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N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1192	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:29:00 - [1] - Quote It's currently so hard to find a match, where there aren't 4 people with swarms and forge guns. Some people even spawn with swarms. Logi lavs become so common and overpowered that people had to get proto av nades and swarms and forge guns just to try to deal with them. Now that all these people have AV equipment they just pull them out and insta destroy a tank. 1.5 better be good for tanks, because 1 and every 5 guys has proto AV now.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1347	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:36:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2801	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote I specced into proto AV today because of an LLAV.
Tank Gorillarape Ancient Exiles 48	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:38:00 - [4] - Quote Idk i dont have problems with av i still pub stomp like a boss with my tank... when i use it
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 204	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote I just rail snipe now it so much easy to live than to run in and go guns blazing but a tank shouldn't be a one man army. Pulse I thank 1/5 should use av other wise tank would be op.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 188	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:44:00 - [6] - Quote I only run AV grenades now on all my fits due to the LAV outbreak
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1193	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:46:00 - [7] - Quote Lav's are just so annoying, they insta kill you at least you could hide from a tank and pin it down. Lav's are so fast and have so much resistance that they are nearly impossible to kill.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1896	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote I disagree, the existence of Logi LAVs does not preclude the existence of proto AV. Removing Logi LAVs would not remove proto AV. Logi LAVs didnt ruin it for tankers, Proto AV did. All logi LAVs did was bring proto AV into the picture sooner, the imbalance would have still been there, but just at a slightly later date.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 405	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances. You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1195	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:56:00 - [10] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I disagree, the existence of Logi LAVs does not preclude the existence of proto AV. Removing Logi LAVs would not remove proto AV. Logi LAVs didnt ruin it for tankers, Proto AV did. All logi LAVs did was bring proto AV into the picture sooner, without them the QQ threads would have still been there, but just at a slightly later date. They made everyone spec into AV. Most people don't even think about it, they decide to let someone else take care of a tank, then the logi lav comes in and even 3 guys can't take it down, not to mention there is 3 of them on the field at a time. Sense so many people already have AV, theres no reason not to use them against a tank, even though Lavs are gonna have a harder time killing infantry via hit and run
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1348	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:59:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances. You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more Erm, I'm really not sure what you're saying? Yes, a LLAV without so much eHP would be easier to kill, making them less of a problem.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 405	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:01:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances. You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more Erm, I'm really not sure what you're saying? Yes, a LLAV without so much eHP would be easier to kill, making them less of a problem. Confirmed for being a idiot. A LLV without a high eHP i a horrible LLV. Slight acceleration/speed nerf would be fine.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2874	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote It's a good thing. I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb **, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Logi LAVs are ******* ridiculous. I swear their shield recharges and HP is much more than a tank. Plus they are much faster.
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 57	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:04:00 - [15] - Quote Proto Proxy's take care of that logi lav for ya
Sarducar Kahn xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers 58	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:04:00 - [16] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances. You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more Erm, I'm really not sure what you're saying? Yes, a LLAV without so much eHP would be easier to kill, making them less of a problem. An LLAV doing its role is is sitting behind infantry repoing one and supporting with its turret. Or following and reaping tanks. If 1 swarm can kill it nobody would bother. And nobody bothers now because of bad triage and no infantry triage mods.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1196	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:07:00 - [17] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: It's a good thing. I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb **, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I don't mind people having proto AV. If we had proto tanks i would be a lot happier. But currently standard vs proto doesn't fit well. When we currently only have standard tanks vs 4 guys with proto swarms and forge and grenades. It's very hard not to get destroyed
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1308	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:10:00 - [18] - Quote you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2875	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:24:00 - [19] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: It's a good thing. I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb **, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I don't mind people having proto AV. If we had proto tanks i would be a lot happier. But currently standard vs proto doesn't fit well. When we currently only have standard tanks vs 4 guys with proto swarms and forge and grenades. It's very hard not to get destroyed I'm quite sorry I ever preached the idea of Proto Type tanks, really. Whilst I understand you and the problems you face as a Tanker, Prototype tanks would create a massive imbalance, something I massively against. You, me and every Tanker in this game wants prototype tanks for a reason, so we can be very powerful and lord over the peasants, I dare a single Tanker to prove me wrong. We just need to sit tight and play it smart, let the Infantry fools and the AV scrubs come at us, recall your vehicles and be the biggest menace, but do not blame the LLAVs for this, this was going to happen but thankfully these were here to speed it up in time for a much needed fix. And for those fools demanding a nerf, Vehicle, AV and Infantry, you are all morons. A LLAV needs its tank, not everything must be nerfed through making it weaker to balance it, it must have proper measures taken to restrict its killing power and we must also look at making it more beneficial to kill using the turret (Since LLAvs suffer with a -50% Damage reduction), once properly restricted, take measures to ensure its value on the battlefield as an Infantry and Vehicle support vehicle and its tank will be justified. