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Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF Only The Famous
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:55:00 -
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Reasons why it is.... Scrub
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:02:00 -
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How is that relevant? |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:04:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Just witness a 50/6 Team Player guy with a forge gun in a domination. It cant be just skill, he camped on top of one of the 6 huge towers.
Say what you will but a score like that cant be only skills. Lets just say that in a sense I was happy he was on my side, but its a serious WTF moment...
Most forge gun I see now are campers making huge amount of kills, is that the real intended behaviour with this weapon ? If only one thing was changed on the FG I'd have it be projectile speed. As it stands now, reticule turns red and they're dead. There has to be a draw back for such a relatively small weapon putting out that much power and maintaining said power over such a distance and that would be how fast you can send the projectile at the target. Not even plasma cannon slow but someplace between the PC speed and the current speed. Would take more skill to hit a DS but a tank would still be reasonably easy to hit unless they hit the fuel injectors. Hitting moving infantry from a tower would be harder as well. That would just make the FG suck. Remember it is a handheld Railgun. Just like the sniper rifle except larger. It doesn't fire an actual projectile. Would you want this done to your rail turrets? What about the Railgun Installations? Sniper Rifles? What about the Caldari Rail Rifle? Should these weapons also have a slower traveling "projectile", of course not.
...Railgun... Definition: Electromagnetic Projectile Launcher. Meaning: It has a projectile (aka an object it launches)
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:08:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Just witness a 50/6 Team Player guy with a forge gun in a domination. It cant be just skill, he camped on top of one of the 6 huge towers.
Say what you will but a score like that cant be only skills. Lets just say that in a sense I was happy he was on my side, but its a serious WTF moment...
Most forge gun I see now are campers making huge amount of kills, is that the real intended behaviour with this weapon ? If only one thing was changed on the FG I'd have it be projectile speed. As it stands now, reticule turns red and they're dead. There has to be a draw back for such a relatively small weapon putting out that much power and maintaining said power over such a distance and that would be how fast you can send the projectile at the target. Not even plasma cannon slow but someplace between the PC speed and the current speed. Would take more skill to hit a DS but a tank would still be reasonably easy to hit unless they hit the fuel injectors. Hitting moving infantry from a tower would be harder as well. That would just make the FG suck. Remember it is a handheld Railgun. Just like the sniper rifle except larger. It doesn't fire an actual projectile. Would you want this done to your rail turrets? What about the Railgun Installations? Sniper Rifles? What about the Caldari Rail Rifle? Should these weapons also have a slower traveling "projectile", of course not. ...Railgun... Definition: Electromagnetic Projectile Launcher. Meaning: It has a projectile (aka an object it launches)
LOL thank you for pointing that typo out! Going to correct it right now!
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:12:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Just witness a 50/6 Team Player guy with a forge gun in a domination. It cant be just skill, he camped on top of one of the 6 huge towers.
Say what you will but a score like that cant be only skills. Lets just say that in a sense I was happy he was on my side, but its a serious WTF moment...
Most forge gun I see now are campers making huge amount of kills, is that the real intended behaviour with this weapon ? Was he the Squad leader calling in Orbital Strikes? I was in a match earlier today using my HMG. I was also squad leader, and called in 2 Orbital Strikes. I went 41/10 about 15 were OS kills. Are you going to try to tell me that the HMG is OP now? Not even one orbital was fired in that game on either side.
A forger in a high tower over alpha in a pub match is possible but not often. Again this is a pub match most likely with no communication or coordination whatsoever on the opposing team. This does not equate to the forge gun as OP. I've played in a pub match of domination where a mass driver player got 50/1 assaulting. He wasn't always on high ground and he was assaulting that many kills. Tell me what's wrong with that picture? And don't forget. Most good proto snipers can average 20/0 on almost any map. Does that mean they are better at killing? Does it need a nerf?
A pub match with no com's or coordination can equate to losing when one side has at least one full squad of team players. All that losing team needed was one good sniper and his 50/6 would've been non existent. Or at least a lot lower than that. Cause his team would've been busy hunting down that sniper. |
Muud Kipz
Elevated Technologies
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:50:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:TunRa wrote:Problem is you can't counter them when they are 50 stories above your head and all you have is a militia sniper rifle. There is more than one tower or other high altitude vantage point in every map so get up there, and yes you can take out a proto heavy with a MLT sniper rifle because I have done it.
QFT. It's not that f--king hard to snipe down someone who's on top of the towers from the ground, just use half-decent counter-sniping tactics (i.e. sit somewhere not obvious) and get some horizontal distance on them (to make it harder for them to get out of your line of fire).
Even easier, just redline MLT dropship yourself to the top of your MCC with a sniper rifle. No one looks up there any more. The towers become easy prey then, just like the ground below the towers is to the towers.
The heavy's miserable shield recharge rate/delay and total lack of cover from similar/greater altitudes means that if you can't drop a tower heavy eventually, you probably should go back to academy and practice aiming. Or just keep trying, since you can.
