

It was a problem before with not enough people playing as AV and not having that role fulfilled by people in the match, so vehicles were able to run uncontested, obv leading to infantry QQ

Rather, the problem we have now is there is no need for an AV role, since every suit, regardless of their fitting can equip baseball nukes that shred vehicles for 1 isk, has a skill that gives them every type of grenade and doesnt even have a high multiplier, locks on, and even sits on the ground if you miss with the homing feature, so its a mine too

AV grenades as they are currently ingame is simply a bad game mechanic. Vehicle users no longer care about whether or not someone has a AR or forge gun in his hands, everyone has the potential to put out over 7k damage in 2 seconds.

A similar problem was with the TAC AR during its heyday. It had tank-busting dps and even though ARs are supposed to be the jack of all trades, master of none, it did it all even in other weapons' and suits' strong ranges and it was stupid to use anything else.
no point having a specialized role if everyone can do it.....

.......... wut? Yea, English isn't your first language all right. Fixed

Ok its very clear you dont like me. Cool, i dont like you either.
Leaving that aside....



BUT you are telling me you SERIOUSLY THINK, LLAvs are balanced then >..>

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I'm seriously not even sure what to say to this. I mean really, such reasonless insults. What are you trying to accomplish other than getting on people's block lists?

or do what i do... just ram them. no wp but still kills them and the LLAV

Logi LAVs are ******* ridiculous. I swear their shield recharges and HP is much more than a tank. Plus they are much faster.

your funny... there is no way to passive tank on either tank right now. just w/o the extender it would take 2+ minutes get my shields back. boosters save me long enough to get out and live. hell to passively tank one shot from a proto AV would take a minute to get it back.

Lol you're still doing it wrong.

I'm quite sorry I ever preached the idea of Proto Type tanks, really.

Whilst I understand you and the problems you face as a Tanker, Prototype tanks would create a massive imbalance, something I massively against. You, me and every Tanker in this game wants prototype tanks for a reason, so we can be very powerful and lord over the peasants, I dare a single Tanker to prove me wrong.

We just need to sit tight and play it smart, let the Infantry fools and the AV scrubs come at us, recall your vehicles and be the biggest menace, but do not blame the LLAVs for this, this was going to happen but thankfully these were here to speed it up in time for a much needed fix.

And for those fools demanding a nerf, Vehicle, AV and Infantry, you are all morons. A LLAV needs its tank, not everything must be nerfed through making it weaker to balance it, it must have proper measures taken to restrict its killing power and we must also look at making it more beneficial to kill using the turret (Since LLAvs suffer with a -50% Damage reduction), once properly restricted, take measures to ensure its value on the battlefield as an Infantry and Vehicle support vehicle and its tank will be justified.

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Idk i dont have problems with av i still pub stomp like a boss with my tank... when i use it

AV is part of the game. I've received hate mail from 'AUR' tank users for destroying their real money tanks. Do you want us to let you kill us over and over again without at least trying to kill you? If so, you're definitely doing it wrong. If your tanks are being destroyed quick, or you can't take out the infantry destroying you quick enough, perhaps you weren't meant to be a tanker.

You just contradicted yourself, and misunderstood me.... Are you tired or something? Wait, no, you're drunk. Go to bed.

Now let's see:

- You clearly said "I can't 1-2 shot a LLV with my PROTO FG. Therefore, you want to do this.
Well maybe not 1 shot, but 2-3 shots SHOULD be enough to take a shield LLAV out. COUNTING repairs and REsistances , I've literally shoot the same LAV about 4-5 times in a small time window and he still had enough HP to leave my FG range area....

- Yes, it does. Tested, and is confirmed. I said it could be lowered even more. Well we agree on something for a change.

- If you didn't specify. That's what feedback is all about. bad feedback is what you did.
You cant expect EVERY single person in the face of the earth to explain themselves perfectly through a language its not even their native one. I spend enough time using the st*pid auto correct so that my messages dont look like unreadable.
So im very sorry if i couldnt make myself clear.

- With skills, If a had the Adv. AFG against my Limbus, not counting a repairer (some fits don't have a built in one), it takes takes about 4 shots, and I'm not even at pro. skill for FG (I'm still at lvl4 for FG). In 5 seconds, I could think of deifferent positions I would be in to take it on, and how I would take it on. ALl require a steady hand, and patience, and counting skills, which you apparently don't use/don't have. I think you should find another role, because this really isn't suited for you.
Well i think you are mistaken. Im very precise with my FG. I can HIt infantry at max range (im talking actually hitting, not killing with splash damage and an assault FG), And i've taken a LOT of tanks out and Dropships. If i can actually kill a tank but not an LLAv i know something is wrong. So dont worry about my role, i fulfill it pretty well.Plus im not a Forge gunner only, i also play scout and dedicate myself to take objectives and spam uplinks.It really depends on what my team needs...

Oh, and and if you can do better than me using a MLT FG, whyy aren't you killing LLV's like crazy with your PROTO FG?
Well, lets say what you are saying is true, YOU DO KILL LLAVs with 3000 shields,damage resistances AND regen modules.Then i really think you are talking about any random noob with this machine. It is just NOT possible to drop a good player with a militia FG unless they are mentally challenged. Me (I use Kaalakiota FG, Prof 3, Damage mod 1): 1st shot, hit.The LLAV looses a little under -+ shield damage.Activates shield regen.2nd hit: leaves the LLAV with almost no shield,but still has about a 1/6 to work with, while moving as fast as possible to leave my range.3rd hit, if hit,it leaves the LLAv on fire,sadly he will be already too far away for a 4th shot. So explain me how can YOU kill a LLAV with a MLT FG unless , the driver is not driving the LLAV or again, he is mentally challenged? Again, Tanks are a Different story, if they are misplaced they get ravaged by Forge guns, but thats the lack of mobility talking....