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:28:00 - [20] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Agreed - I'm one of the people who often spawn with swarms because I know that I have to get out there early to stop people getting to our near objective or dropships getting tower snipers set up within the first minute. This is bad for tanks. The murder taxi fix will likely make a decent difference to the prevalence of LLAVs but they will always be a problem as long as they have both massive HP and resistances. You seriously think that a LLV without a high eHP can do it's role? Cry some more Oh, it's job of running ppl over? I think it will still be able to do that without the eHP.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2875	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote ladwar wrote: you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster. Why does your Gunnlogi have such little HP? Dual Boosters mean nothing on a Gunnlogi. I have over 10k eHP on my Gunnlogi, it's a very effective team weapon. For my solos I have much more than 6000 eHP. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:32:00 - [22] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: It's a good thing. I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb **, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. Why should everyone spec into proto AV? Is this game called AV514 now? I've got enough to spec into as it is just to counter the proto stomping beta players.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:35:00 - [23] - Quote ladwar wrote: you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster. Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2875	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:37:00 - [24] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: It's a good thing. I specced into Proto AV because I'm not a dumb **, but apparently the majority of the people in this game needed a push into it, chill out, LLAVs only sped up the process of everyone getting proto AV, otherwise we'd be playing for a few more months until everyone realizes how good Proto AV is. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. Why should everyone spec into proto AV? Is this game called AV514 now? I've got enough to spec into as it is just to counter the proto stomping beta players. I never told you to spec into AV, I'd tell you either you're a fool or you're smart enough to run in a diverse squad with someone that focuses on AV. As long as you don't complain Vehicles are overpowered, then you're fine to not spec into AV, if however you do complain the vehicles are OP, then you need to spec into Proto AV. Is that clear? Also, A Charybdis takes three volleys from a Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher with triple damage mods. If a LLAV was any weaker, then it'd never do its job as an Infantry support. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2875	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:38:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: ladwar wrote: you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster. Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank. Hardener isn't good enough, run buffer spider tank, exchange Hardener for Light Transporter. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 722	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:42:00 - [26] - Quote Jason if you fit 2 local powerupgrades a heavy azeotropic a heavy converse and 2 ward ampifiers with 1 surge you have pretty much 10s of invulnerability honestly try it the acctive is good wgen combined with 2 passive myehp goes from 7500 to over 11k fir 10 seconds at a time . I was experamenting with diff combos of pasive and acctive resistance for shields and 2 passive and 1 acctive is the way to go.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 508	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:43:00 - [27] - Quote LOL Logi LAVs make assaults rage because they can't solo them with MLT grade gear.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2875	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:57:00 - [28] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Jason if you fit 2 local powerupgrades a heavy azeotropic a heavy converse and 2 ward ampifiers with 1 surge you have pretty much 10s of invulnerability honestly try it the acctive is good wgen combined with 2 passive myehp goes from 7500 to over 11k fir 10 seconds at a time . I was experamenting with diff combos of pasive and acctive resistance for shields and 2 passive and 1 acctive is the way to go. I prefer having a constant 10k Passive Shields with reps that give 1800 per use along with a good Blaster. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1309	Posted - 2013.08.28 21:58:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: ladwar wrote: you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster. Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank. your funny... there is no way to passive tank on either tank right now. just w/o the extender it would take 2+ minutes get my shields back. boosters save me long enough to get out and live. hell to passively tank one shot from a proto AV would take a minute to get it back.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2876	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:09:00 - [30] - Quote ladwar wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: ladwar wrote: you know what is sad? my LLAV has more eHP then my standard tank. my LLAV have 4400~ eHP while my standard gunnlogi has 4200~ eHP but i run dual heavy shield boosters to make up for the lower resistance but slightly higher HP and only put on light extender on my LLAV the other slot is a light booster. Passive tank on Gunnlogi. Extenders first, then an amp or two, then a hardener. Booster isn't going to save you for long and you shouldn't be sitting there long enough for something to take you out in a shield tank. your funny... there is no way to passive tank on either tank right now. just w/o the extender it would take 2+ minutes get my shields back. boosters save me long enough to get out and live. hell to passively tank one shot from a proto AV would take a minute to get it back. Ladwar you scrub, lern2spidertank. Join the channel 'Honey Badger' (Type it exactly after the word channel) and I'll teach you when I figure out how to use the damn keyboard. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

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