If you've gone proto, take the charge SR and use the following trick: Fire one minimally-charged shot. It won't hurt very much and the heavy will think it's just some MLT crap and keep shooting. Follow up with a charged HS for the easy kill. It's all too tempting to do these hits in the opposite order, but that's much less likely to result in a kill.
Either way, ALL OF YOU have an easy way to handle any rooftop FGer, and it requires only one person w/ a 60k dropship and a militia fit. The best part is, most people aren't very bright and will just keep spawning on that rooftop, so often you can just sit and spend half the match locking down some FG and his logi sniper squadmates. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:54:00 -
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Its not.
But there's a Street Fighter reference, so I approve.
Now we can all rest easy knowing that I approve. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:41:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:You sound a lot like the old TAR users saying the gun was fine.
Assault Forge Gun makes all your arguments invalid. I like the bad at CQC one, lol. The fast charge time is almost like using a mass driver. Spam those shots and I have the "balls" to tell you that this thing is better at CQC than the HMG.
Heavy dropsuit IS the hardest suit to kill at a distance, snipers don't do **** to them, that's why tower guy stays there whole match.
Stop saying Forge Gun is fine ffs, it's not.
-XOXO Have you even tried to use a FG in CQC? One Geck can kill a Heavy before he can charge the Assault FG 2 times. OMG that FG is so OP in CQC! Like using a Mass Driver? LMMFAO yea right! the Mass drive can out DPS a FG in splash damage twice over! Snipers own heavies all day long. We have to be by far the easiest suit to get a headshot on! Snipers are my worst enemy! Any halfway decent sniper can rip through my Shields and at least 1/4 of my armor with one shot. Leaving the AR Jackals my bones to pick the meat off of! Do you even dust bruh?
A GEK can kill everything dude, lol.
If snipers are your worst enemies then YOU are doing it wrong.
-XOXO
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:44:00 -
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Reasons why the forge guns are NOT overpowered.
SURT GODS END.
*He's not kidding. you should see how many he's killed. * |
noobsniper the 2nd
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:53:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:To use a FG you must use a Heavy Dropsuit. The Heavy Dropsuit is by far the Easiest dropsuit to counter in the game because of our very large hitbox and very slow Movement/Sprint Speed.
FG (and other) Heavies require intensive squad support in the form of nanohives, armor repair, and nanite injectors in order to be mildly effective in any battle situation.
Once in CQC the FG is useless. This limits the Heavy to a side arm, making him extremely vulnerable to enemy attack.
The Tower Forge Gunner complaint is the most common. People complain because "they are on a high tower and don't render" Seriously guys how many towers exist in this game that are only accessible with dropships? It is not that difficult to figure out where their perch is. Once located it is not difficult to use some elementary squad coordination to take them out.
Solo Tower FG heavies can easily be countered by a Medium or Light Suit team of two. One with an active scanner and shotgun or AR or nearly any other Handheld light weapon in the game another with a sniper rifle or *gasp* Heavy with a FG. If the Heavy is on a tower with no ladder Squad Coordination can be used to easily locate the Heavy for snipers to focus fire and nullify the threat. A dropship should be in position at flight ceiling over the tower to then land on the tower and remove any uplinks or nanohives. Even the Tac AR can easily take out a Tower FG Heavy from the ground.
Feel free to add more reasons why the FG is not Overpowered. Provided you can get up there with a dropship.....oh wait you have a 2 hit instapop-dropship gun with range that is "LOLthewholemap" i one shot em : p |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:57:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:You sound a lot like the old TAR users saying the gun was fine.
Assault Forge Gun makes all your arguments invalid. I like the bad at CQC one, lol. The fast charge time is almost like using a mass driver. Spam those shots and I have the "balls" to tell you that this thing is better at CQC than the HMG.
Heavy dropsuit IS the hardest suit to kill at a distance, snipers don't do **** to them, that's why tower guy stays there whole match.
Stop saying Forge Gun is fine ffs, it's not.
-XOXO Have you even tried to use a FG in CQC? One Geck can kill a Heavy before he can charge the Assault FG 2 times. OMG that FG is so OP in CQC! Like using a Mass Driver? LMMFAO yea right! the Mass drive can out DPS a FG in splash damage twice over! Snipers own heavies all day long. We have to be by far the easiest suit to get a headshot on! Snipers are my worst enemy! Any halfway decent sniper can rip through my Shields and at least 1/4 of my armor with one shot. Leaving the AR Jackals my bones to pick the meat off of! Do you even dust bruh? A GEK can kill everything dude, lol. If snipers are your worst enemies then YOU are doing it wrong. -XOXO Nah, snipers seem to find me no matter where I am on the map. I could be inside a bunker and get hit by snipers.
Seriously though, I do generally try to avoid wide open spaces.
I would rather be n a match with a Forge Gunner on top of every tower than a sniper on top of every tower. |
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